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WAB DEBATE: Should School Days Be Made Longer?

Thursday January 30 2014

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RADICAL proposals to overhaul the education system could see children kept in school until 6pm with holidays slashed.

The proposals, drawn up by David Cameron's former policy chief Paul Kirby, would see school days run the same as a work day, with a total of seven weeks of holidays a year.

It is claimed that the move would improve education standards and reduce childcare costs, allowing millions of mums to go back to work.

Schools can already set the length of their days - most in Barnsley don't keep children beyond 3.30pm.

Ministers are studying the proposals but what do you think? Have your say in the comment box below.

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Reply Posted by Nix on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:03
I think it's a great idea .

Reply Posted by carol on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:05
Kids have to now stay on til their 18 as it is, or go to further education or work. there's not many adults who work 9 while 6 (and don't slate me on that comment am looking from a child's point of view) they also get less holidays, yet is the teaching system going to be any better????

Reply Posted by Amy on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:09
I don't think this should happen. As the teaching will only get worse

Reply Posted by genna on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:09
As a mother of 2 (theyre too young to go to school yet) I think this is a really good idea although 6pm may be a little late for a 4 year old. As paul kirby says, mothers/fathers can return in to full time work. I for one agree with this change in the system even though there is a few downsides.

Does anyone know when these changes will be happening and if they are actually going to enforce the rules or are they just looking into it?

Reply Posted by Frank on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:12
More time at school and less holidays isn't just for the kids though, it'll mean more work for teachers that are already overworked and underpaid as it is. How do they feel about these changes?

Reply Posted by tom on Friday January 31 2014 at 16:02
Overworked?, they are contracted to work 6 months a year MAX, when all the rest of us have to work a full 12, they are over paid and serveryly underworked, great idea all the rest of us are having to pay for child care to work all hours god sends to pay taxes to pay for teachers to only work half a year.

Reply Posted by Teaching Star on Sunday February 2 2014 at 18:55

Have you tried teaching? No? But of course everyone knows how easy it is because everyone has been to school.

Reply Posted by Tez on Sunday February 2 2014 at 21:12
Don't be an ignorant fool. In their own time they have marking and lesson planning.

Reply Posted by Gail on Sunday February 2 2014 at 21:21
I get really annoyed at hearing comments like this. I have worked in school - not as a teacher but support staff and until then, yes - I had that attitude. But after seeing everything that teachers do - my overview has changed. The amount of their own time that teachers give up to help children is unbelievable. Yes it looks like they get lots of holidays every year - but half of this time teachers are still working - arranging lesson plans, (yes paperwork is involved - everything that they will be doing for EACH lesson needs to be recorded) preparing classrooms etc. What about after school clubs - the majority of teachers do these unpaid. I would challange anyone to have a go at standing in front of a classroom full of teenagers - helping them learn and actually getting them the good grades that kids don't seem to be bothered about at that time

Reply Posted by xxavia on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:14
So does this mean now that every parent now has to take their children on holiday in a seven week window now instead of 13 weeks to avoid paying any fines.

Reply Posted by Nix on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:15
@gemma I think they are just looking into, but I think it's a great idea. But I don't think they should get homework on top of this as the poor kids won't have time to be kids . But the thought of return to work for me is great , I don't have anyone close by to help out with school runs and such my hubby works nation wide, and with the current school times I am very limited to what jobs I can apply for , so for me and am sure other mums/dads this is great.

Reply Posted by Anon on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:15
I can see both sides to this.
It,can be very hard for Mums to be taken seriously in the job market sometimes as a lot of people cant afford childcare so can only work part time to fit around school. Lengthening the school days would be good in that respect as it would give the opportunity for Mums to work full time and not have to worry about childcare etc.
But on the flip side, what about family time together? Parents finish work at 5, pick kids up from school at 6, by the time they have tea and have a bath its bed time! And lets face its a long day for kids anyway, especially those who have just started in Primary School.
If the Tory government has anything to do with it, we will be a nation of workaholic zombies with no family life at all.
So no, lets leave things be please Mr Cameron. I don't know about you but my kids/family come first everytime.

Reply Posted by Macauley on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:22
I don't agree. It may reduce childcare costs. But if this happened, millions of out of school childcare buinesses would close, and would mean unemployment for Playworkers that work in them all across the country.

Reply Posted by single mum full time worker on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:28
About time, my child is nearly at college but would have so welcomed this. The people who are saying no, do you work full time or have even attempted it with children? I think this idea may be scaring a few with the fact they'll no longer have an argument to sit at home and watch jezza Kyle. Six is too late but an extended day would be great and less holidays. Anyone tried covering thirteen week holidays with only twenty days entitlement? Bring it on!

Reply Posted by Anon on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:36
Not sure the above comment is fair. I'm a full time mum about to go back to work now my youngest is in nursery. I'm not fearful of having to work nor do I sit on my bum all day watching tv. Who are you to judge those who choose to stay at home and raise their children? You come across as patronising and obviously think you are better than everyone else because you work full time. Give yourself a massive pat on the back for that! Climb down off your high horse and get a grip!! Not good to be so judgemental and have such a stereotypical opinion.

Reply Posted by fred on Friday January 31 2014 at 10:03
The thing is ANON - she is better than anyone else due to the fact she is working instead of what some other lazy people do and sit on their arse all day draining the benefit system

Reply Posted by Sarah on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:37
Teachers work very hard as it is, the teachers who have a high standard of teaching and learning put lots of hours into planning, resources, assessments, reports, IEP's, the list could go on... and no I'm not a teacher but I have worked in schools and know how hard they work, not only on school days but weekends and school holidays!!! Surely the proposed plans will mean that the quality of education children receive will not be to the high standards they are now!
As from a child's point of view, my 6 year old works hard all day at school and is physically and mentally tired out when I collect her. Do they really think children should add hours of work time onto their day?
I really don't think anyone has really thought about the proposals carefully, just another idea that won't go ahead!!

Reply Posted by becki on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:38
9 hours a day in school? I struggled to concentrate in the last hour at school(6 hours per day) so how are kids expected to manage 9?? Plus where is the family time that is supposed to be so good for children going to fit in? No way this should be allowed !!

Reply Posted by nicola phipps on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:39
I think its wrong keeping kids till 6pm what is the point only cause david Cameron wants people off benefits

Reply Posted by Strider on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:46
We need to do something, children need to learn more in a shorter time than their parents or grandparents did. Of course part of what they should learn early is how to learn effectively since the process of learning by rote is outdated and inefficient except in some minor cases.

One of the key issues here is nothing to do with education. Making the school day longer will almost certainly result in working day rush hour coinciding with school exits causing chaos in cities and will extend journey times unacceptably. Perhaps a slightly earlier start to the day - when people learn best - combined with shorter and less frequent holidays, perhaps staggering the summer break across the country to stop travel companies cashing in.

Reply Posted by M on Thursday January 30 2014 at 16:47
It'll be a ploy to make schools into free child care providers and get people off benefits into work. I have up to maternity leave worked full time with young children. For those starting school as our daughters will at just 4 its too long a day for them. After school clubs etc I agree with as there is often a fee involved and they are not a must. Often wonder what's going on in the heads of some of those in power lately.

Reply Posted by Joe on Thursday January 30 2014 at 17:00
I think that if the government made local authorities provide extended school services for those families who wanted it/needed it, it would be great. I'm not talking about teaching but fun things like music, drama etc lead by extra staff. Some people need to work full time it's not an ideal choice with little ones. Also school holidays are a nightmare for most working people.

Reply Posted by Tom on Thursday January 30 2014 at 17:10
One of the main reasons we have schools it to provide free childcare to parents, so that they may work.

In many respects this is a subsidy to big business.

I don't think children should be forced to attend school for the amount of hours that they are, and I don't think their parents should be fined based up attendance either. I don't think children should be forced to attend school for longer than what they are.

But, if childcare is required, and the school is capable of providing it, in a way which is beneficial to the child and wider community, I'm not going to be against them providing it voluntarily.
Before and after school activities can be put on offer for example.
Science clubs, sports clubs, choirs, etc.

Reply Posted by tickedoff on Thursday January 30 2014 at 17:11
Far better to keep school times as they are and make it compulsory that all teachers take a yearly examination to prove that they are competent at the job they are being paid for. Don't blame children for lack of attainment in school when the fault lies with the educators. More & more schools countrywide are failing to adequately educate and its an embarassment.

Reply Posted by Matthew on Thursday January 30 2014 at 17:15
Bad idea, it is just another case of the government using education as a political football. Other countries have longer school days, but they also have longer holidays. Including the nations Mr Gove always holds up as beacons of good practice. Schools are not state funded child care...

Reply Posted by Mary on Thursday January 30 2014 at 17:50
I'm all for education but a child needs to have some free time as well and to spend time with family, 6pm is a bit long by time they get home have tea it's bed time. What about the children that do after school clubs like swimming and dancing Ect . Nxt thing it be weekly boarding at school and only home weekends. And what about the teachers they don't want to working longer hours. I want to be able to enjoying bringing my kids up not someone

Reply Posted by sal on Thursday January 30 2014 at 18:06
What next. Kids are tired after school hours now so how would they manage another 2 or 3 hours. Ideas that mums can go to full time work is silly. WHERE are the jobs for a start. Its unlikely that would work. Teachers are there to teach not childminders. I think the standards would drop and teachers would leave in droves.

Reply Posted by Melanie Whitmore on Thursday January 30 2014 at 18:19
No way.

Reply Posted by chan on Thursday January 30 2014 at 18:47
Totally wrong how r children meant to manage those sorts of hours? Where is there time to have family time? Most parents work weekends too so no chance of time together there. All finishing together the roads will be havoc. What about kids sleep times? Fin at 6 tea would not be ready til 730 then bath time you are looking at bed time around 830 at the earliest really good to eat just b4 bed we already have a obese nation and this would add. In addition kids r meant to get around 10 to 12 hrs sleep a night for them to function properly hmmmmm bed at earliest 830 but then have to be at school by 8 55am it's half n hr walk to my kids school the kids would have to b up at 6 to get them all ready Inc myself. No Def not enough time for the kids to sleep. The thing I do agree with is giving less holidays or at least splitting the 6 wks up a little say five them 2 or 3 wks n add to other hols or give an extra half term. Also agree that hols should be staggered all over the country to stop the ridiculous hikes on already expensive holidays it also gives the parents chance to get that week off instead of pulling them out of school. Not all parents can get time off in the hols. Employers have the right to refuse holidays if it interferes with the business.

Reply Posted by Delia on Thursday January 30 2014 at 18:47
My children currently 4&7 do 2 full days from 8am til 6pm I use breakfast and after school clubs and have done since my eldest turned 1 and I went back to work. From experience I can tell David Cameron that it is too long a day. They are both so tired both in both of the days so to do it all week I can't imagine.
It's not the hours they need to change its the holiday system and the travel rip off company's.

Reply Posted by sarah on Thursday January 30 2014 at 18:50
one of the reasons given is to keep troublemakers off the streets erm they dont go to school anyway. There is no way my kids could cope with a 9 hr day at school,they are 12 and 13 and in some subjects cannot concentrate because of the disruption caused by the kids who dont want to learn i wont have them putting up with that 9 hrs a day and nor should teachers have to. I dont often stick up for teachers but on this ocassion im on their side. Keep the days as they are have 8 weeks hols instead of 13 and keep a 2 weeks grace for holidays instead of these stupid fines.

Reply Posted by Working mum on Thursday January 30 2014 at 19:20
As a mum, a working one at that, I feel this is too extreme. It's too long and no matter how good the idea seems in theory, it's just not logical for children to be in school that long. The teachers in school need family time too and as for the holidays most working people as well as unemployed struggle at best to get time for holidays without cutting them!

Reply Posted by sarah on Thursday January 30 2014 at 19:31
if schools allow the 2 weeks grace period for a family to go away the holiday companies cant put up the price of holidays all the time because not everyone will go at the same time ie august 6/7 weeks hols double price, july or september in the 2 weeks grace holidays half price as not everyone will be going in july or september.

Reply Posted by Andrew Walker on Thursday January 30 2014 at 19:20
9 hours a day? Leave the education system alone, Conservatives. Teachers are already stretched as it is, they have more than enough to do without interference from the Government.

Reply Posted by Jack on Thursday January 30 2014 at 19:30
More time spent at school must surely benefit the end result? Look at other developed countries that follow suit.
Maybe then, your daughter wouldn't end up still living at home because she tossed off 11 years of education ending up being yet another hairdresser or beautician! I thought most doley folks in Barnsley would welcome more time at home without the brats they had to get the house?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday January 30 2014 at 21:06
I think you are all missing the point here...
Don't you think it is yet another cynical ploy by the Tories to shove single mothers into minimum wage jobs?

Think about it for a minute...

2.34 MILLION UNEMPLOYED but only 596,000 jobs.....

Reply Posted by Nic on Thursday January 30 2014 at 21:30
STEVEO, as usual, well thought through and valid. Maybe true but, half of them minimum should be pushed into work. I know dozens that planned the lifestyle they now cherish. Own place, bills paid, no alarm clocks. Happy Days!!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 31 2014 at 11:34
I am glad someone sees what I am seeing...

Its all a Tory ruse to shove anyone between 16-65 into employment, they don't discriminate either, single mothers, the sick, dying and disabled.

The Tories will try and shove anyone into work all under the guise of " welfare cuts"...

Again mull it over....

But again 2.34 MILLION UNEMPLOYED but only 596,000 jobs.....

Oh and the fact that the Tories simply AREN'T cutting the deficit as they have borrowed MORE money in 3 years than Labour did in 13.

Off the soapbox and back to the topic in hand, One of my cousins got preggers @ 16 and now has four bin lids,as soon as the dole started to catch up with her and told her she HAD to work she just got preggers again.
She is up the duff yet again and bambino number 5 is due in August.
As you can imagine all four kids don't have a/the father named on their birth certificates...
never done a days work in her life either.

Personally in her case the schools should only open for a few hours a day, that would make the lazy cow look after her kids.

Reply Posted by sid on Friday January 31 2014 at 11:47
slightly off topic Steveo, but somethings wrong somewhere. I have advertised a job at my place and I have had 1 applicant who I can consider. plus 1 Hungarian,and 2 that desopite the qualifications needed (which they are far from...one being a fairgrounds rides constructer) have offered C.V's. The job itself was so hard to enter on the Governments Job Seekers site that I gave up and had to beg for help to put it on there. Now Im getting e-mails from Agencys,saying that for £1250 they have 2 people that may be interested. Pay the fee and they will give me the info to contact them! Im not trying to employ a brain surgeon,but I may well need one by the time the vacancy is filled. Whats happening? High unemployment? The skills are not being taught? Thats all I can think.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 31 2014 at 12:24
Sid, I know a guy who has just been laid off and is looking for work.
He's a top notch grafter and I would vouch for him.
How can he get in touch with you?

Reply Posted by sid on Friday January 31 2014 at 12:46
Hi Steveo, whats his trade?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 31 2014 at 13:03
M/C Operator
jcb driver
to name but a few

Reply Posted by sid on Friday January 31 2014 at 13:15
Steveo.We need motor vehicles mechanic level 3.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 31 2014 at 13:19
Could have told me that at the start ya dafty!
Never mind it was worth a try.

Reply Posted by fas on Thursday January 30 2014 at 22:08
Im a single mum n ive always worked.. Cameron n his daft ideas yet agen,, no kids r at skl long enuf there startin skl as babys n leavin as men its outragious

Reply Posted by Anon on Friday January 31 2014 at 04:06
I am a single parent and have always worked apart from paid maternity leave. My children are in childcare at the min from 8-6 as I also hold down a full time job. Those single parents who say they can't work due to childcare costs are just making excuses as Tax Credits will cover up to 70% of childcare costs so there really is no excuse and my children are so much better for going to nursery as they are more advanced than a child who does not attend nursery. The hours they are debating is near enough the same amount of time we are all out of the house anyway and would cut down the childcare costs. So there would be no excuse of not being able to work even a full time job if this were to come in. I'm all for it as it would get more ppl off income support and jobseekers and most families especially single parents will be better off. I've no idea how much both of these benefits are as I have never needed to claim and have always been in work since leaving school. There are jobs out there if u look hard enough it's just there are some that think they are above a job such as cleaning and would rather spend their time drinking and smoking away benefits. I'm sure every parents wants the best they can give there kids and WORK pays not benefits. U would have more money by going out to work than sitting at home with the kids every day

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 31 2014 at 11:09
Well done missus. ;)

Reply Posted by jules on Friday January 31 2014 at 08:06
there kids why should they stay in school 9 hours a day r the school goner provide tea for them too cos that would mean paying two lots of dinner fees aswell what about workers who may find it awkward like me i start work at 5 and would make this awkward for childcare as i have to drop my kids elswere get a grip cameron

Reply Posted by fred on Friday January 31 2014 at 10:07
Can't belive the amount of people saying that kids will be too tired -- they are sat on their arse, they would be sat on their arse at home - so what is the difference.

And yes, I was once a kid !!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 31 2014 at 11:39
Yup I agree, I also agree with the 9 hour day too.
Perhaps double P.E lessons every day would be a good idea too.

Reply Posted by anon on Friday January 31 2014 at 11:16
have you got a good, well paid job? Or are you working in a dingy little factory on minimum wage?
id just had my 3rd child and had been a stay at home Mum since having my first child(my choice as i didn't want to miss out on those first few precious years and have a childminder see my kids more than me!) my other half was working sometimes 14 hours a day, he had to travel to Halifax everyday. By the time he got paid at the end of the month we had NOTHING left, it was in one hand, out the other on BILLS. Yes i got CB and CTC but that was spent on weekly grocery shopping inc nappies, baby milk etc. Other half got WTC but that was spent on fuel for our car. We were on our,arses. Couldnt afford a day out with the kids let alone a little holiday. My partner can no longer work as he had advanced RA and is a lot of pain everyday, trust me its dented his pride big time...all my kids are in full time school now and i think the school day is long enough. Yes i want to work but i cant expect my partner to run around after the kids picking them up from school etc. And i don't want to miss out on quality family time either. That's what makes a family, being together. Spending time together. I've seen SO many families break apart because they never see each other. Both parents working full time, kids shoved in childcare. They spend 2 measly hours together, an hour in the morning, an hour before bed. It just doesn't cut it. I worked part time up until recently, around school hours (5 hours a day, 3 days a week) and i dropped on a job in the village which meant i didn't have to travel and could be there for my partner and the kids. Unfortunately the shop i was working in closed down and theres NOTHING else in the village.I wasn't earning enough to lose housing/council tax benefit so i wasn't working just to pay those. Part time work can be beneficial and i still got to spend that quality time with my family. I don't want to be a parent who works all hours just to pay the bills but i don't want to not work either. Its just getting the balance right.. When you work your arse off you expect to be able to afford a better quality of life, not just work to get by and trust me when my partner worked full time we had nothing. school days are long enough and family time is so important to us. If folk can find a little part time job to fit in round the current school hours then that's enough in my opinion. 6pm is way too late and too long a day for kids. Ye shorten the 6 weeks hols to 3 weeks or something but leave it be. i think Mr Cameron is tripping tbh.

Reply Posted by Michelle on Friday January 31 2014 at 16:37
I agree with less holidays especially the summer holidays are far too long but no child should stay in school any later than 4pm they're not young for long and mums should want to spend time with their kids!!

Reply Posted by Chez on Friday January 31 2014 at 16:41
I don't agree with this at all!!! I love spending quality time with my children....they grow up too quick!!!

Reply Posted by marie on Friday January 31 2014 at 16:43
Sid would you consider an apprentice. My brother is currently doing level 3 at college due to complete in the summer.

Reply Posted by sid on Friday January 31 2014 at 21:14
Yes Marie. If he asks the tutors I have already talked about the post.

Reply Posted by craig on Friday January 31 2014 at 16:48
Tom 39 weeks is not six months is it? Who on here works 12 months a year? I'm a teacher - pay my taxes, paid for child care in the past and paying for my pension thank you.

Reply Posted by Rachel on Friday January 31 2014 at 16:53
I personaly won't have my children at school 9 hours a day 5 days a week with home work to do at home. If this comes into force il home school my kids.

Reply Posted by Dance teacher on Friday January 31 2014 at 16:53
If this were to happen it would put people like myself out of business, I teach dance classes for children outside of school hours and struggle as it is fitting in class times for my younger pupils. All clubs like mine would suffer as an affect including sports clubs, scouts, swimming etc... It's a bad idea and will result in a lot of people becoming unemployed.

Reply Posted by mikey on Friday January 31 2014 at 17:14
After considering most of the comments above, it's clear to see why as a town, generally speaking, we produce idiots. You need to travel abroad (an alien concept to some of you, I know) & witness the level of discipline and commitment of foreign pupils at foreign schools. Little Johnny's mummy not wanting the nasty teachers keeping him at school for a mere 1 hour per day isn't going to help him become a scientist/doctor! He can work at Asos. Well done, Mummy.

Reply Posted by Amy on Friday January 31 2014 at 17:47
As I current student teacher about to persue a career in teaching come September. I think schools already do lots to help working parents in terms of belreakfast clubs and after school clubs. I think keeping children in school for a long amount if hours and keeping them engaged and focused will be exhausting for them and for teachers. As other people have said, teachers work hard every evening, weekend and holiday to provide the best possible learning environment for children and this is hard as it is now so couldn't imagine organising more teaching hours.

Reply Posted by Amy on Friday January 31 2014 at 17:49
Before any one picks up my spelling issues I'm on a smart phone and on a train, my apologies.

Reply Posted by x on Friday January 31 2014 at 17:52
at the moment working mums get subsidised child care,if this goes through the government will not have to pay and teachers become child minders seems to me this is just another money saving ploy that as not been thought through,yet more kids growing up without a clue what family is all about

Reply Posted by Amy on Friday January 31 2014 at 17:55
One more comment... Tom you really need to get your facts right about teachers before you try to have a point. Teachers work their backsides off all day everyday and are NOT over paid but are certainly over worked. I wish people didn't have such a narrow minded view of teachers and try doing the job for a week.. Then we will see what people have to say.

Reply Posted by Klee on Friday January 31 2014 at 18:00
Judging by the spelling and grammar on most of the Facebook comments it probaby won't do any of these kids harm to stay in school a bit longer with the folk raising them!
There's a lot of positives in this "rediculous" and "perfetic" idea

Reply Posted by Paul on Friday January 31 2014 at 18:20
Teachers contracts are for 1265 hours a year over 39 weeks, which works out at 6.5 hrs each week day. Currently most work in school a minimum of 9 hrs a day (8-5) plus for arguements sake 2 hrs a night (at least) as well as around 4 hrs (again at least) on a Sunday planning. That makes an additional 26.5 hrs of planning and marking a week out of the contracted hours. If school days were to be made longer surely the contracts would have to change with contracted hours added costing the government more money? The money aspects aside when would teachers find the extra hours to plan and mark as surely there would be a lot more to do?

Reply Posted by getAgrip on Friday January 31 2014 at 18:35
Great idea....let's run the education system around a parents needs for childcare. Fab. That's a sound educational basis for change. My contracted hours as a senior school leader (not in barnsley though) are 36 hours (I already work far greater hours, 60/70+ is not uncommon). If this was brought in I'm assuming I would be responsible for the time children were there and therefore should be paid accordingly. I reckon I'd be on about at least £150k+....cool with me!

Reply Posted by lcd on Friday January 31 2014 at 18:37
I for one wouldnt welcome this proposal cos quite frankly its far too long a day. both myself and my husband work so spending time together as a family is essential. We both work weekends too. This could only really benefit people who work a 9 to 5 mon to fri. I can see why some would see this as a good idea tho but its not for me.

Reply Posted by Nic on Friday January 31 2014 at 19:12
Only in Barnsley could we deem extra study as negative. We Are Backward

Reply Posted by craig on Friday January 31 2014 at 19:25
There comes a point when things stop going in - more is not always best

Reply Posted by Nic on Friday January 31 2014 at 19:54
Why not extra sport then?? Embrace change!!
Adapt for heaven's sake people.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Friday January 31 2014 at 20:41
the way things are going were not going to have a great deal of say in anything in our lives ,i am stunned when i think of how much freedom of choice we have lost

Reply Posted by Rubydoo on Friday January 31 2014 at 22:39
The majority of children have had enough by the end of the school day. They can only concentrate on learning for so long then saturation point is reached. This is my experience and I work in a very good secondary school outside Barnsley.

If children are made to stay longer then along with a few other people on here I think they should be involved in things like, sport, cooking, art, drama, music etc.

The implications for all school staff, from caretakers, cleaners to teachers and reception staff are huge. Heating, lighting, insurance and maintenance all need factoring in. Nothing is free and someone, probably the council will have to pay.

I think the scheme or something like it will be introduced eventually but it needs organising, staffing and funding properly.

Reply Posted by Littleoldlady on Sunday February 2 2014 at 09:04
most of the above comments sound very "us" and "them", surely educating children is about both parents and teachers and both being responsible and accountable.

Reply Posted by someone on Sunday February 2 2014 at 21:14
I work full time teaching gcse maths, as well as a mum to a 2 year old and 4 months pregnant. I teach 24 hours a week, but with non teaching hours, I am paid for 38. However, I am often still in work at 6pm, work until approx 10am most evenings, as well as weekends and nearly all the 'holidays'. I manage to sort out childcare for myself, so why can't others? What about my family time with my children? Why should I pay for childcare so I can provide childcare for someone else? What about the extra time needed for planning and marking? Where will that come from? Teachers have to take holidays at the same time as students, so less holidays will also mean more expensive holidays for teachers and students. Regardless of all that, I cannot see the benefit of small children being forced to be taught for 9 hours per day. European children start school at 7 years of age and still gain good results. Children need to be children. This idea is ridiculous.

Reply Posted by terry on Sunday February 2 2014 at 21:16
The school day is long enough,there is too much pressure put on children today.

Reply Posted by teacher on Sunday February 2 2014 at 21:26
Tickedoff...you clearly know a lot about teaching!! For I am not examined once a year but three times a year and that's excluding OFSTED, stay and play and family learning (where parent's sit and watch us teach!) I then have to evidence progress and teaching standards at meetings again three times each year....I drop my own child off at 7am before heading to school and make a conscious effort to be home by 5 to spend a few hours with him before I work into the early hours. The children I teach are 4 and 5 and certainly do not need any more thinking time than they already get!!

Reply Posted by sid on Sunday February 2 2014 at 22:04
I'm all for the teachers. Its a tough job,I know that from family experience, but something is going wrong. I have posted on here before about kids coming to me for work after leaving school and some of them have very poor skills. Spelling egg and bacon as ..egge n bakon. What are the teachers being examined on? How can kids not know how to spell egg on leaving school? Something is wrong somewhere.

Reply Posted by Wellbake on Sunday February 2 2014 at 21:55
For some it may seem a good idea but for me no yes I agree with short holidays but not the children being at school till 6 , my daughter travels to school by bus to wakefield and being at school till 6 having then to get a bus at 6.30 bk home is a joke unless schools put on buses for them how are they to do homework for me it's not something I agree with .

Reply Posted by teresa on Sunday February 2 2014 at 22:52
Mr Cameron and his team are talking out their backsides, kids learn through play they spend enough time at school. thought it was bad them putting retirement age up but these kids today wont reach retirement age cos if they work for a living when they leave school they wont reach retirement.

Reply Posted by Ron on Sunday February 2 2014 at 23:22
This is a total non story and I don't know why wab are even bothering with it. A former Tory advisor told The Sun that this should be an idea to consider. The government said no its not something they'd consider.

Reply Posted by Claire on Sunday February 2 2014 at 23:48
When would families spend anytime together , only parents who can't wait to get rid of their kids would relish this idea n really think it is best for the kids
Yeah I can see the benefit for parents who work 9-5 but it should be about the children not the parents
Less holidays would also make this policy of only taking holidays in school holidays nigh impossible to achieve

Reply Posted by geoffrey boycott on Monday February 3 2014 at 18:52
In Short NO!!!!! NO!!!

Reply Posted by Working mum on Tuesday February 4 2014 at 14:40
Don't be a so idiotic!
Both me and my husband work full time,
Me from 8:30 to 6pm and him from 10am to 8pm
We have four children aged 8, 7, 3 and 10months

We barely get to see our boys as it is, and they are bloody exhausted after 6 hours at school .. Putting an extra 3 hours a day on that would be pushing them to their limits!
Not taking into consideration that they would need a second allocated meal time!!

I'm afraid if this gets passed, I will have loads of fines and court summons' as I would be getting them out at 3pm every day!

Reply Posted by Working mum on Tuesday February 4 2014 at 14:42
And yes, we pay a childminder 40hours a week also!

No it's not cheap!

Reply Posted by sinead on Tuesday February 4 2014 at 14:42
I am against this 100%. I work full time, including weekends and nights, my husband also works full time permanent nights. If my kids were in school till 6pm (now aged 6 and 4) we would never see them. These are my children and i want to rear them, play wuth them and generally spend time with them. Education is there to educate them for later in life.....not to be used as a means of childcare. I would be devestated if this came into effect as i would feel like i was loosing my children

Reply Posted by xxxx on Tuesday February 4 2014 at 15:24
its all about taking away your freedom of choice,it wont be long before this government will dictate every thought ,movement and decision we take

Reply Posted by jasmine on Tuesday February 4 2014 at 16:08
A suppose the children dont get a say in this ither... So children should have to get up go to school come home have tea get in bath and stright to bed well thats nice.. Were the hell do they find time to play with friends and spend time with family yeah there is weekends but really its only 2 days thats not long enuff when u wont have seen your kids for 5 days

Reply Posted by Lulu on Tuesday February 4 2014 at 16:12
This is ridiculous what about kids with special needs they find it hard enough as it is going to school. What about the teachers who look after them day in and day out yes they get paid but it must be hard work to look after kids with so many different needs. If this happens my child with be home schooled he would not beable to cope with such long hours he already struggles as it is.
No one will see there kids and the teachers will have far more work to do not to mention the stress they will be under.

Reply Posted by :( on Tuesday February 4 2014 at 16:15
I think its ridiculous how parents that dont earn enough or on benefits get to put their children into nursery from 2 years. I couldnt put my kids in because apparently my partner earns over the criterea. wed put them in paid for childcare but we cant afford that. Otherwise id be working now!!! and no we arnt on benifits.

Reply Posted by Freddie on Tuesday February 4 2014 at 16:38
Fear not! That nice Mr Gove is going to double the funding of state schools and cut class sizes in half. This will mean we need hundreds of thousands of fully qualified teachers and our children will have such a wonderful experience in school that they will beg to stay for a few more hours. Yippee!!! I have got his message right haven't I?

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