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Should pupils be punished for incorrect uniform?

Tuesday September 13 2016

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THOUSANDS of school children across the country have been sent home this week, as teachers crack down on incorrect uniform.

What do you think? Should pupils be penalised for incorrect uniform? Has this ever happened to you or your children?

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Reply Posted by Mr Reality Check on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 16:24
I haven't responded to anything in a while due to editorial censorship (WAB) but to answer this simple question - No, their parents should be stripped on the applicable costs from their benefit payments to cover the cost of dressing their children correctly for school, the School should then issue the child with the correct uniform.

The parents should then be beasted into understanding why uniforms are required and that this is to build a strong foundation for the childs progression into self dependency and the level of conformity required to function effectively in todays society; if you have a job that requires a uniform (including PPE) and you chose not to wear it (and sending your child to school in anything other than uniform is a choice - before anyone starts banging on about how hard life is) - you will get fired and the upshot is - it will cost you financially. Stop buying cigarettes/alcohol/drugs - put your kids 1st.

Reply Posted by Rainman on Saturday September 17 2016 at 14:47
I take it you're posting this from North Korea !

Reply Posted by thegrimreaper on Wednesday November 9 2016 at 11:51
well said sir.

Reply Posted by mr s on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 17:30
Mr reality check must not have kids in school for the full school uniform it cost me over £300 for 2 and I,am not on the social don't smoke then on top of the uniforms it costs me £50 a week to send them to school so Mr. Reality check so don't tide everyone as deadbeats.

Reply Posted by RJW on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 13:49

Reply Posted by Hmm on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 13:59
Either it's a private school or lying

Reply Posted by thegrimreaper on Wednesday November 9 2016 at 11:52
obviously shopping at Harrods !!

Reply Posted by Ada on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 18:14
Well said mr reality check. BUT, if its( for example) black shoes, does it realy matter about the style?? A black shoe is a black shoe, as long as they are not 5inch heels?!. School uniform makes every one the same? It seperates the have and have nots?

Reply Posted by mr s on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 18:27
Ada are u sharing the same bed as mr reality check well what about socks my lad got sent home because is said nike at the top.

Reply Posted by mrs l on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 18:50
If the school has a uniform then parents have got to be prepared to stick to the rules and lead by example. If a child sees you bending the rules, they will think they can do the same then how can you expect them to grow up to be responsible adults.

Reply Posted by rjw on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 13:50
show of wearing designer sock ridiculous

Reply Posted by Cheryl on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 17:09
mr s .. why not STFU .. you just don't get it do you ..

Reply Posted by the grimreaper on Wednesday November 9 2016 at 11:53
Then you are a fool sir for buying them

Reply Posted by Angry mum on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 19:02
If all children have to wear a uniform so should the teachers. Iv seen the male teachers wear tight fitting trousers so u can see every bulge and the female teachers with skirts that doesn't leave much to the imagination, i think its bang out ta order that the teachers get away with this yet our kids get send home for the wrong style black shoe or the wrong style coat

Reply Posted by Annie on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 13:40
'Angry mum'....you cannot seriously believe that teachers should wear a uniform? There is a difference between adults and children - which includes parents and children, as well as teachers and children. ALL teachers have been through school, mostly wearing a uniform, they have learned structure, discipline, self discipline and have gone on to 4 years further study. A lot do not get through their teaching practices as it is relentless and they have to 100% accept the rules of the schools they are training in, without arguing. If you are a parent of a child in school, you should sort your child out and not worry about teachers' tight trousers.

Reply Posted by Maz on Thursday September 15 2016 at 20:11
I agree completely with you on that one!!! Make up and dressy jewellery for female teachers yet students must conform to one set of rules.I agree with uniforms but why can't the children get a warning letter or something. Not sent home. Most parents who are working then expected to pick kids up for minor infringements. Yet if the parent took their child out of school with no good reason, they get a fine!!!

Reply Posted by Amy on Friday September 16 2016 at 14:20
Maz, I disagree with some of your points. School rules are for children - just like in society they can't buy alcohol or have sex, because they are minors. It IS one set of rules for the children, in a school. Female teachers, professional women, should wear make up and jewellery if that's what they want. When I was at school I admired the teachers who were clever, brilliant teachers, dressed smart, had nice make up, hair, jewellery and they were my role models. The only teachers I have ever known who wear more or less the same as their students ( trackie bottoms, polo shirt, hair scraped back, no jewellery) work in a young offenders institution.

Reply Posted by Angry parent on Friday September 16 2016 at 18:58
Angry mum
You have got too much time on your hands if you are fantasising about male teachers in tight trousers and female teachers whose skirts don't leave much to the imagination, whatever that means. If you are a mum, sort your kids and their uniform out and stop looking for excuses. There are school rules for children and a code of conduct for teachers.

Reply Posted by Maz on Friday September 16 2016 at 19:40
Yes at young offenders, and also jails. But have you considered all military institutions around the world. Uniforms apply to all levels.

Reply Posted by None conformist on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 19:29
Totally agree angry mum

Reply Posted by Jan on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 20:36
The secondary school I retired from has a staff dress code. I know of a young lady member of staff who was sent home to change. Shan't say which school as there's always someone who knows someone who can definitely say differently lol.

Reply Posted by Shirley on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 21:43
Has a teaching assistant uniform does not affect there teaching ability

Reply Posted by John on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 13:47
Think that should be 'As a Teaching Assistant' and 'their teaching ability'. Hope you're not assisting in English.

Reply Posted by Dave G on Monday September 19 2016 at 07:34
Steady on John .. Didn't you know that you aren't allowed to correct spelling or grammar on this forum .. they'll start crying ..

Reply Posted by Dave G on Monday September 19 2016 at 07:35
Remember it's " Wearebackward " not WeareBarnsley ..

Reply Posted by Julie on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 22:14
Rubbish saying that teachers should wear uniform.

Teachers do not truant
Teachers do not need to be identifiable for safe guarding issues

How about teaching your children respect for authority?

Not all rules apply to everyone. That simple. These apply to the child. If you don't like it home educate.

But no you keep ndermining teachers and then moaning when your brat has no boundaries and demand the teachers do something.

Reply Posted by max on Tuesday September 13 2016 at 22:29
Personally I am not for, or against a uniform in schools. I am all for teaching, learning...education. What I am against is the suits and tie that pupils from as young as 4 are forced to wear. A child is at school to learn,to learn from fun or what ever.. to be educated.... not judged on how they dress. We have the media to thank for that, especially for girls. So as far as a uniform goes, why does it have to be an uncomfortable suit, with a tie? Why not, for example, jeans of a certain, agreed type, a t-shirt with the school logo, and maybe something comfortable like a baseball jacket? That's a uniform? right? Our kids are sat in school for the best part of a day, would we prefer them to feel comfortable,to be able to concentrate on their learning, or distracted by their tie or blazer because they are too warm or irritated? I read a story that a girl got turned away from school because she had a brown stitch in her black shoes. Really? How is the colour of the stitch going to affect her learning? Schools, especially academy's are getting all too cocky about how a student looks, rather than how they grow in education. This is not right. Yes I realis there are some 'difficult' students out there, and some of them play on the schools rules, but the staff KNOW who they are, so why punish everyone for the few idiots? By all means have guidelines, have a SENSIBLE uniform policy.... But first n foremost is education... be it in shorts or a shirt n tie.... Don't judge what we wear, judge on how we are taught, and learn!!

Reply Posted by CB on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 02:37
This happened to my daughter a few years ago. She ripped her school trousers and we could only get black ones at short notice. Next day she was sent home from school for not having GREY trousers.
Surely the education of the child is far more important than the colour of their trousers.

Reply Posted by Bek on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 07:38
Message for Shirley
Your a teaching assistant ??You have used HAS at the beginning of your sentence it should be AS ..Think you need lessons.

Reply Posted by Polly on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 11:38
Bek I think you will find it should be you're not your!

Reply Posted by dean on Thursday September 15 2016 at 12:37
Wrong Polly... You're is you are... Your is ownership, she was speaking about ownership.

Maybe be sure of what you are saying before you make yourself look silly.

Reply Posted by Aaargh!! on Friday September 16 2016 at 09:21
Bek's post was saying (questioning, really) 'You are a teaching assistant??' So of course it should be 'you're.'
You're on dodgy ground if you don't know your grammar rules.

Reply Posted by Rainman on Saturday September 17 2016 at 14:58
Very funny and so so right.

Reply Posted by Carrie on Friday November 18 2016 at 19:24
Sorry Dean but you are or you're wrong. Polly is right.

You are a teaching assistant is you're a teaching assistant not your a teaching assistant. Your is ownership so how do you own a teaching assistant, you own for example a book, which would be your book.

Maybe YOU should be sure of what you are saying before making yourself look silly by contradicting someone who is right........

Reply Posted by Bek on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 07:40
Also for Shirley it should be their and not there !

Reply Posted by Big T on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 08:37
I see many arguments about how much it costs to buy the uniform and this is being thrown around as an excuse.
Fact of the matter is, if you cannot afford to get the essentials for your children, and school uniform is classed as essential, then you cannot afford to have kids and should not have had them.

You had to wear a uniform at school, I had to wear one. Everyone had to wear one. You know the drill, it is there for a reason.

If kids go to school dressed how they please, then they will rock up to work the same and end up getting fired and then the parent will no doubt bad mouth the employer and the cycle continues.

Face your responsibilities, you brought a child into this world, now book up your ideas and look after it responsibly.

Reply Posted by Annie on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 12:36
@Big T
Good point about the affordability of having kids, I agree!
School uniform costs money, so does any item of clothing. Someone on here, I think, complained there was a problem because their child had Nike ticks on his socks....I am sure items with logos cost more than plain socks from Asda. All schools send home letters about uniform and have websites, there is no excuse for sending a child in wearing the wrong items, even if it's only slightly wrong eg black suede instead of black leather. Just get the right uniform and stop all the moaning! As the child who is encouraged to bend the rules a bit with the wrong socks or shoes is also the child who bends the classroom rules 'a bit' by the low key disruption. We've all been there, we've all been to school, classrooms where kids didn't follow the rules were not the best. Teachers who had high standards succeeded every time.

Reply Posted by thegrimreaper on Wednesday November 9 2016 at 11:55
The reaper agrees with Big t

Reply Posted by over 50 cudworth on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 09:06
School uniform is not a new thing. I remember pupils being sent home and expelled (repeat offenders) in the early 1970s when i was in school. Even in those days branded items ie nike adidas etc were banned in school.

Reply Posted by Gavelar on Wednesday September 14 2016 at 12:09
When are people going to get their heads around the fact that it isn't about the uniform.

It's about conforming to a set of ideals and rules in order to move the school forward?

Anyone that has been in the milatary knows that half the daft stuff they get drilled isn't about the drill itself it's about building efficiency on a set of ground rules. you build a solid foundation and the rest follows.

If you can;t get the simple stuff right and rebel against the system before you even get in the classroom, how are you gonna get kids to concentrate through lessons, do their homework, behave properly and respectfully?

The kids at eton look like a right set of dumplings and their parents pay for the privileged but who get the better results and jobs in the long run?

My kids wear the uniform, no questions and If I ever decide I don't like it I'm sure I'll be welcome to choose another school.

Reply Posted by Marky on Thursday September 15 2016 at 09:44
I wonder how many kids purposely and unknown to parents, simply wear things they shouldn't just so they can be sent home and don't need to go to school...

Its a stupid rule, there should be some flexibility where sensible.

Reply Posted by Annie on Thursday September 15 2016 at 12:06
@ Marky
You are right about kids who do stuff unknown to their parents, we've all done it, but I got into such trouble with my parents it wasn't worth repeating it more than a handful of times. No reason to change the rules though! Kids will always push the boundaries, might as well have strict rules and parents help to stick to them.

Reply Posted by kendray sue on Thursday September 15 2016 at 21:29
what a sad load of losers on here airing their stupid unwanted comments.oh maybe they are all just attention seekers trying to sound more important than they really are.sad losers

Reply Posted by ? on Friday September 16 2016 at 09:25
Err, Kendray sue, I think WAB debate is for people to air their views on topics.

Reply Posted by thegrimreaper on Friday September 16 2016 at 10:13
Erm , so what are you doing ??? Welcome sad loser kendray sue !

Reply Posted by thegrimreaper on Thursday November 17 2016 at 16:28
Kendray is bursting at the seams villains and scoundrels is it not ?

Reply Posted by New poster on Saturday September 17 2016 at 16:33
Should pupils be punished for incorrect uniform?
Well getting sent home is not a punishment as most children prefer this.
But if it's parents being inconvenienced eg they have to pick children up then go and get the correct uniform, it is a good idea. As it is their responsibility in the first place.
There is always a uniform list for schools, it is not that hard to follow unless parents can't read but they can get help. Plain black shoes means shoes not trainers or boots and plain black means no other colours etc
I don't understand why people think school rules are there to be broken. I mean the adults, not the children, who follow by example. Don't take your children to the school if you don't want to follow the rules. Educate them at home and they can wear what they like.

Reply Posted by Samantha on Sunday September 18 2016 at 12:15
I think it not right everyone should get the chance to learn right uniform or not

Reply Posted by Parent on Thursday September 29 2016 at 17:50
I think children and parents should be sanctioned. Our son has been at secondary for a month now, he has the right uniform. It's not impossible to get it. He tells us how much time is spent on the ones who are not dressed properly and also a lot of these children generally mess about. It all wastes time for the ones who want to follow the rules and to learn.

Reply Posted by mary on Sunday September 18 2016 at 20:25
I have been reading through the comments and find everyone thinks they know the answer. The keys words are "your opinion" therefore others should not respond back to other opinions but just say their own.
My opinion is that my mum wasn't that rich so sending us four kids to school in uniform was literally to save money instead of spoiling our good clothes. We also used a thrift shop for buying cheaper uniforms as children had grown out of them,

Reply Posted by Annie on Monday September 19 2016 at 12:04
People will exchange their views though and will respond to other people, some will change their opinion but most probably not. So people will agree and disagree.
In this case I agree with you, it is a money saver to buy school uniforms that are worn 5 days a week, get washed repeatedly and start again, yes you can buy from charity shops but cheap from supermarkets too. Shoes are a different matter, in my opinion, it is horrible for comfort to be a child wearing bad fitting shoes especially second hand. My own mother tried to make sure we had decent shoes if she could afford it and the same with me and my 2 sons ( adults now. ) trainers were always comfortable but not good for their feet when they were growing and against school rules, always. If somebody could sell cheap school shoes that are properly fitted in areas where money is tight, that would be a good thing.

Reply Posted by Faye on Monday September 19 2016 at 10:16
Of course students should be sanctioned for wearing incorrect uniform. If it is a school rule it should be followed. Parents should not be encouraging their children to break school rules. If, as a parent, you don't like the rules at the school of your choosing then you need to choose another school. Parents should be working in partnership with schools not working against them. Parents protesting and starting petitions? Do they really think a school will change policy because a handful of parents don't like that their children are unable to wear skinny trousers and logo socks?

Reply Posted by Jo on Friday November 18 2016 at 19:40
I think it's unfair when you have to get the uniform from one online shop that costs a fortune though. Paying more than ten pounds for a pack of two school shirts with the logo on the sleeve that you never see because they are not allowed to remove their blazer is stupid when they are so cheap in supermarkets and this also goes for the trousers that are so expensive as they have to have to logo on them. Also, as you can only buy online you run the risk of ordering the wrong sizes which means paying for delivery, then return delivery and then delivery again.

A lot of parents can only afford one pack of shirts and one pair of trousers whereas if you were allowed to buy these elsewhere you could have more items that will look newer and smarter for longer than wearing the same everyday. I used to replace supermarket shirts every term as they were so cheap but not now and towards the end of the school year you see most of the pupils with cat died trousers because they've had them all year.
I agree with buying the correct school blazer and tie (still expensive though) but I think they could relax the rules for the rest.

The other annoying thing that has happened to my son more than once is when someone steals your tie because they've lost theirs and he gets detention for not having his tie on and us parents have to keep paying five pounds for new ones.

Reply Posted by D on Tuesday November 1 2016 at 22:21
It's pretty simple, just abide by the rules and accept authority.

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