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Pre-Paid Benefit Card Plan Revealed

Wednesday October 1 2014

BENEFITS could to be paid onto smart cards - to stop claimants wasting taxpayers' money on alcohol or gambling.

Iain Duncan Smith announced the first trial of pre-paid cards, which would restrict where the jobless or poor can spend their money.

The work and pensions secretary said he was increasingly concerned about the way benefits could be used to fuel addictions, instead of putting people on the road to work.

He told the Conservative Party conference in Birmingham: "I can announce that I am testing pre-paid cards, onto which we will make benefit payments, so that the money they receive is spent on the needs of the family."

What do you think to this? Are you in favour? Have your say below.

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Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 11:21
Ooh this debate will go up like a Californian Forest Fire.

Lets play benefit bashing bingo WAB. Let me just get my dabber.

Bash benefit claimants - YES
Everybody on the dole smokes and drinks - YES
Every unemployed person is lazy - YES
Every unemployed person has no intention of finding a job - YES


(Sits back and waits for uneducated comments)

Reply Posted by sweet on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:32
and what about the people who had to pack up work to care for disabled people not every one on benifits are lazy ... whilst carers save the council and nhs millions of pounds ...

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:59
You forgot the following Kilkenny:

All unemployed people have 50 Inch Flat Screen TV'S
All unemployed people have the full SKY TV package
All unemployed people walk round in "Designer" clothes
All unemployed people drive BMW's
All unemployed people go out on the lash every afternoon and night

Of course I am taking the P*ss, but read any right wing rag (especially the Daily Fail) and everything I have put above is the GOSPEL TRUTH!

Oh I do wonder how those people back in Eastern Europe are now going to be able to claim Child Benefits, i wonder if the lovely Tories will send them a pre payment card so they can buy their Chorizo in Lodz or Gdansk etc etc......

Reply Posted by jan on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:47
what about people like me who cant work, the after effects of surgery, if I had the choice id rather be back working like I used to do, I worked and brought 2 kids up at same time... everyone gets labelled the same.... lazy, drug taking etcetc..... make my problems better with ur miracle wand, n il go back to work

Reply Posted by Michael on Thursday October 9 2014 at 15:33
I have a first class honours degree, finished my 23 years of Schooling and in my second year in my first "proper" job (not that I hadnt worked from being 16 through my education) I got terminal cancer, I am now forced to live on benefits, and am no longer able to work due to medical reasons. I have a big telly, and will soon be getting my license back after 2 years medical ban and will be getting a BMW - Poor me, I think I earned it just a bit - dont you?

Reply Posted by kkkk on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:05
Not everyone who is unemployed lazy nor have they no intentions of finding a job!!!

Reply Posted by Dave on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:08
Struggling to see a downside to this at all.

Reply Posted by Tom on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:18
Bread 50p cash from the local small business owner.
Or £2 card credit from the large multinational corporation you are forced to spend your money with.

EBT is good for you, if people are forced to purchase your products. It isn't much good for anybody else. Especially not the taxpayer who has to pay more to force people to spend money in a certain way.

Reply Posted by Dave on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:09
Struggling to see a downside to this at all.

Reply Posted by tracy on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:11
how are ppl going to use this card .so they will not have access to any money ?where do they go to shop ?how will they pay bus fare ? will it be like a credit card ?i am not on benefits just curious

Reply Posted by paul on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:13
What a crock of ****, not everyone on JSA are lazy, some just simply cannot get settled in the right job or need abit of a boost to get out and get their foot on door. Its like saying every guy who eats loads of food is fat, when clearly there not. Stop labelling everyone with same paintbrush. Not a good idea for the simple fact, who spends 114 pound every 2 week on jobs? what could you possibly do to spend that looking for a job?

Reply Posted by kc on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:17
This is a great idea with no downside from what I can see
Those that are genuinely in need of benefits will not be effected as they can still use the benefits to buy what is genuinely needed ie food, bills etc and the minority that abuse the system will no longer be able to spend on anything but that which the benefits are intended in the first place. Win win!
Benefits are not an entitlement, they are an aid, and I agree that they should be there. To be told how to spend benefits should not be an issue as if you genuinely need the money to survive, it should be no great surprise that the intention for the spend of said benefits is the obvious ie food and clothes etc.
Fantastic idea that ensures those that need the genuine help get it!

Reply Posted by Brian on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 17:32
At last, a sensible posting

Reply Posted by jan on Thursday October 9 2014 at 15:30
I agree with kc. I thought this debate was about how benifits are paid, not about who claims and why.

Reply Posted by Becki on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:21
Stopping an addict from using their benefits to buy their addiction isn't going to stop their addiction, I'm not saying it's right that benefits are spent on drugs/alcohol/gambling.. The addict will always find a way to their addiction, which would probably be through illegal activity, causing crime rates to rise...

Reply Posted by NonnyRat on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:24
Perhaps Iain Duncan Smith can place all these people in concentration camps where they can work for their benefits. All people who are in benefits must be a slacker in HIS view. Perhaps he can tag them all... Nazi's are alive and well and surprisingly, some of them at in Westminster... This is the most stupidiest thing Iain Duncan Smith has come out with - who advises him? The Goons?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:13
The Nazi's forced Jews to wear yellow stars so that they could be easily identified, and subjected to horrific abuse, in the streets, in the shops, In work, at home and in school....

The Tories plan to introduce Pre- Paid Benefit Cards, so that the poor, sick, disabled and Working Poor can be easily identified, and subjected to horrific abuse, in the streets, in the shops, at work, in school and at home.

The Tories, Creating "CLASS WAR" Since they were NOT elected.

Reply Posted by Tom on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:21
Classwar is being waged upon the poor by the rich, and Classwar the political party has returned to the UK to fight elections, although don't expect to see it mentioned by name in any MSM reporting.

Reply Posted by sid on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:37
I thought along those lines @Steveo when the shops for people on benefits were brought in. Its making a new lower class. People on benefits will soon be forced to shop in "thier own " shops as they will be the only one taking the benefits cards. Imagine the paperwork etc this will cause in supermarkets, they wont want the hassle of a new scheme,especially if the spending is low. Its getting out of hand. Very soon it will be special buses for people on benefits as the bus companys wont want the hassle either. This is a step too far, and I can see it escalating to segregation of those claiming. Disgusting

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 16:17
The Tories are only interested in their Rich chums and keeping their vast wealth which was inherited from their forefathers from the systematic destruction of the working classes Sid.
Everyone at some time will HAVE to claim benefits of some sort!
This Tory "policy" is the final nail in the coffin for them, this latest Nazi-esque "stunt" is the death knell for them and their Lib Dum conspirators.

Reply Posted by Heather on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:31
If its just to stop addicts then whats to stop them buying food etc for someone else who then buys them the alcohol or gives them money? They just don't think these things through. How about spending more money on getting our society more healthy in mind and body and teaching compassion to those who think they know it all!

Reply Posted by Katie on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 12:49
Human rights? You're on benefits for whatever reason so therefore you can only shop in this shop n buy these items? Wtf??

Reply Posted by just me on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:02
Why do folk wi jobs think they are better than those without ? Nobody has the right to say what we do or don't spend our money on utterly ridiculous idea thought up by people who dunt have to suffer the consequences of the aftermath

Reply Posted by Tony on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 17:39
Quite simply because we are contributing financially to society. You appear to be scrounging and expecting me and other working people to pay for your lifestyle. Clearly you can spend your money on anything that you want to, but you should only be allowed to spend taxpayers money on essentials. If the unemployed are not happy......... they could always get a job.

Reply Posted by Jimmy on Thursday October 2 2014 at 13:40
Come of it! Most people who live in Barnsley are working class low paid people. There is obviously a problem with unemployment and fair wages in this town and 70% of the unemployed are only unemployed while they find another job.

So many people work in the construction and manual labour industry in BArnsley which is notoriously volatile in times of economic downturn -on and off work.

Those who do have jobs tend to get working tax credits and housing allowance anyway (BENEFITS) to subsidies the poverty wages and extortionate rent.

You turn against someone who is SLIGHTLY poorer than you, because it makes you feel superior, but your still not a tory, your still low paid common scum to them!!!! There still mugging you blind and you suck ther c*ck and turn against your own people as long as it makes you feel part of the club. Meanwhile government is cutting everything from our town, lowering our wages, getting rid of our contractual benefits, eroding our personal freedoms and sucking the life out of barnsley to p*ss away in london - But hey this guy gets £60 a week and it needs to be on an expensive card you can only spend in tescos!

Reply Posted by ... on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:06
I don't think that anyone feels that they are better than anyone else, however, when it is tax payers money that pays for said benefits why shouldn't this be regulated in some way.
The problem is that it is seen as free money and it is not, it is a benefit, and benefits have restrictions in all walks of life whether it be a benefit offered as part of a job such as a pension payment or a benefit offered to those seeking help such as aids in buying your weekly shop!

Reply Posted by .... on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:08
I don' think that anyone else feels that they are any better than the next person, however, when it is tax payers money that fund the payments, why shouldn't their be restrictions?
I think the problem is that the benefits are seen as free money, they are not, they are benefits, and benefits in all walks of life come with restrictions attached, whether they be the benefits offered as part of a job package such as pensions, or benefits offered to those that need help!

Reply Posted by sweet on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:09
im all for it ... but how they gunna controll it when kids needs bus fairs to school money for school day trips and are they gunna control it so that they can only shop for food at expensive supermarkets... when they can get cheaper food from butchers ..the list could go on ... i dont think that it will work and people will end up worse off...

Reply Posted by sweet on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:09
im all for it ... but how they gunna controll it when kids needs bus fairs to school money for school day trips and are they gunna control it so that they can only shop for food at expensive supermarkets... when they can get cheaper food from butchers ..the list could go on ... i dont think that it will work and people will end up worse off...

Reply Posted by nikki on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:16
How can ya open ya mouth about ppl on dole we might have a good reason to be on it and wtf wiv this card how are ppl ment to pay bills with this card

Reply Posted by sweet on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:18
anyone can be on dole at anytime only takes people to lose there job but personally cant see how this is gunna work

Reply Posted by sweet on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:18
anyone can be on dole at anytime only takes people to lose there job but personally cant see how this is gunna work

Reply Posted by baz on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:22
Brilliant idea as long as those on benefits are not loosing cash and can pay their bills and put food on the table then how can any one argue. Lets face it if you fall on hard times you dont need beer or cigs or drugs to live and as such should be a luxury . My neighbours for example most days and nights in summer are sat out with beers day and night and can be seen smoking all the time some even get drugs delivered every friday and not to mention they all have sky tv . they are getting child benefits lets face it kids are getting no benefit of money that is blown on cigs booze and drugs.

Reply Posted by Jimmy on Thursday October 2 2014 at 13:51
Why not read the actual stats on unemployment and welfare claimants instead of judging everyone on your neighbour. The average amount of time people claim the dole is three months and only 20% of people claim it for longer than that - why should the majority of hard working people who have fallen on hard times be hit hard "because of your neighbour". Then what about those on tax credits? Those that work hard everyday but are still receiving benefits. Why should they be told what they can and can't buy. WHy is it the governments job, period, to tell anyone what they can and can't buy, they should keep there corrupt greedy noses out our business. Where is the card for MP's expenses? And why is this being presented as a huge issue. The card system itself will cost more than it will save... will ruin our local businesses and stagnate out localised economy. How much money is lost from the around 5% of fraudulently claimed benefits? Nothing compared to the amount lost subsiding extortionat rent, poverty wages and corrupt financial system. So stupid how people are turning on those SLIGHTLY poorer than yourselves than those who are really robbing us blind and have had a VISIBLE impact on our town.

Reply Posted by sweet on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:28
i wonder if this going to be rolled out for carers... as us carers have to pack up work and care .... whilst we save the nhs millions in pounds

Reply Posted by Tom on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:32
EBT cards are a failure. (Electronic Benefit Transfer cards - as they are known in America). We already have them over here, they are called Azure cards and they are issued to refugees. Some charities will trade Azure card balances for cash.

It might sound like a good idea, for those who seek to control the behaviour of others in a way they see fit. But it is not once you start to think it through.

There are many pitfalls to the EBT cards.

1. Some shops accept them and let them be used to purchase drugs and alcohol.
2. People can buy and then trade goods for cash,often at a loss. Then they can purchase whatever they want.
3. People can end up resorting to crime to feed an addiction, when they were previously managing.

4. People are ENTITLED to social security a.k.a. benefits, especially when they pay tax in many different ways and NATIONAL INSURANCE at a rate of 12p in the pound upon earned income for actually working via the PAYE system. NI was just 4p in the £1 when it first came in. It is basically an income tax, and income tax was supposed to be temporary in the first place, when they brought it in a century ago to fund WWI.

5. Unfair advantages are given to business, who accept EBT and can process it, this in turn distorts the market massively. It hinders small business and new business and reinforces the power of the biggest corporations.

6. It is expensive to administer, is an added level of bureaucracy and causes unforseen problems which then impact people's lives adversely and in turn put pressure on the public purse and charities via NHS, foodbanks etc.

7. It is part of a slippery slope to serfdom and is an attack upon freedom and choice of citizens. It is something you would expect in North Korea, The state dictating what you buy and where from. - just look at the problems housing benefit cause - merely distorting the market, putting upward pressure on prices and reinforcing inequality,whilst a few get rich at the expense of many.

What benefits would it apply to? Surely it should apply to 'tax-credits' and pensions. Winter fuel allowance etc. (Currently we pay winter fuel allowance to pensioners who have emigrated to sunny countries like Spain).
If it applies to benefits, then surely public sector staff, and those in the private sector who receive public cash should also be paid their money onto EBT cards, rather than given cash.

8. What happens when they system fails, due to technical errors, powercuts etc.

9. This is something you would expect from a fiercely totalitarian fascist party. Which I suppose is true of all of the main 4 parties nowadays, but it shouldn't be.

We need to get rid of means tests, and give people more freedom. We should be taxing land and taxing money and introducing an universal basic income. Instead we have more and more state control. Enforced serfdom in a feudal society, which is good for nobody in the long run. Collapse of our society is not long off. Time to get out of Sterling when measures like this are being touted.

Reply Posted by T on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:13
Very detailed and well put together. However 'introducing an universal basic income.' Sounds Communist. And well communism has never really worked as it? Also on that note for example, why should a doctor have the same wage as a cleaner when they have trained in medicine for the best part of 7 years and earned their right to a higher wage? And why on earth would we leave the pound sterling? Is the euro any better? No. It is centrally controlled by politicians an addition 1000 miles away.

Reply Posted by Tom on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:08
UBI is not communist, it is something admired by people from a wide variety of the political spectrum and known under a few different names - citizens income/ negative income tax. It is merely is a way of setting a guaranteed minimum income so that absolute poverty is abolished. It allows for most means tested benefits to be abolished and all the bureaucracy that goes with them.

I agree that communism doesn't work, at least, what has been known as communism. Although I'm pretty sure communism is what Marx expected to result from capitalism over time, if we had a freemarket capitalist society envisaged by Adam Smith with a land value tax, as profits and wages would be driven down by competition over time with inequality decreasing accordingly, to the point that we all become equal when everything is running at it's most efficient due to competition in a perfect freemarket.

UBI doesn't affect wages directly (indirectly it increases them). A doctor would still be paid more than a cleaner. It would just make sure everybody had a minimum income, and those that worked, would always be better off for working.

The reference to leaving Sterling is a dig at the government and currency should EBT be introduced, as it would surely be bad for the pound if people didn't have any choice in how to spend it, as people would be inclined to use other currencies to ensure their freedom to trade.

So whilst people would be able to be paid in Sterling in government approved jobs and spend Sterling on their EBT cards purchasing from government approved suppliers, they would also participate in the blackmarket/freemarket with an alternative currency.

EBT is something you'd expect to find in a failed communist state, where the government tries to control all aspects of people's lives and the economy.

Reply Posted by Size on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:34
Well said sweet I worked full time till I had my son now I'm his carer 24/7 Saving the NHs a fortune and I pay my bills by dd how can I do this if my money goes on one of these cards .

Reply Posted by wise voter on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:48
Just another way to control people. Ive worked from leaving school until i had to have a transplant so i paid into system for 14 years before i needed some help myself. Fair enough if you are registered alcoholic or drug addicted then a card is a great idea but for people who are on benefits through no fault of there own then its wrong. I need to get to hospital 3 times a week are they going to put card readers on busses and in taxis? No chance. What gives the government a right to tell people where to buy food from and clothes? Our grandparents/great grandparents fought a war so we would have freedom from hitler and the nazis and our government now is almost as bad minus genocide but i wouldnt be suprised if that was next for 'benefit claimants' the scourge of society. All this government has done is turn the population against each other and will keep doing so while in power all while stealing taxes as expenses i wont be voting for these pricks again tony blair did a better job

Reply Posted by Sarah on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:49
great idea stops them from getting to go out to boozer everyday while rest of us are working!!

Reply Posted by Jane on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:55
i was on JSA for 3 months and was actively seeking work. I have a level 3 qualification and finally found a job in the profession that I want to be in. So to say that all people on benefits are lazy is just completely ridiculous. I claimed job seekers so I could live whilst I found work. Do people expect the unemployed to become ill/endangered because they can't afford to eat and live in a safe place? People need help from the government sometimes. And those that are too lazy to work are sanctioned more often that not anyway, I over heard it all of the time in the job centre.
As for this, I agree with it. I spent my JSA on food and travel and bills and nothing more. I could not afford luxuries like alcohol and I even stopped smoking because i couldn't afford to do it. I didn't even buy any clothes or products. But I just accepted it and looked for work. However, I think that people will still find a way to get things such as alcohol and cigarettes. They could just do someones food shopping and be given the money in cash to do these things. People always find a way. I know that I have sold some Tesco food vouchers to a friend for cash because I don't live anywhere near a Tesco anymore.

Reply Posted by x on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 13:58
great idea lets segrigate the none working from the working even more than they have done already shall we ,what they gunna do have separate tills to pay for things with these smart cards,why not just make everyone whp for the most are unemployed through no fault of their own where banners round their necks,working or not they are still human beings who have very little dignity left as it is,shame on the people who think it is acceptable to treat people this way

Reply Posted by sid on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 18:35
Here here @x.

Reply Posted by tinker on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:16
Totally agree with baz! I drive my van all day round Lundwood, Grimethorpe, New lodge, , Thurnscoe and Goldthorpe. I see gangs of people drinking in gardens. If their benefits were only allowed to buy for their kids and pay their bills these areas would benefit greatly! Also how many betting shops have opened in Barnsley this year? Where do people think all this money is coming from? Benefits, tax credits, child tax credits , incapacity benifits , That's Where!

Reply Posted by barry on Thursday October 2 2014 at 14:04
tinker what a plonker. I work nights and have done for 30 years, I call and have a drink at the new lodge most dinner times, and then back to bed and work, so I am a benefit scrounger then, most people are retired or on different shifts, some don't work but may have done for years and got made redundant, because you are at work at that time of day doesn't mean everybody has to be, grow up.

Reply Posted by hilary on Thursday October 2 2014 at 16:08
sensible barry , some one with sense

Reply Posted by Rachel Betts on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:22
What a stupid idea !!!! I am disabled and unable to work , i worked from 5 years old up until my car accident , I am far from lazy ..... How the hell am i supposed to pay for my kids school bus fare , there after school activities etc if i can only use a prepaid card . My kids should not have to have no life just because i am disabled .
The government want to get a grip , get their heads from up their arses and get into the real world FFS.

Reply Posted by Rachel Betts on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:32

Reply Posted by dave on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:32
its ok no need to panic we will all have to start selling crack n heroin

Reply Posted by Tom on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:11
It seems that somebody is already supplying the politicians with hard drugs, going on the crackpot ideas they keep coming up with.

Reply Posted by dean on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:53
before we get into this yes I work so there before anyone says yeah you scrounge from the dole office go get a job... just thought i would silence the ones that would come up with that bullshit....

ok this crap is already used in the States... they have a card which they can use in a FEW and i do mean a VERY few retail outlets to buy food... it is only accepted by those places because the government have PAID said companies to accept the cards....

now lets look at this from another point of view... currently if you are in receipt of benefits no one would know if you were in a store doing your weekly shop... however with this new scheme you will pretty much advertise to the world that you are getting some sort of unemployment benefit... and given how this government and the media have been tarring all people on benefits as the scum of the earth that is just going to cause trouble for those who have to use these payment cards.

lets take this a step further shall we... many of these people on benefits do... yes use SOME of the money they receive to go for a drink with friends, they will spend their afternoons in their local bar or working mens club.... if this scheme goes through, it is going to not only ruin the lives of many on benefits but it is going to i can foresee start to ruin the lives of many small bar owners... because they rely on those afternoon visitors to keep themselves afloat through the week, it may not seem to be much but when after a month or two those pounds aren't going into the till it means that profits are falling and they can't afford to stay open, more people out of work and more on the dole.

so yeah lets just go with the idea of prepayment cards... lets advertise that everyone is on benefits so that they can be persecuted more than they already are, lets close even more small businesses because IDS and his Tory scum mates want to have everyone shop at their big money contributors.. and lets make sure that those that are on benefits have no self esteem left at all..

oh and remember I DO WORK... so this is just me defending the rights of those that don't.. because i remember what it is like to be stuck without a job.

Reply Posted by hhmmm on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:06
And how do these people pay their utility bills that are paid direct debit? You know the honest people that have no choice to be in that situation but buy food first and pay their bills on time do these people get scorned just because some people abuse the taxpayers money? This not only will close businesses it will get people honest people with no choice into debt.. Thought up by someone trying to keep their own job no doubt just like the bedroom tax pha

Reply Posted by Danny D on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:59
Fantastic that will be another few thousand votes for Labour and Ukip.Keep going IDS you have lost the party more votes than graft and fraud put together.I just hope you and silly Billy Haigh never by any miracle Breed.What a nobber you are ***** as a Rupert and ***** as a kept man.lol

Reply Posted by lindsey french on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 16:20
I am on benefits coz I am a single mum but as soon as my daughter is in nursery I will be bk in to work but this is wrong wat bart ppl that cant work coz off ops and things my mums one of them and I pay my bills and food in abd etc befor my self I smoke and drink but there the last thing on my mind not everyone are lazy and not everyone think of addictions first get facts right winds me up coz ppl get punished coz of others wrong in many ways

Reply Posted by J on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 16:25
To be honest this will work for most people that spend their benefits on living, and highlight the people that are actually scroungers!!
I work 50-70 hours a week, I can't afford sky tv, I live alone, if I want anything I have to look for second hand. I DONT claim ANY benefit as apparently I'm not entitled yet I struggle down to the last penny every month just to make sure my bills are paid and I can afford to get to work. The chance of a holiday?! Forget it. Yet my neighbours are both unemployed and have 2-3 holidays a year also have a fairly new car each, and always having dinner parties, that's what's unfair about this world we live in, it's the hard working tax payers that are the poorest!! So yes I agree if they want to buy cigs sky and holidays get a job!

Reply Posted by Tony on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 17:45
Another sensible posting.

Reply Posted by Guido fawkes on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 18:52
j - you need to get a proper job..

Reply Posted by Tom on Sunday October 5 2014 at 14:23
A person could rent a property alone, feed themselves, have SKY TV, holiday, drink, smoke and maintain a drug habit, purchase new and 2nd hand goods working 40 hours per week at minimum wage, in Barnsley.
If you cannot participate in even a proportion of the above, then you sir are feckless with your money, or you working for sub minimum wage, or you commute too far for your employment to be financially rational.

You should either manage your money better, find a proper job, or find a job closer to home or move closer to work.

Unless you are single and under 25 then it is very very unlikely you would be worse off working than being on benefits.

The only reason unemployed neighbours would be better off than you is if they have disability of some sort. Perhaps you should ask them for tips on how to manage your money.

2nd hand goods should be available to all, how do you purchase them with EBT?

Reply Posted by j on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 17:37
How awful - made to feel like lepers!! I have no sympathy for the free loaders, don't get me wrong, but for the majority of people having a hard time without being able to work, it is a real smack in the teeth and totally humiliating for them. Life is bad enough without being made to feel degraded.

Reply Posted by Tony on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 17:46
And a not so sensible posting

Reply Posted by x on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 18:27
I don't get it J if you work 60hrs a week you must be on approximately £360 a week and cant afford sky tv yet you think someone on £73 a week lives a life of luxury how does that work

Reply Posted by Fred on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 19:04
We (the workforce) must congratulate Mr Smith on this fantastic idea.

I never go to Morrisons but on this occasion I just called in for a paper. I have to say I have never seen so many deadbeats in my life.

This is why I travel to Wakefield and shop at Sainsburys. Saying that i've started to shop at Waitrose now. You get a nice Cappuccino and a paper to read for your troubles. You never see the unemployed in there.

Vote for the Tories and let them keep up the good work.

Reply Posted by Tony on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 23:02
Fred, I'll look out for you in Sainsburys. I always find that you get a better class of people in Sainsburys and in Wakefield generally. There are far too many uneducated scruffs in Barnsley.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday October 4 2014 at 15:13
Fred, I am going to go against my principles and vote Tory at the next general election.
As they are now trying to "bribe" the working classes with their tax threshold I think they are now the party for the working man!
How did I not see this before? *

* I intend to vote Tory as they don't have a cat in hells chance of winning the next general election! Hahahahahha

Reply Posted by J on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 20:34
@ x unfortunately I have an ex fiancé that left me with a lot of debt that I'm trying to pay off, so yes I can quite easily earn a good wage, but I also have a lot of bills to pay.. I could pay these off quicker but I also would like time to sleep. And yes I could get a better job but I enjoy what I do, what is wrong is that people that work hard get ignored. Why should I work a job I hate just so I can have 1 decent holiday a year? I don't see the point in being unhappy, that's not saying things aren't hard! A little help from the government to the hard working tax payers would be money much better spent!

Reply Posted by J on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 20:37
Plus, the person on £73 per week already has the majority of their bills paid, apart from utilities, like most people say, get a job.
40 years ago if you needed to put food in your children's mouths you went out and earn't it, what's wrong with doing that now?

Reply Posted by to j on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 21:00
you need to get a proper job, a paper round pays more than what you earn.. I have sky and a car and 3 holidays a year, caravan at skeggy which I rent out, pub 4 days a week, and never worked,, your the fool not me..

Reply Posted by Tom on Sunday October 5 2014 at 14:24
Dole has been around in various formats in this country for over 800 years.

Reply Posted by Pilks on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 21:45
I actually work in the Jobcentre and to a certain point i agree something needs to be done to prevent the misuse of benefits. However, a vast majority of people in receipt of JSA are unlucky enough to be out of work through no fault of their own, There is a small minority that have chosen it as a a lifestyle however and they are the one's who get the right wing headlines and who the Tories will use as examples for their continued onslaught. These are the ones who go on holiday, have the latest smart phones and are always in the pub...I've got a very basic phone, haven't been on holiday in about 10 years and hardly drink...coz I can't afford to.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday October 4 2014 at 15:15
Aww diddums!

I suppose you are one of the egotistical Nazis that also takes great pride in sanctioning people aren't you?
Hope you are happy in your work....

Reply Posted by Tony on Monday October 6 2014 at 12:57
Fred: I think STEVEO is worried that he may be sanctioned. All the rubbish he puts on here suggests that the men in white coats may be arriving shortly.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday October 6 2014 at 16:36
Sanctioned or Sectioned?
Make your mind up!

No sanctions for me as I work and have done so since the age of 15.

Reply Posted by Pilks on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 21:45
I actually work in the Jobcentre and to a certain point i agree something needs to be done to prevent the misuse of benefits. However, a vast majority of people in receipt of JSA are unlucky enough to be out of work through no fault of their own, There is a small minority that have chosen it as a a lifestyle however and they are the one's who get the right wing headlines and who the Tories will use as examples for their continued onslaught. These are the ones who go on holiday, have the latest smart phones and are always in the pub...I've got a very basic phone, haven't been on holiday in about 10 years and hardly drink...coz I can't afford to.

Reply Posted by SLd on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 22:08
just wanna say not EVERYONE on jsa are lazy!! I'm out looking for jobs everyday while also going to college!

Reply Posted by anon on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 22:09
How though @Pilks can they afford all of those things, pub everyday,newest fones ,hols etc?on JSA? How much do they get on JSA? Surely its not enough to fund the lifestyle you describe? I'm not disputing your word,you work there. I just don't get it.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 22:51
It's not just JSA though is it. There are a range of state benefits that these scroungers can receive. Let us hope that the government continue to make cuts to state benefits.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday October 4 2014 at 15:18
QUOTE "There are a range of state benefits that these scroungers can receive"
Straight out of the Daily Fail that comment RO.
Do I take it you will be rejecting your state pension then?
Biggest "benefit" expenditure is on the State Pension.


Reply Posted by Carl masters on Saturday October 4 2014 at 15:32
well said STEVEO - Red Optimist puts his size 10 boots in it again..

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Saturday October 4 2014 at 23:54
That's where you are wrong Steveo. My comment above is correct in that JSA claimants can claim other benefits. I readily acknowledge that the state pension costs the country more than any state benefit, but that is not the issue.

For what it is worth I do expect/hope to receive a state pension in due course, subject to such an arrangement applying when I reach the qualifying age.

Reply Posted by to red optimist on Sunday October 5 2014 at 10:56
you will then be relying on handouts, so will you be a scrounger then. you talk out of your arse.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Sunday October 5 2014 at 12:00
The state pension is something which everyone currently receives when they are of a certain age. It has been paid for by our taxes. You are clearly not a scrounger in receiving the state pension, but presumably you are not particularly well educated and cannot see that.

Reply Posted by trevor harris on Sunday October 5 2014 at 12:35
RO - it is still a benefit handout , you are a hypocrite and you are not educated calling people scroungers who may have worked most of there life and sadly become redundant through no fault of there own, and rely on government handouts to tide them over till there can find employment. I worked for 22 years and lost my job due to the firm relocating all work abroad, very well paid which sadly not many jobs in the area pay these wages, I relied on benefits till I seeked employment and I am not a scrounger.. people like you make me sick. you pigheaded disrespectful idiot.

Reply Posted by lisa on Sunday October 5 2014 at 13:36
I Concur Trevor , To many people like red optimist about, his head is that far up his rear end he can brush his teeth through his arse hole.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday October 5 2014 at 15:25
Define the word "scrounger" RO.

It may interest you to know that I am a current "benefit" recipient, I obviously wont go into detail as it is none of your god damn business, but does this make me a scrounger?

What about the hundreds of thousands of disabled people that claim various benefits due to their disabilities, are they scroungers too?

We all know who the REAL SCROUNGERS are don't we?
I am referring to the feckless workshy who inhabit the green benches in the Houses of Parliament and the Lords.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Monday October 6 2014 at 00:21
I would say that the definition of a scrounger is someone who pilfers, steals or attempts to obtain something to which they are not entitled. In the context of this thread and to give just one example, I would say that someone who is able to work and yet chooses to claim against the public purse is a scrounger.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday October 6 2014 at 11:47
QUOTE "I would say that the definition of a scrounger is someone who pilfers, steals or attempts to obtain something to which they are not entitled"

Exactly the same description as mine above regarding Mp's and Lords!

QUOTE "I would say that someone who is able to work and yet chooses to claim against the public purse is a scrounger."

Again, straight out of the Daily Fail.

Or are you one of "those" that believes everything that Ian Duncan Smith Says (or Ians Dodgy Stats as he is known as), an egotistical LIAR who has been slapped down on MANY occasions by his "bending" of said statistics.

Go back and read your Daily Fail old bean, i'm afraid there is no help for you and people like you.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Monday October 6 2014 at 12:04
So what do you specifically object to in my definition of a scrounger and what would your definition be?

Irrespective of what you may think or say, have you considered that you may not always be right. I would suggest that your views are all over the place. Are you on medication?

Reply Posted by wallace holmes on Monday October 6 2014 at 12:39
RO - im afraid with all the bull you post on WAB, maybe you need to take yours and have a good think about what you write.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday October 6 2014 at 16:39
I wouldn't use such right wing nonsense terminology.

I do take the occasional paracetamol.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Monday October 6 2014 at 16:54
So what terminology would you use?

What about your definition of a scrounger?

After typing all your drivel on here, I am not surprised that you need to take paracetamol.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Monday October 6 2014 at 16:58
I think about everything that I post on here, I only wish others would do likewise.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Monday October 6 2014 at 17:35
I also think you are all peasants and wouldn't normally grace you with my presence, but it is so much fun on here and as I don't work I have plenty of time to argue with the downtrodden scroungers.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday October 6 2014 at 21:00
I don't label anyone, nor will I be drawn into your right wing definition of a very small proportion of todays society.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Monday October 6 2014 at 23:52
It made me cry as well because I didn't post it. Neither did I post the comment about peasants (above)

Reply Posted by Guido fawkes on Monday October 6 2014 at 23:59
take your medication Red @ you are talking double dutch.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday October 8 2014 at 20:19
@ RO this is exactly why this forum needs a proper registration and log in to ensure that people are exactly who they say they are.

Reply Posted by sandra on Thursday October 9 2014 at 23:23
Well said Red Optimist,....I have worked since 15,..and am looking forward to it :-),..and further I cannot comprehend the furore regarding the use of pre paid card,s for benefit claimant,s,..i haven,t had a pound coin in my purse for year,s,..my debit card pay,s all,..i walk rather than catching a bus and in an emergency a famous taxi company will accept a debit card payment on the phone,my local shop also accept,s it,...

Reply Posted by CD Bramall on Monday October 13 2014 at 10:21
I am surprised you have a job with your shocking grammar.

Reply Posted by anon on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 23:20
Not sure how it works @red, but I thought any one on JSA, got just that one benefit. It seems if you get on disability then you've cracked it. I have relations who have cheated their way on to disability and yes,they have the lifestyle as described by @Pilks. Not being disrespectful to any one who is genuine, its just an observation from within my own circle.

Reply Posted by Sky on Thursday October 2 2014 at 09:42
I,ve never worked in my life so what,s up we my sky box

Reply Posted by Jade on Thursday October 2 2014 at 10:44
This is a brilliant idea. Benefits should be used to buy things for people to live on which if the people are saying 'not all of us are the same' well the card wouldn't be a problem to you would it? Really good idea maybe the lazy ones that stand near cash converters off their faces with drugs may actually get a grip and pull their life's together and find work.

Reply Posted by Kelly on Thursday October 2 2014 at 10:47
Really good idea. Nothing angers me more than seeing druggys walking past my work knowing full well they've just received their dole and bought drugs or whatever else!! The people that think it's a bad idea why? I could imagine it been like a credit card that gets credited every 2 weeks. It will help and get many people back into work!!!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday October 4 2014 at 15:19

Reply Posted by .... on Thursday October 2 2014 at 11:05
actually, most unemployed people look for work but all the polish take up the jobs. and yes they have 50 inch t.v, because theyve just finished working! so your saying work all your life to get what ya want then go on job seekers for 2 week & there automatically lazy! haha no, everyone in Brittens just narrow minded and if they end up been on dole for one month they get labeled dole trash like everyone else??:L this country a joke! all English go without while foreigners get there arse wiped!

Reply Posted by ty on Thursday October 2 2014 at 12:12
Isnt it time we arrested the Queen and her goverments and took their wealth off them and make a better world for us all

Reply Posted by Tony on Thursday October 2 2014 at 12:56
Are you an idiot?

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday October 2 2014 at 12:31
It's not right to ostracize people like this, It's unfair that i would have no choice but to shop at co-op and asda rather than buying my veg and meat from the market at a much lower price, it's nobody's business other than my own on what and where i choose to spend my money, it's hard enough living on the dole and trying to find lasting work, every job i have had this year has been agency for no longer than a month or so, then i'm back on the dole, why is this my fault? at the moment i am undertaking several courses run by the council to expand my already diverse qualifications, I have 11 GCSEs and 5 A levels in English, Maths, Biology, Physics and German, plus i speak a total of 5 languages, several computer related qualifications and such, but yet i cant even find a ******* job, wow, and now you retards tell me i am a scrounger because i have no alternative other than living on the streets/ a life of crime to support myself. You are the lucky priveliged few who have zero brain cells but you have a job... how is this just? I will buy what I see fit, **** the card.

Reply Posted by 4ft11andshrinking on Thursday October 2 2014 at 15:52
Yes, the great British welfare system, the envy of the rest of the world, we all need to respect it and the wonderful tax payers who support it. I hear some benefits are going to be capped in years to come.

Reply Posted by Keith on Friday October 3 2014 at 01:48
The people trolling and gloating are failing to see the bigger picture in which this is going to blow up in their faces. It is the kind of lack of insight or vision, the narrow doorstep mentality that leads them to vote themselves into the work camp. Those are people who are going to be very upset when they have to work till 70 to get the pension they paid for. They will spend their 60s failing to keep jobs as they decline physically and perhaps mentally and employers want young staff. They will have their benefits sanctioned for failing- or be forced to work full time for free (as happens already to people just below current pension age). They will blame it on anyone but themselves for letting it happen, for being sanctimonious and judgemental. It will be the fault of immigrants, the unemployed-- (oh wait now "I" am unemployed-- OK ok blank that thought out, mustn't have that thought, can't deal with it) Yes-- This is what you are signing up to. Do not ask for sympathy- even though you will always find kind natured people who will forgive you.

Reply Posted by Michael on Friday October 3 2014 at 03:39

Reply Posted by marion on Friday October 3 2014 at 08:15
paying with a card .. hey yeah .. and every time you pay in the little shops with card they charging you for using a card ..great.. less money for food .. ( i dont use my money top buy alc or for gambling) ..thats rubbish ...those people don't think it all way through ....

Reply Posted by Paul c on Friday October 3 2014 at 08:47
Good idea in theory but it will never work...very much open to abuse. Not so much by the card holder, but by the people who would be willing to buy the cards for cash at lower price than the real value of the card. That is, unless the card works on the same principle as a credit card. There is, I suppose, a way around everything.

Reply Posted by katie on Friday October 3 2014 at 09:03
U people moaning saying not every1 on benefits are lazy should get off there high horse! Why would u be bothered coz at end of the day it isn't affecting u, u need the money 2 spend in shops n that's what u can still do! Half of the people moaning are probably ****** u can't use it for ur drug use! It's about time they stopped feeding ur habit

Reply Posted by Paula on Friday October 3 2014 at 09:03
What they should do to stop people useing benifits for gambling alcohol and drug abuse is stop paying out to them and give it to the people who really need it the people who worked all there adult life and payed there taxs till deverstation hit and they find themselves not been able to work its bad enough the devastation of your life changing without having to fight for every little penny when drunks and druggys with self inflicted illnesses that never worked a day get it handed on a plate 3 year of stuggling after a brain hemmrage and I still carnt get what I payed into this country for it stinks xx

Reply Posted by jb on Friday October 3 2014 at 09:31
Im a mum of 2 small children n add love to work but carnt till my kids go into part time school .. These cards a guns course alot if assel.. Peoples bizness's a guna get run down eg. Bus's, shops, off licences, mc'ds takeaway shops wat ever else that's guna loose money frm these cards i pay bills n bye fo my kids out of my money wat if i need Calpol n shop down street doesn't accept these cards so Av to go 3 mile down road wi no bus fair with 2 children just to get Calpol... Wat if its anamergencey this is pethetic... I agree for them who r living on street its a good idia that they carnt by drugs or drink n have accully gt to spend it on bills n food but then again them find away n crime el go up bye 20% then its a no win situation... The ort to consantrate on wats accully happing in this world at min n make it a safer place nt messin abart experimenting stupid cards

Reply Posted by Jds on Friday October 3 2014 at 12:23
Got a problem with the smartcard?? Get a job....

Reply Posted by sue on Friday October 3 2014 at 12:36
I agree with some of you post @jb, but if you're on benefits, to be honest,the card is to stop people spending in what your post quotes. Mcdee,s,off licence,take aways!!! The cost of all of these are high,surely home cooking is cheaper,and I'm not sure benefits should be used on booze. Saying all that, I do not agree with the cards,its segregation and disgusting. Suppose its the government trying to make people stop spending unearned handouts on rubbish. I see both sides of the coin, I do believe life on benefits can't be easy,so spend the money on the correct stuff.

Reply Posted by Geoff on Thursday October 9 2014 at 15:09
Benefits are essential for those who for whatever reason are unable to earn and fend for themselves. They are a safety net in a society that should encourage equal opportunities. However, the people that pay for benefits through their taxes - and that's you and me - should be able to have a say and I genuinely believe that the card system would prevent benefits being spent on things like booze, drugs and other things that are counter productive to family life.

Reply Posted by Liz on Thursday October 9 2014 at 15:31
I feel sorry for the people who are working and getting nowhere because they are on such low wages ,I would gladly give them help to top up their wages !

Reply Posted by Mark on Thursday October 9 2014 at 15:44
i think it's a great idea.

Reply Posted by me on Thursday October 9 2014 at 15:59
All you that work that say it's a good idea would you be saying it if you had child benefits or any sort of tax credits as those are also classed as benefits and you gave any while working then hello it means everyone will have to use them. I my self have recently come off benefits and guess what I have not got a 50 inch screen, I don't have designer clothes I don't have a bmwide I am not lazy and yes I smoke but I don't drink. So don't tar everyone with the same brush

Reply Posted by jeff on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:03
Its a joke. All this government has succeding with so far is splitting the nation workers v everyone else wether they have a genuine reason to be on benefits or not. I worked 14 years until i needed a transplant does that make me a scrounger? Why should i have a pre paid card just because i was unfortunate enough to get sick. I know people who were on benefits since leaving school yet just because government forced them into a job at 30 years old theyre now calling claimants scroungers because they believe all the bullshit the government feed you. Politicians get expenses why arent they labelled scroungers and made to have a pre paid card. They claim for everything from rent to coffee and they get 'wages' for doing a **** job why should they get expenses too. Theyve done a right job at turning the population against each other but it was made easy for them by people believing the ****. Nazis lot of em ill be waiting for my identification and humiliation card

Reply Posted by Mike Newton on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:09
I find it insulting that after working for 49 years without any benefits that someone is able to receive benefits that enable them to live in relative luxury at the taxpayers expense. I receive old age pension but resent the implication that this is a benefit. I paid into the system which was a contract between workers that a pension was the return of money I had invested with the government for my retirement, exactly the same as a private pension. How may out there would call a private pension a benefit. The only benefit I have received from the government was a bus pass and that has been reduced.

Reply Posted by Tom on Thursday October 9 2014 at 19:53
Not many would call a private pension a benefit. You pay your money, and you receive a financial product in return, which is based upon the money paid in.

Although some of the final salary schemes in the public sector are akin to a benefit as they are funded out of local taxation and borrowing, as people never paid enough into a specific pot to cover them. Worryingly, ever more money is being used to fund the relatively generous pensions of previous public sector staff, whilst services are being cut today. (I'm pretty sure that a quarter of local government spending today is upon pensions of people who provided public service in the past).
Young people paying council tax, are paying for the services received by their elders in years gone by, whilst services today are being cut to the bone.

The state pension is a benefit that is funded out of taxation and borrowing today.

Nowhere near enough money has been paid in to fund the state pension, by the people receiving it. The state pension is not means tested and continues to rise in real terms (whilst ever more people claim it), it has risen above inflation through the so called 'austerity'. Whilst wages have fallen in real terms and even nominal terms for some.

For the first time in history, pensioners in their 80s now enjoy higher incomes on average than working people in their 20s, and this is before housing costs are taken into account! Which is by far the biggest outgoing for people under 50, whilst today's pensioners are the most likely generation to own their homes outright, for over 500 years, in the UK and have no housing costs.

Young people today don't have access to pensions in the way previous generations did, final salary schemes are being closed, and pension ages are rising, there is a new pension tax being introduced that is to be the same as NI was when originally introduced, and NI is now a whopping 12% of income, when it started off as just 4% a hundred years ago.

The state pension is nothing like a private pension. Although in the future it might be, as workers today have to pay more and more in, and for a far longer timescale, whilst the timescale they can claim a pension is being reduced. Today's workers might actually pay in enough to cover their pensions, as many of them won't live long enough to receive a pension, and will still be paying in, in their 60s, instead of drawing a pension.

All that said though. If it wasn't for the vast inequality in this country, and the worsening of inequality drastically over the past 30 years, where the share of national income to the 1% has doubled, then there would be no problem funding pensions and other benefits, and 99% of workers would be far better off.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Friday October 10 2014 at 17:16
Unfortunately and from memory, at least three people (uneducated clowns!) in this thread believe that anyone in receipt of the state pension is a scrounger who is relying on state handouts

Reply Posted by Nina me on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:12
i think it's a great idea give them a good voucher and everyone in the family a weekly travel pass so they can go to the park, shopping and on free days out (there's so much you can do for free) out of the child benefits that's for the children clothes vouchers food vouchers and once every few weeks a voucher to take the children out as it's not their fault their parents are on the dole I think it's an excellent idea. The people I know at the minute who claim are better off than me and my partner who have a job we can't afford to go out all the time or buy fancy things we choose to spend out hard earned money on a mortgage and things for the house and our child

Reply Posted by linda on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:22
not everyone on the dole are lazy i have done short courses & volunteered in a cafe alao them who drink and smoke and drugs do it to them they should go on the smart card + also i got 2 jobs so dont put us all in the same boat

Reply Posted by dale on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:29
I agree with you Linda. Not everyone on JSA wants to be on JSA, yet for those that do, this card will prove handy for them to prevent it being spent on drugs and drink. But to all those out there that think otherwise, when I claimed JSA last year, I must have been on it to buy drugs and booze because thats how backwards some people are instead of thinking about a persons' situation before JUST judging them.

Reply Posted by Niki on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:47
its wrong how are people on benefits especially the genuine ones able to pay bills, actively seek employment and go sign on if they have this card? It's impossible. Yet again because idiots choose to take the **** everyone gets tard with the same brush.

Reply Posted by Guido fawkes on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:53
totally 100% in full backing of this scheme.. I will be able to buy all my weekly shop of the local scruffs so there can feed there habit.. be even cheaper than using the cheap shop in Goldthorpe..happy days are here again...

Reply Posted by Dr Debate on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:54
It's not a good idea at all.Its an idea to turn everyone to believe that all on Benifit are scroungers.

It's Tory and Labour and Lib Dems way off attacking the very people that need help from society.

Yes they are people that have chosen a life on Benifits and have done for 20 to 30 years I know.

But don't get mixed up with the genuine people on JSA that have lost there jobs to MPs of all parties making decisions in Westminstre that has had a devastating effect on the jobs front.

Don't think you are immune to the benifits systemn you don't no what tomorrow might bring you.

Just another point as all the main parties have just hd there annual party conferences. Not one party said anything about Disabled. sick people or people on incapacity benifit. just remember next May who you vote for.
And don't forget DLA will be taxed next year and very year you will work longer and longer to retirement age.

Don't worry about the Benifit card and changes " you'll be alright Jack" in the future just be careful it could be you next on JSA or ESA.

Reply Posted by Katherine on Thursday October 9 2014 at 17:06
I think where ideas like this are necessary are with child benefits. People get this money to feed and clothe their children and, although many do, I've seen first hand how parents can blow it on theirselves. It's especially galling when they spend it on cigarettes and booze. The pre-paid card could ensure the money ends up benefiting the poor children who may be neglected otherwise.

Reply Posted by jo on Thursday October 9 2014 at 17:16
This is all about control ....needs never came into it !!!!

Reply Posted by Ann on Thursday October 9 2014 at 18:36
N how will people travel to find jobs if the money is on a card like .........

Reply Posted by J on Thursday October 9 2014 at 18:41
Not all people are scroungers,i have been diagnosed with terminal cancer and i am on benefits,as mentioned about paying bills by DD it is cheaper to pay bills this way and my meals are all made using cheap meat and vegetables that are bought from the market which is cheaper to buy from there,so tell me will the market take these so called cards also Aldi is cheaper to buy food from,so the goverment is going to make us all shop at a more expensive shop so that people with children cant afford proper food for there children,all the stories in the tabloids are a minority and we are not all like them...rant over.

Reply Posted by to j on Thursday October 9 2014 at 18:56
@j. Don't take any notice of the nasty comments. You know your own business. Keep your chin up and best wishes.x

Reply Posted by nowt to do wi u on Thursday October 9 2014 at 18:55
So does all the ppl who work get same treatment some 4 on dole t milk it sum r genuine iv a health problem so am a scrounger i was dismist ova mi health tgat wo 7 yr ago y dunt they tell us r we shud hoover wash up they just tryin 2 much t control us brits sort the bigger things first like imagration we gradually sinking cos we close r eyes wake up britain

Reply Posted by Katie on Thursday October 9 2014 at 19:30
Not everyone on benefits don't want a job people find it hard if they are a single parent aswell as am I but I am looking at starting an apprenticeship and what people are saying is that people on benefits can't have a life they can't go out and socialise no???

Reply Posted by bluesky on Monday October 13 2014 at 13:37
No you cant socialise. If workers cant do it because they pay taxes and full mortgage or rent and council tax and are skint, then my answer is no. People are lucky to be fed and have shelter. If you want more yhen work for it.

Reply Posted by Dr Debate on Thursday October 9 2014 at 19:57
@Katherine I don't know if you are aware but EU members ie Poland Romania etc are allowed to claim child benifit for there children back in there home countries.

In a nut shell if mum is back home in there countries and daddy is over here working or NOT or just claiming benifits in this country. They can claim for there children back home.
Only last week a very respectable organization I quote" over £600 million pounds in child benifit claimed in this country in last 12 months and sent back home to there countries.
Will these people also receive a benifit card I BET YOU NOT?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday October 10 2014 at 13:13
I mentioned this very subject right at the top of the page DD.
This ridiculous situation needs to stop and stop NOW!

Reply Posted by UKIP on Friday October 10 2014 at 13:39
UKIP in at Clacton . things are going to change for the better.. these muppets in at the moment cant run the country, so time for a change.. UKIP

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday October 13 2014 at 10:30
Yes time for a change, I do agree but UKIP are akin to the Nazis and the only credible policy they have is the one on immigration.
The rest of UKIP policy is even worse than Tory policy.
Only a buffoon would ever cast their vote for UKIP.

Reply Posted by Paul on Monday October 13 2014 at 11:30
STEVEO - Only a buffoon would vote for the other parties.

Uncontrolled immigration is having a negative impact on



Health service

Wages and standard of living

If anyone saying that this is considered racist and bigoted then I stand loud and proud, any party clamping down on immigration will win votes. Not because of racist/bigots, but because they see the big picture that this Country is sinking into a multicultural cess pit.

you keep voting them in STEVEO

Reply Posted by Janet simm on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 09:03
100% Agree ^^^^ . something needs to be done on immigration, ASAP

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 09:06
Paul, firstly you are a buffoon.

You and several hundred thousands (possibly even millions) that are thinking of voting UKIP are blinkered by the UKIP promise to "cut immigration" and have absolutely no idea of the ramifications of voting UKIP.

You site wages and standard of living as one of the reasons you are voting UKIP, Again before making such grandiose statements have a look at UKIP policy.

You do realise that UKIP want to SCRAP the minimum wage don't you?
You do realise that UKIP want to fully PRIVATISE the NHS don't you?

Secondly, if you read my post then I have also mentioned that the only credible policy that UKIP have is the one on immigration, of which I wholeheartedly agree.

Thirdly, I do not "align" myself with any political party as NONE of them speak for the working man.

Finally, yes UKIP will win many votes due to the immigration policy, but if you seriously think that a vote for UKIP is going to bring about millions of extra jobs and a sustainable economy then i'm afraid you and the hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) of people who intend to cast their UKIP protest vote are sadly mistaken.
Look at the policies first before voting UKIP.

I stand by what I said earlier.

Reply Posted by Dr Debate on Thursday October 9 2014 at 20:01
Sorry should read £600 hundred Thousand every week. Got carried away there .

Reply Posted by Dave D on Friday October 10 2014 at 17:07
You should be, with all the rubbish you put on here.

Reply Posted by Dr Debate on Sunday October 12 2014 at 15:08
@Dave sorry for what putting over facts. It's got to be true it was printed in the Daily Fail.

Reply Posted by Debbie on Friday October 10 2014 at 09:34
this would just cause my crime in the world . Drug users or alcoholics won't stop if there on pre paid card they will just turn to crime to fund there habit.

Reply Posted by e.p on Sunday October 12 2014 at 14:14
There's always a reason why people become an addict, generally due to a weak persons mental state due to previous abuse or being put into care even being called fat such as me! I have now suffered mentally, physically &emotionally also due to mental illnesses like bi-polar, post natal depression & SAD. Also slight schitzophrenia runs in us females aswell. I started drugs at the age of 13 started getting arrested for beating my bullies up, basically I was punished for standing up for myself! Called a liar whilst telling the truth and tortured & tormented by siblinngs always left out because I have a different dad! I was placed in springwell/base,john street or behaviour support service! They transformed me because I was never left out I was trusted & they all believed in me. I was heading for college got all my quals on 4 different courses and in school was star pupil and highest achiever. at 15 I Started working during school earned myself some pocket money, left home at 17, lived with my sister then the drugs and beer turned into harder things, I claimed JSA for around 6 months whilst working then I was offered a council flat I took it & finally at 18 I thought I found the love of my life who played mind games, cheated everyday, called me fat, forced me to slave labour for around 8 months whils I started another college course, the only money I got was m-cat and amphetamine because I was "fat" after 2 months I lost 8 stone never eaten for weeks at a time all while he sat in my flat sniffing mcat and cocaine saying its my fault he's got an addiction, he lost the shop which I was blamed for even after he made me believe I was so fat I sufferef 2 continuous seizures lasting around 25-30mins each even when I died and was brought back to life in the shop I was forced into he never came to the hospital and 3hrs before I told him I wasn't feeling well and wanted to go home! Nothing mattered to him, then at 19 we moved to Mansfield where he locked me in a bedroom in a house with his family I didn't even know & whilst he was out cheating was laid suffering from severe deep depression, never left the house because I didn't know where I was or know anyone around me I laid wasting for 3 months in that same bed, then one day after him staying out three days no sleep off his head cheating again pulled me by my ponytail over the banister at top of stairs and ragged me down the stairs to the front door and left me crying! Then he laughed there was his friend that come out & asked me if was ok & his brother argued with him over it, the day after found the strength to pack my bags and jump rains all the way back to Bolton-upon-dearne without money or a house I found a job & stayed with my sister then left after 5 days & stayed with my other sister who sufferes severe bi-polar through all this I was having withdrawls mental breakdowns & relapse so went to the doctors got a referral to phoenis in Barnsley, was removed from site because I stood up for myself once again! They did nothing to help! So I shook my head & got clean & moved to Scotland for 3 months, started smoking legal high because I was once again lonely laid in a bed being harrased by that horrible man of an ex! Started winkle picking to earn money, then I come back to England to my friend house, her son & I loved each other but çouldn't tell each other a week later he was in a car accident stuck in a coma started recovering then the hospital left him lying with meningitis & septacemia 2 days later he died, all while I was stuck in a cycle of self harm slashing myself with a Stanley knife & still addicted to amphetamine! Started having panic attacks suffering from bronchitis in need of a knee operation & my coxcic bent eround my backbone now at 21 yrs old feeling ignored, always having the best things taken from me such as all my close loved ones & after 6 years of tortue, physical & mental abuse starting to feel like a 70yr old after 11yrs of smoking fags & 7 yrs of being addicted to drugs after consulting my doc even working to fund my habit that my body has been used to daily for years that if just one day I didn't take anything I might just die or suffer really bad withdrawel! Basically not everyone claims benefits to fund their habits they have due to some kind of stress or suffering & personally we see it as a way out of the real world because they make us numb! But still work 6 nights a week to pay for my ongoing habit! I know business owners that sniff cocaine because of stress & they become addicted to m-cat & loose control! But they don't claim benefits, there is always a reason behind taking drugs or self-harm! Just think before you slate peoples lifestyles because all I was brought up around was bucket bongs cannabis & crack was made to sit & watch them all take something which made me feel that it was a normal thing to do, but I don't sit doing it but I used to but still never claimed benefits! I'm not looking for attention & if Yous all want to hate go on ahead! Because it's the people that slate & degrade people that forces people to take drugs & to take their lifes!

Reply Posted by Jordan on Sunday October 12 2014 at 17:06
Well I'm on benefits iv had a job for 6 years been to college for 2 years but had 2 children and cannot find a job to suit around there needs but ino for a fact I am not lazy and I'm looking for the right job still.. And as for the smart card what if you need to decorate or need clothes for kids or need to pay some one to clean ya windows and bins Etc how will this work there's more than shopping and bills ya pay for other things should come into concideration.

Reply Posted by bluesky on Monday October 13 2014 at 13:34
You dont get it do you? You dont decorate and you clean your own windows and bins after all youre not doing anything else. Go to charity shops or friends for clothes.

Reply Posted by Lola on Sunday October 12 2014 at 17:38
They do this in the US already, and participants can't use their benefits to buy colouring books, hair dye, plants or anything that is not food or deemed vital. Most worrying is that PET FOOD is not included. I do hope that is not the plan, as although I am not on benefits should it happen and the recession of 2009 should have taught everyone that we are all vulnerable, i would be panicked if i could not buy dog food.

Reply Posted by bluesky on Monday October 13 2014 at 13:32
If you aint working you shouldnt spend tax payers money on dog foof, hair dye or other rubbish. It is meant for food and essentials only.

Reply Posted by ...... on Sunday October 12 2014 at 21:38
I also work, but I can not agree with this card system. It seems to me that the alcoholics and drug users get other benefits to fund their life style, like they get free bus passes and travel vouchers just for, "being good". Meanwhile the people that are genuinely looking for work are forced to suffer.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday October 13 2014 at 10:32
They also get "disability benefit" for being an alcoholic or being a heroin addict, this nonsense MUST STOP!

Reply Posted by wake up to the government con on Monday October 13 2014 at 10:33
Workhouse mentality. Have the poor paid in "food" that's all!

I knew that where the Government were heading now that we have Victorian food banks (food kitchens) Pawnbrokers in every town and village being a booming business and Wonga loan sharks funded by the established banking community and some owned by MPs given free reign to destroy needy peoples lives

Dickensian London throughout the nation

Reply Posted by Tony on Monday October 13 2014 at 14:46
There is no need for food banks. The people who use them should 'sort themselves out' clean themselves up, get an education and get a job. Scroungers.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 08:46
So eloquent, what about the people that cant afford to eat as they have been "sanctioned" by the egotistical Nazi's at the job sentence due to no fault of their own?

You sir are a fool.

Lets just hope you don't fall on hard times and have to make use of the foodbank nor have to queue up for food with the "scroungers" again, as you so eloquently put...

Reply Posted by xxxx on Monday October 13 2014 at 16:46
while you lot are arguing about this my daughter and 3 young children are preparing to bury an husband and dad,who happened to work and pay his taxes to support his family and now through no fault of her own she will be for a little while will have to rely on the benefits system and NOBODY is going to tell me she and her babies are scroungers who should have some rich guy who asnt got a clue what its like to struggle that she will have to face the humility of being put on public show for people like some of you lot on here to be ridiculed.oh and one more thing will she be able to pay off the £5000 funeral bill she is going to be left with using this smart card,after all she and her children can't eat a funeral can they so obviously it wont be an essential will it

Reply Posted by Sez on Monday October 13 2014 at 20:39
iam on benefits did used to work council cut back I don't drink and don't smoke trying to get a job what about when you want to buy whiskey or wine for presents at Xmas and all I can say is all the druggies n alcos will turn to crime more to feed there habits so the people that think it's a good idea when your shed or garage or house or car has been broken into loads of times will you still think it's a good idea why punish everyone on benefits some are genuine why not just do it to the ones that are addicts but then again they'll just turn to crime enough said

Reply Posted by Jimmy on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 11:49
The card will only be valid at major supermarkets. It won't be available to spend in Barnsley Market where the food is fresher, healthier and cheaper. Unemployed people will be stigmatised further in Barnsley while watching their Polish neighbours going to work in factories that they should be given the opportunity to work in. All the while the ignorant cheer on this blatant discrimination and label people unfortunate enough to be excluded from getting on as "scroungers".

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 15:35
That is why there is a need for a workplace cap on migrant workers Jimmy, the sooner the better as far as I am concerned.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 14:04
come on bluesky,tony and the rest of you who seem to have lost your voices,answer my question should my daughter be called a scrounger,should her and her children be ridiculed by people like you just because her husband was inconsiderate enough to pass away

Reply Posted by sensibility on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 16:48
I had to go on JSA when I was 58. Could have chosen Income Support but didn't want to think my life was over. For 6 months I lived frugally surviving by carefully buying fresh seasonal food and cooking batches to last a few days and buying clothing etc at car boot sales. Fortunately I found a job and worked until I was 63 and then went onto State Pension. If my then £57 JSA had been paid by card I would not have managed. If a person on benefits is convicted of drug use then, in my opinion, they should be given appropriate help and benefits paid by card. But to insist all on benefits are paid by card is ridiculous, humiliating and not cost effective to either the provider or recipient.

Reply Posted by urb on Sunday October 26 2014 at 21:01
The card idea has been tried in a few countrys and has failed. But I like it, when your card is topped up to £114 every 2 weeks, then bring it to me and I will give you £80 cash for it!! get enough of you at it and I should make enough to fund my lavish drunken lifestyle! may even take up drugs just as a way of supporting local industry.

Reply Posted by Whats Occurrin on Monday May 11 2015 at 18:55
Wow!!! There are loads of important issues to comment on, in WAB debate,
and scrolling through them makes interesting reading.
Some items have 3 or 4 comments, others, a few more...some have none at all.
But this one has (so far) 168...seems to speak volumes about what matters most to "some" of our unemployed.
The fact is, no-one has an axe to grind with GENUINE claimants, it's the ones who ARE lazy gits, the ones who DO claim extra benefits for their drug or alcohol dependency; the ones who can miraculously afford to spend 7 days a week dossing about in seedy town centre pubs, getting smashed out of their bone idle little heads all day long, that **** off us tax payers!
After reading all the comments posted on this subject, I have noticed one inescapable fact....the only people who have leapt to the defence of the lazy ones, ARE the lazy ones, and NOT the people who are in GENUINE need of benefits!
All this said...if I get a chance to bob into Chennells some day, I'll buy all you idle, sponging f*cks a drink....NOT!!!