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New Miners' Strike Documentary Gets Backing

Tuesday November 26 2013




A VETERAN filmmaker, unions and MPs are supporting a new documentary about the miners' strike of 1984/85.

(Still) The Enemy Within tells the story of the strike through the voices of some of the tens of thousands of miners who followed union president Arthur Scargill through a year of unprecedented struggle.

The film is being made by production company Bad Bonobo and producer Sinead Kirwan said it covers the entire strike timeline and includes first accounts.

She said: "It describes the experiences of ordinary people, striking miners, their families and supporters who had no choice but to step on to the stage of history in one of the biggest industrial disputes Britain has ever seen."

A large focus of the interviews are about the activities of Barnsley NUM members and filming took place in the borough earlier this year to accompany the interviews.

A special event to launch the film's crowd funding campaign took place in London and veteran filmmaker Ken Loach, who directed Kes and 1985 miners' strike film 'Which Side Are You On?', was among those who attended.

After the event, he said: "The mainstream media didn't tell the truth about the miners' strike when it happened. The same lies are still being told.

"It's therefore important that we tell this story. The film should be made."

Journalist John Pilger, who reported from pit villages during the strike, said: "This is an important film. What happened to the miners in the 1980s is happening again in other forms as an increasingly totalitarian state touches our lives."

(Still) The Enemy Within is a first-time feature for director Owen Gower and will be released next year to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the strike.

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Reply Posted by Neil on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 11:03
How wonderful. This will drag Barnsley even further down the gutter.

Reply Posted by Neil_Is_A_Cock on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 11:28
are you for real? i suppose the forthcoming Hillsbrough enquiry will drag Sheffield even further down the gutter an all. You should be ashamed.

Reply Posted by Neil on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 11:42
No not at all, i'll leave that to Arthur Scargill. Thanks for the insult btw, you look *well ard*

Hillsbrough is a totally different story, idiot.
:D

Reply Posted by LOL on Thursday November 28 2013 at 08:54
MAGGIE DAS DONE A RYHT JOB,DAS MADE MANY A MINER LIVE WELL.

Reply Posted by LOL @ LOL on Thursday November 28 2013 at 09:15
Did she do a better job than Tony Ben and Labour?


Reply Posted by Kev on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 11:08
"The miners united, will never be defeated" That worked out well for them didn't it?

Reply Posted by Lisa on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 15:07
We should be very proud of the Miners and their families, it was a hard and difficult time they shouldn't be condemned for standing up to Thatcher the Dictator. Have a bit of pride.

Reply Posted by kilkenny on Thursday November 28 2013 at 09:28
Dictator? Jeez, another Scargill puppet.

Reply Posted by sarah on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 15:28
As the daughter of a hard working miner, and having lived through the strike myself, I will look forward to seeing this film :-)

Reply Posted by dan on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 15:41
Very proud of the miners; and Barnsley was a proper community then. Not like now with all the sniping and back biting.At least the miners fought for their jobs, nowadays people just take any crap thrown at them from the government

Reply Posted by ithinkneilisanobtoo on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 16:11
Why will it drag Barnsley into the gutter? Clearly someone was a thatcher follower or believes they know the real working class miners who knew what they where fighting for ,i think not !. If it documents people who have common sence in Barnsley the film should be very interesting and give a fair view and reason's to those who where affected.

Reply Posted by Shaun Malpass on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 16:14
All these people that are self opinionated how many worked in pits . 16 generations of my family work there not one a scab .Another thing tuc should of got of there fat arses and backed working clssses thats what they are there for

Reply Posted by Coal not Dole on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 17:46
Proud to be a Miners daughter and will definitely be watching this. Hopefully people, including Neil, will see how brave the miners were to face up to Maggie. It's a shame they didn't win because we are dependant on imports of coal for Power Stations. The jobs in the mines were real jobs that started with a real apprenticeship and real wages, not like most jobs today!! Maggie used all her might to destroy the Miners strike, Police from the Met and The Army, ask any a Police officer who worked the strike how much they earned in overtime??!! She may have destryoed the mining industry but she will never destroy the comradeship I had the pleasure of witnessing through out the strike!! 3000+ people who attended the 'alternative Maggie funeral' in Goldthorpe showed the world that.

Reply Posted by Dave on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 19:03
You had the pleasure of witnessing the 'alternative Maggie Funeral'?

I was ashamed and I was no Maggie fan.

Destroyed the mining industry? Labour shut more pits down than Maggie and the Tories ever did.


Reply Posted by lol on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 19:41
3000+ people watching a bonfire on a day of work? That's a lot of unemployed people in Goldthorpe aint it? Or are you going to tell me it was their day off?

Oh, 2500 of those were below the age of 25, so where were all the ex miners Coal not Dole not Educated?

Reply Posted by Fred on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 19:53
Dave is right.

Labour- Number of pits shut down: 290

Thatcher/Tories -Number of pits shut down: 160

The mining industry was well in decline before Thatcher was in power.

Where was the support for the other 290 pits then Coal not Dole?

Reply Posted by frank ringwold on Tuesday December 3 2013 at 19:46
Goldthorpe should be left to rot after that ridiculous display , I am ashamed that village is part of our borough.

Reply Posted by walt on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 18:26
when a prime minister of a country stands up and calls working class people the enemy with in .it shows how out of touch she was with reality


Reply Posted by Fred on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 20:31
So its alright for Labour to shut down 290 pits then observer?

You're one of the idiots Scargill brainwashed then. Muppet!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 23:12
Does it really matter that labour shut more pits than Thatcher / Tories did.

The writing was already on the wall and the Tories did indeed start the ball rolling BEFORE the strike by bringing in coal from Poland (ironic isn't it?).

She had already crushed the Steel workers and Dockers before and her exact quote about the miners was "the enemy within" so it was only a matter of time before she went on to her next victims.

We all had family members that were directly affected by the strike and once tight knot communities like Grimethorpe, Woolley and Goldthorpe have been decimated beyond comprehension.

Slightly off at a tangent here but, when the pits were open the pubs were always busy....

Our town has never recovered since the pits were closed and the laughable thing is the main industry that replaced the pits were bloody call centres!

One final thing I will add is that in order to move forward you have to look back...

Reply Posted by Rubydoo on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 20:59
Mixed feelings about this film as my husband was a striking miner and it is still painful to remember this period in our history.

Reply Posted by Fawkes on Friday November 29 2013 at 00:09
YOU SHOULD BE PROUD OF YOUR CONTRIBUTION. TO FIGHT AGAINST GOVERNMENT BULLIES

Reply Posted by The real Fred on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 21:42
Fred I agree 100% with you, BUT GET YOUR OWN NAME !!!

Reply Posted by wtf on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 22:25
Are you some kind of idiot fred? Or maybe a wind-up merchant? Coming out with that bollocks on a Barnsley forum. You're fully aware what thatcher did to the miners and this town nobhead

Reply Posted by FR on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 07:35
@wtf

He is not winding anyone up they are facts. I have sympathy with the ex miners and their famliys but like Fred said the mininig industry was well in decline before the Tories took over. You can't keep pointing the finger at them, your beloved Labour shut a lot more pits down than the Tories, I hear no blame pointing at them, but I suppose that was down to the crook Scargil who brainwashed these miners and then tossed them aside like a peice of rubbish when he had finished with them.

Why does Labour never get any of the blame when the shut more pits down? You sound fickle.

Looking back now maybe it was the right decsion, You hear about these ex miners suffering with these terrible illnesses and so on. Factories stand where pits once stood, it's time to move on.


Reply Posted by kilkenny on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 23:48
As a teenager in Barnsley during the strike, my parents bought me a piano as I was learning at the time. We visited a house to buy the piano and the dad was a striking miner. He was so desperate to sell the piano he tried to sell it to my parents for far less than it was worth. My dad refused and gave him more than it was worth. His poor wife burst into tears. Brings a lump to my throat when I think about it now.

Reply Posted by cristine kilkenny on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 07:59
All your posts are boring and pointless,now be a good girl and make me breakfast,and you no how I like my eggs chuckie!!!x

Reply Posted by FR on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 08:22
Boring and pointless? Does the truth hurt chuckie? You're that weak you only hear what you want to hear.

No wonder Barnsley is a laughing stock with the likes of kilkenny living here. I bet you were bullied at school and just went along with the majority for an easy life didn't you? Jog on son and do one, you're embarrasing.

Reply Posted by FAWKES on Friday November 29 2013 at 00:10
good on you

Reply Posted by kilkenny on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 23:52
STEVEO - You are right mate. Call centres (tertiary industry) replaced mining (primary industry).

Reply Posted by Mad Bad & Dangerous to know on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 07:46
I hope they tell the truth about The Unions too, my local at the time of the strike was The Junction down Doncaster Road. I worked away in construction at the time & every time I got back to Barnsley I'd get the guys from th strike a beer or 2. The Junction was where donated foodstuffs arrived for distribution, & I saw with my own eyes well connected Union men helping themselves to the best of what was offer, no regard for miners with familes. I stopped putting my hand in my pocket after that

Reply Posted by Dawn on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 07:51
Stevo will be on your back talking about unions like that if you're not careful.


Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday November 29 2013 at 20:56
I I remember you now dawny poos, weren't you the disgruntled nhs worker that said, was it GMB or UNISON was shit, I cant remember?

Reply Posted by jase on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 08:12
Scargill and the Union men were the real crooks of the Miners Strike. I really hope the truth does come out.

The good people of Barnsley need to look at lot closer to home, FACT!

Reply Posted by kilkenny on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 08:14
@Christine Kilkenny - My stalker is back folks. Banging on about transgender folk again. Now darling, please learn to spell. It is Bethnal Green not Bethnel Green! You are so thick.

Now do you prefer pre or post op trannies?

Reply Posted by kilkenny on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 08:15
@christine kilkenny - now jog on and beat your wife up. You obviously have a problem with your sexuality. If you were comfortable with it you would not keep going on and on about transgender people.

Now tell me what happened in Thailand.

Reply Posted by wtf on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 11:10
The argument labour shut more pits than the tories is pointless and ludicrous. The fact is thatcher killed the industry off and did it with relish. Thats why she is hated and always will be round here. Ok then plan A close all the pits down. What was plan B? What are the thousands left without jobs supposed to do? Answer: she didn't have one because she didn't care. She'd won so she left them to rot and the town too

Reply Posted by observer on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 11:20
fred it appears you are the only muppet on this debate. obviously beleiving in that thatcher bastard. the government are always and will always be an enemy. the miners were fighting a cause. for everyone.niot just themselves.

Reply Posted by Fred on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 17:08
Why did they not fight for the 290 pits Labour shut down then? Please explain, ta!

@wtf

It is not pointless and ludicrous. The point i'am making is you just can't blame Thatcher for shutting pits down when Labour shut down more.

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 17:24
I like most on here come from mining stock and lived through the strike. However if you know anything about history and politics you will know that the Thatcher government took down the miners in retaliation for the Union led strikes of the 70's where many people walked out for huge payrises. This was under labour and it started the decline of not just the pits. It was due to all this that the southerners now hate the public sector and why the current tories are trying to break the local area.
I do not think that a load of unemployed wasters who probably never had any links to the pits, burning an effigy of Thatcher, helped the local economy and certainly they have destroyed the chance of any one in Goldthorpe ever selling their houses on in the future.

Reply Posted by len on Thursday November 28 2013 at 14:57
Purple Haze.go put your head in the oven..

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Thursday November 28 2013 at 15:34
Truth hurts eh Len?

Reply Posted by Alright said Fred on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 17:31
Fred are you a bit thick?

Reply Posted by King Fred on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 17:39
No. I take it I upset you? Yes? No problem.

Reply Posted by Ken on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 17:35
Goldthorpe can kiss goodbye to any future investment aswell. Disgraceful scenes.

Reply Posted by Neil on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 18:05
In their last full year of operation before the (ilegal) pit strike, British Coal made a loss of 485 milion. That figure excludes the subsidy received by British Coal from the electricity generating companies who were being forced to buy British Coal at an above market price simply to keep unprofitable mines open. If this 'subsidy' is taken in to account, British Coal was losing 727 million per year. That is equal to 1.4 billion pounds in todays prices.

Scargill is responsable for the closure of Englands mines. He demanded ever higher wages from an industry that was losing money hand-over-fist for years. Add this to the number of days lost to Scargill and it was no wonder that the english coal industry was on its knees.

Lets hope you see the truth for yourself.

Reply Posted by Ken on Thursday November 28 2013 at 08:30
All in all then, they had no choice but close the pits unfortunately.


Reply Posted by Fred on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 19:36
Correct again. Scargill was bleeding this country dry, it took the courage of Maggie Thatcher to stand up to this communist bully.


Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday November 28 2013 at 18:29
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the "courage" of Thatcher?

She was that "courageous" that she ruined our country beyond all comprehension when she got rid of our manufacturing industries and paved the way for the move into the service industry.


Reply Posted by Fred on Friday November 29 2013 at 08:41
STEVEO, the country was in a complete mess when she took over. We were the 'sick man of europe' but she got the UK back up and running. There are a few things I didn't agree with, but whos perfect? If you're going to slate her for the things she did wrong you have to praise her for the good she did.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday November 29 2013 at 21:03
Fred, manufacturing in 1980 - 27% GDP - Manufacturing in 1986 - 21% GDP - manufacturing in 1990 - 16% GDP - Manufacturing in 2013 - 9% GDP.

TOtal loss of GDP over those years 35+% (est) GDP

You cannot have a major European "super" manufacturer whos gross domestic product was almost 30% in 1980 moved to the service industry and not have any ramifications!

Germany hasn't been effected by the credit crunch / financial collapse BECAUSE THEY STILL MAKE THINGS!

Reply Posted by Better red than Fred on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 20:01
The wind-up merchants are boring tonight Zzzzz

Reply Posted by Fred on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 20:07
No wind up, just fact!

Jog on.

Reply Posted by observer on Thursday November 28 2013 at 14:14
fred. when a govt puts a policy in place. it is very rare that the following govt will change anything. the miners had meetings and voted on action against pit closures. FACT. whatever happened after that was nothing to do with the union rules. now. i repeat. the governments (whichever party it is) are the enemy. you should applaud what the miners went through at that time. we are now in a shithol that the tories put us in. even thoughts of re opening some mines too. which proves there is coal. we are sat on our own resources.

Reply Posted by Jo on Thursday November 28 2013 at 14:50
I was the 3rd child of 6 ! My dad was a miner ! And he went on strike with his friends.! We struggled but it united a community ! My mum worked in the soup kitchens and us kids went and supported them.! Thinking our lives would be better! And our lives would ave been better if everyone would ave stuck it out.! Margaret Thatcher ruined our communities ! Let the truth be told.!

Reply Posted by Jo on Thursday November 28 2013 at 14:52
Well said observer

Reply Posted by Jo on Thursday November 28 2013 at 14:54
Fred you know nothing pal

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Thursday November 28 2013 at 15:36
You were a child Jo at the time and so saw it through your parents eyes. Go and research the past properly, go and get an understanding of politics and how the world works instead of doing as most do in the area and repeat a load of old cobblers. It is an urban myth and no I am not a tory voter nor do I read the Sun.

Reply Posted by diane conway on Thursday November 28 2013 at 15:04
Lets see the truth come out now. I supported my husband through that strike and he was a hard working man as were all the miners. Id love to see half of the people who slag the miners off go down that mine,they would crap themselves

Reply Posted by Fred on Thursday November 28 2013 at 16:21
Use google and reserch it if you can't wait. The pits were losing money right left and centre. Are you telling me jo they should have kept them open when they were losing so much money? Thatcher and the Tories even bailed them out on a couple of occasions.

The truth might hurt but its FACT!

Reply Posted by ..... on Thursday November 28 2013 at 17:15
Why the name change Richard? You and purple haze talk the biggest load of crap on Wab

Reply Posted by Fred on Thursday November 28 2013 at 17:31
No name change son. Maybe myself, Richard and purple haze are the ones that talk SENCE on WAB. Just because we don't for vote Labour doesn't mean we talk crap. The problem with most folk on here is they only hear what they want to hear.

Scargill was a nasty peice of work, his attitude was dogmatic and ideological. When asked how much a pit could make in losses before it was close he replied "the loss is without limits" He was totally unreasonable. If you don't want to hear it from myself, do your reserch.

What you find might hurt but it's the TRUTH!

Reply Posted by grammar police on Saturday November 30 2013 at 19:46
"SENCE"

6/10

SEE ME AFTER CLASS FRED.

Reply Posted by Fred on Saturday November 30 2013 at 21:22
See you after class? Why...........do you want to touch me up or something?

Perv!

Reply Posted by ..... on Thursday November 28 2013 at 17:37
So you're going to keep up with the pretence? Ha this will be good 'son'

Reply Posted by Fred on Thursday November 28 2013 at 17:44
Im woried for you now, you're just as bad as Tony. He thought I was fw.

Go and do something worth while like doing a bit of research on the miners strike. You're festering away, its making you paranoid.


Reply Posted by ..... on Thursday November 28 2013 at 18:04
So tory boy Richard as done a bit of reading on his computer sat on his arse, and now he is an expert on the miners strike and late 70's/ early 80's politics. What an absolute tool, I bet you weren't even born. 'son'. Just goes to show you know an awful lot about absolutely f**k all

Reply Posted by Fred on Thursday November 28 2013 at 18:38
Oh dear. Fred not Richard has not been reading on his computer as I know all the facts. I was telling you to go and read your computer. You have a problem listening.

Calm down son, you will have an heart attack.


Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:08
Fred it.s past your bedroom and you have to go tuck Richard in,,night night Zzzzz

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday November 28 2013 at 18:24
Has it been announced when its on? Anyone know?

Reply Posted by ..... on Thursday November 28 2013 at 18:49
Whats with the weird alter- ego? Your not well young un. Is Fred a new macho side Richard? Your inner Norman Tebbit perhaps? Ha ha,you're still the funniest poster on Wab lad, unintentionally of course. The Great British tory eccentric alive and well and living in Barnsley

Reply Posted by Fred on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:09
If that makes you happy, fair enough. You're the one thats going to look stupid when the people of Barnsley finally find out the TRUTH.

Scargill and the union men went power crazy, the miners suffered because of this.

Did you really think Scargill cared about the miners? He couldn't give a toss!

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:13
Hey Fred, I think Scargill set off with good intentions but then it got personal,he changed from a union man to a politician. By that time he had too many enemies he could never win.

Reply Posted by Fred on Friday November 29 2013 at 08:07
You might be right there Sid. The man was a crazy though, it was more personal to him, he couldn't stand the thought of losing to Thatcher. He even went to Mikhail Gorbachev and Colonel Gaddafi for finances in his quest to defeat her.

He couldn't give a toss about the miners, but the miners idolise him like a teenage girl idolise One Direction. They were putty in his hands, and still are.

Reply Posted by sid on Friday November 29 2013 at 09:32
Well not sure Fred, I do think many miners have realised that he took things too far and lost the plot. Trouble is,he wasn't the only one. I remember sitting in my local at the side of a union man [yes he was drinking] and he was bragging that he had accepted £500 to stand in to make a speech for Anne Scargill as she was unavailable. I challenged him,saying it was immoral if he kept the fee as many others were out bucket rattling! He was embarrassed,and I never found out if he kept the fee. Such as that guy let the miners down,I'm from mining background, and did all I could to help. Transport, food etc. Its was a sad story all round and it went from an honest heart felt strike to a mess. The miners are not fools ,they know they were let down. They were kicked by their own...by some, not all. But that's how things are, not all strikers were prepared too stay true, there were the few that grabbed opportunities. I hope that union guy I mentioned did the right thing with the fee. Its not good to knock the strike though,look what losing the battle has led to! Zero hours contracts and a real step backwards for the working mans rights,many of which were negotiated by the miners in years gone by. Go to the mining museum,in parts its heart breaking and it shows just how much the people in power once kept the workers down. We are all sheep if truth be known.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday December 1 2013 at 09:17
Agree with that Sid, especially the bit about the watering down of union legislation and the anti - union legislation that the Tories introduced.
If you look at the employment and anti union legislation that the Tories have introduced ever time they have been in power in greater detail, it is not for good reading and this is exactly why workers find themselves in the era of zero hours contracts and employment only via agencies.

The Tories recently repealed one massive piece of legislation that protected workers from unscrupulous employers and now if a worker wants to claim compensation against their employer for an injury sustained @ work, the onus is now on the employee to prove that the employer was negligent, whereas before the onus was on the employer to prove they weren't negligent.

Yet another piece of anti union legislation as a large majority of claims against employers where do through union solicitors.
AND no win no fee solicitors.

The Tories have great fear of trade unions as they don't want them to have any powers like they used to have and that is why they constantly change legislation to combat this.
They also constantly change employment legislation as it keeps "workers in line and subservient" which goes a great way to helping out their rich industrialist cohorts to maximise their profits by suppression of wages and keeping the people they employ in line.

Our country and industrial relations have suffered massively at the hands of the Tories and whilst ever they are in power relations will only get worse.

Don't be fooled for one minute that Labour would be any better, the last time they were in power under Blair they promised the union movement that they would repeal several pieces of anti union legislation but that simply did not happen and that is why I will never vote Labour again whilst ever I have breath in my lungs.
Not only that, Milliband is about as charismatic as a wet haddock!

Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:18
Sid@ Scargill was a Legend! now do one clown prince.

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:21
OK Lolkenny.

Reply Posted by Dawn on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:22
@Kilkenny.Go back under that stone you was found under..

Reply Posted by ..... on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:20
Sid all that Richard knows about this subject is what he has read on the internet. Just another excuse to spew out his tory bile

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:28
Well maybe Richard uoght to have a visit to the mining museum. It brought me to tears and made me see just what my dad did as a tailgate ripper. It opened my eyes for sure, and I thought I knew all about the mining industry. How wrong I was. As I said,I'm sure Scargill set off on the right footing,but then he got pissed on power. It was futile and devastating... Still is.

Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:45
Evening STEVEO.

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:48
Its not Steveo! But thanks for the compliment,he is way more knowledgeable than I am.

Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:52
I meant the post above you sid.

STEVEO just googles his crap. Try it and you'll see.

The net is closing in.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday November 30 2013 at 19:49
Being in the upper echelons of the trade union movement, I have access to many many databases, so no need to google for this lad.

Reply Posted by Richard on Saturday November 30 2013 at 19:56
STEVEO. So boring Zzzzzzzzzzzz

Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:33
Sid did your dad ever catch Jack? when he was Tailgating him..

Reply Posted by ke on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:35
@........

would you keep pumping tax payers money into something that wasn't making any money? the mines werent profitable, what don't you understand?

Reply Posted by Dawn on Thursday November 28 2013 at 19:43
Hey ........

Are you Arthur Scargills love chid?

I always thought you were STEVEO's

My bad!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday November 30 2013 at 19:56
Oh dear, the GMB / Unison badly done to member Is on bringing me into the argument again.

Reply Posted by Dawn on Monday December 2 2013 at 09:26
Well, well, well STEVEO.........

The man who said I was "out of the world of work and a lost cause" How wrong you was, which isn't normal for you now is it. This is the man or boy who jumped on me for having an opinion on the miltiant unions of the 70's and yes, I was having a problem with a GMB rep, but have now moved over to UNISON. Yes my agument about said rep was found out to be right thank you very much!

Oh, Im now Ward Sister now so im climbing the NHS ladder very quickly thank you very much. Not bad for an out of work bimbo eh?


Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 3 2013 at 19:59
Dawn, why on earth would you suggest that I have uttered the ""out of the world of work and a lost cause" and "out of work bimbo" words?

I can remember us having words re unions and knew that you had a problem with your union rep either gmb/unison and that you were a nurse.

I think the above quoted comments were not from me as it is not my (classic) style.

Perhaps it was another STEVEO imposter?

You mentioned my name in the original post so I mentioned yours.

P.S I refer you to the miners strike post from November whereby my true feelings on Scargill are on show for everyone to see.

Reply Posted by Sarah on Thursday November 28 2013 at 22:23
The figures claiming that the mines were losing money have been found to be incorrect, as included in these figures were future redundancy costs, wind down costs etc etc, it is a shame that at the time a competent accountant was not found to properly scrutinise the figures that were being banded about in the press & that have been accepted since as fact into the publics consciousness.
***There is a good book by Edgar Wilson - A very British miracle: the failure of Thatcherism - which gives info on this, he also names the academic / researcher who discovered this but I can't remember off the top of my head. Sorry.

Reply Posted by luke on Friday November 29 2013 at 07:45
LOL. They were losing money sarah, get over it.

Reply Posted by Sarah on Sunday December 1 2013 at 19:54
Reckon it would be cool if people learned the truth & not just accept what they have been fed as justification for the pits closing. But if you're not really bothered that's your prerogative.

Reply Posted by cheif on Thursday November 28 2013 at 22:50
that photo was technically taken in rotherham so...

Reply Posted by Jimmy on Friday November 29 2013 at 08:44
Labour did close pits but they did it for different reasons than the Tories. Mining is an extractive industry, a pit has a take, a geographical area which to mine coal from which has a finite amount of coal and takes into account geological conditions and other pit's reserves bordering it. As soon as a pit opens it is contributing to its eventual demise. When a pit's reserves are exhausted or cannot be mined economically long term or safely the decision to close is made. The trade unions do not dispute this and the pit is closed, this is what happened under Labour pre-1979.

Fast forward to the Tories and perfectly viable pits, some the most productive in Europe are shut for nothing more than political dogma. Nothing whatsoever to do with economics, just pure vindictiveness and a will to punish the miners for standing up for their industry and communities. I hate the way that the strike is being portrayed as solely Scargill v Thatcher. It was conducted by thousands of ordinary miners and their families versus the apparatus of the state. If a fraction of the cash found for the police at the time was pumped into the mining industry we would now be a world leader instead of the third world sweat shop we are now. There are millions of tonnes of coal under our feet which could have been mined at well below world market prices by a workforce that regularly smashed production records. How much taxpayers' money has been spent on regenerating former economically viable colliery sites? History is being rewritten as we speak and all you people who fall for the Tories lies about the coal industry losing money are deluded fools.

Reply Posted by LOL@Jimmy on Friday November 29 2013 at 09:12
LMAO and there we have it ladies and gentlemen. Take you Labour blinkers of you idiot, you are a car crash waiting to happen,

Reply Posted by Jimmy on Friday November 29 2013 at 09:18
I am neither a Labour supporter nor an idiot. Idiots are people like you with a poor grasp of written English. Good luck in the job market, it's harsh out there.

Reply Posted by Fred on Friday November 29 2013 at 09:24
Oh dear, if you only knew. I have a job son. What do you do?

Reply Posted by Jimmy on Friday November 29 2013 at 09:35
I have a job too although thankfully not with patronising people like you.

Reply Posted by Fred on Friday November 29 2013 at 09:37
It seems I have an imposter now, but I do agree Fred.

Reply Posted by sid on Friday November 29 2013 at 09:45
Just to add to my earlier post. The ex miner that took us underground mentioned the strike for all of 3 minutes. He did not bash the politicians what so ever. He took us round and spoke about life in coal with pride and dignity. It was actually very humbling and made me proud of my family. All those that slate the miners need an hour with that guy,see what you think then.

Reply Posted by Fred on Friday November 29 2013 at 09:51
Nobody is slating the miners mate. If people did really care about the miners(which im sure they do) they surely what to know the truth don't they? Scargill was an horrible man and he has to take the blame for what happend.

Scargill lives in luxuary now, that says it all.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday December 1 2013 at 09:25
This may come as a surprise but I am no Scargill fan.

However, I do admire the miners and their struggle as they were the only ones that dared defy Thatcher, yes they paid the ultimate price and the industry was decimated.

People constantly say on here "the miners strike was nearly 30 years ago, the miners need to move on" whether you come from a mining family or not, the mining industry is ingrained in the souls of thousands of Barnsley folk.

Irrespective of ones feeling on the miners and the mining industry, I am proud of our mining heritage and I'm even more proud of the miners that dared to defy Thatcher and her cronies.


Reply Posted by sid on Friday November 29 2013 at 10:12
You're probably right there Fred about Scargill,s personality. In my naivety, at the time hadn't realised he and some of his mates were getting paid for making speeches. I admired his passion though and again do think that in the beginning he was trying to do the right thing,but as with the guy I mentioned earlier, greed and power took over and he lost the plot. It makes me think though, if he had stayed true to his original cause what things would have been like now ? We,all never know.

Reply Posted by ..... on Friday November 29 2013 at 11:38
Ayup Fred son, seen owt of Richard? Strange how he's not posted on this thread, you'd have thought it was right up his street. Ha ha you're so funny son

Reply Posted by may on Friday November 29 2013 at 18:07
Iam glad someone has piped up about this. I agree with a few posters, Mr Scargill and the Union Men were the real crooks of the miners strike.

Mr Scargill and the Union Men were getting paid well while the strike was on while the miners were struggling to put food on the table. The pits were leaking money and Mr Scargill knew it but he was that obssesd with trying to defeat Mrs Thatcher.

The pits were well past their sell by date, I even had family members die through illnesses caused from working down the pit. Would any WAB's want their family members working dow the pit now knowing the health problems caused by mining?

I saw all this first hand. I would not want my children working down the pit that's for sure.

PS

I think the carry on at Goldthorpe when Mrs Thatcher died was an utter disgrace, they should all be ashamed of themselves. It's time to move on for Gods sake.

Reply Posted by Kfc on Friday November 29 2013 at 18:30
Brought up in the estate where mining was a way of life. I myself never worked in the pits it was too dark for me.

What I can say leaving Scargill and the Unions to one side. The Miners of that strike can be very proud of solidarity and there belief in there workmates.

Britain today has become a worse place to live and WORK following the strike.

All political parties at the time and today have no respect or indeed time for the working class.

The day the miners lost the strike is the day the Country and working people lost there rights.

My father in law who worked in the pits all his life once said " I have lived and worked the best years this country has to offer.

How right he was.


Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday November 30 2013 at 19:59
Totally agree and well said kfc

Reply Posted by sid on Friday November 29 2013 at 19:30
Well said KFC.

Reply Posted by sid on Saturday November 30 2013 at 21:54
Does anyone know when its on telly please?

Reply Posted by Fred on Monday December 2 2013 at 08:37
Sometime next year sid.

Reply Posted by sid on Monday December 2 2013 at 08:42
Thanks @fred. The debate will start all over again then. Haha.

Reply Posted by Cammo on Sunday December 1 2013 at 21:20
Well love or hate the miners unions etc. where paying for what that evil horrible cow did to our coal industry. Bet your all the first to complain about energy costs because we are been held to ransom by other countries for our energy, we cannot produce our own. Thanks to thatcher glad she had gone! Don't forget she destroyed steel industry before she took on the miners!

Reply Posted by M day on Sunday December 1 2013 at 21:53
I was a miner and stayed out the entire 12 months many comments on here some reactionary some well meaning but sadly none are really the truth the only real appraisal has been given on wsws.org, scargill started from a position of no perspective whereas Thatcher did Scargills perspective was the plan for coal this was a plan that served the interest of british coal and the union bureaucracy that's why the miners strike failed. History is important for workers to assimilate and to understand, there isnt one union that represents the class interests of workers. They are the policemen who keep workers in check and suppress the class consciousness of workers.

Reply Posted by Phantom on Sunday December 1 2013 at 21:57
STEVEO just floored Fred for the 10 count. Hahaha.

I wasn't a miner or a miners son, hell I'm not even from Barnsley, but I do live here now.

Thatcher completely ruined this part of the country and I see it everyday. I see the scars, the pain, the anguish. The old boy who sits in the pub corner sipping his bitter, he was a miner. I've never spoken to him but I know he was, I can see it in his eyes!!

I've heared the stories from people who were there and I believe those versions over anything written on google. Just because it's on the Internet Fred doesn't mean it's true!

I believe thatcher referred to the miners as the enemy within...ironic really...as the only enemys within these days are the Tories!!!

Funny how we slate people for burning "Thatcher", yet people have been burning "Guy Fawkes" for centuries.

What people would do to have him around these days eh??

(Before people start moaning, I'm not saying I agree with it, just saying how funny it is that times have changed)

Reply Posted by Dawn on Monday December 2 2013 at 09:17
Would you still want to live here with all the smog and dirt that comes with mining Phantom.

I hear stories to from ex- miners aswell who were there. I worked with one, he was a charge nurse. He said he wouldn't go down another pit to work for all the tea in China! He has better himself instead of sitting in the pub all day moaning about it. He wasn'tthe only one either, his ex-work mates have all gone on to better things too.

Reply Posted by Fred on Monday December 2 2013 at 08:34
So you're telling me the folk of Barnsley can't move on after 30 years? Do you think the pits would be safe to work down now? Have you heard about the terrible illnessess theses ex-miners have? They would be shut now anyway that's for sure.

30 years on and you can see the scars, pain and anguish? They should try moving on then shouldn't they?


Son, I don't need to google anything, I know the facts, Believe me.

STEVO has floored no one.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 3 2013 at 20:06
Fred, its STEVEO.

Whats this flooring business?

Seriously, people read far too much into things on here, we all add our opinions on various topics and we don't always agree, would be a very sad world if we were all the same automatons doing the same things day in day out wouldn't it?

There is a bigger world out there, a place much nicer than sitting behind a keyboard and slagging folk off on here....

Yeah, I know I am one of the worst people for constantly posting on here, but it is strangely addictive....

Reply Posted by Fred on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 17:00
Apologies STEVEO

Reply Posted by sid on Monday December 2 2013 at 08:59
I think everyone agrees with you Fred,but its what's come after that's rubbish. Zero hours contracts and the rest of it. There's no one to represent the ordinary working man, the unions were needed back then and after fighting for better conditions for all, much of the fight has gone and is now lost. Its unfair that Asos etc can be allowed to change the rules. You know Fred,we will all suffer if employment rules keep getting trashed.

Reply Posted by Dave on Monday December 2 2013 at 09:04
Most of the pits that were closed for " losing money " were using a method called retreat mining. Roadways were made to the pits coal boundary. Coal was cut back between the road ways, hence called retreat mining. Whilst the roadway was being made the pit showed a loss. When the coal was being cut, the pit showed a huge profit. All the machinery was salvageable, when the coal had been taken.
Some of the normal coal production left all the machinery. They were mismanaged by the government due to a lack of knowledge.

Reply Posted by sid on Monday December 2 2013 at 09:11
@dave. You're probably right! The rest of us wouldn't know that. I can't see what our country had to gain by putting all the men out of work, look at it now. Our areas and others are spoilt. The way the politicians handle our finances it does seem like they have no clue,and as for the engineering side to the industry,they will have had no idea.

Reply Posted by ken on Monday December 2 2013 at 11:03
funny how scargill only wanted to strike when they shut cortonwood down, aswell as the rest that followed. what about the other 300 pits?

Reply Posted by Mark Timmins on Saturday March 29 2014 at 22:05
Scargill didn't call the miners out they called themselves out arthur did the decent thing and supported the membership he favoured an overtime ban and a work to rule.the miners had a clear choice die on your feet or live on your knees to their everlasting credit they chose the first option.to many posts on here from keyboard tory warriors relying on hearsay and google



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