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School Hits Back After Parents Take To Facebook

Monday November 11 2013

A SCHOOL has hit back at claims on We Are Barnsley's Facebook page that it's isolated dozens of pupils for wearing unsuitable trousers and banned them from wearing Remembrance Day poppies.

Parents flooded to the page last week, criticising Kirk Balk Community College's uniform policy.

One parent, Jane Rockett, said: "There are probably more kids in isolation at Kirk Balk today than anywhere else due to their trousers being an inch tighter at the bottom than they should be. Wish teachers would concentrate on teaching."

Joanne Harper-Hall posted: "One of my sons said most of the school was in isolation today. They both used to love school and never wanted to miss a day but they hate it now. They should be enjoying their school years. Apparently no poppies are allowed this year, they're banned!"

But Kirk Balk strongly defended its uniform policy and denied poppies were banned.

It said the Facebook comments sprang from 'malicious gossip' and the focus should instead be on its positive Ofsted report, which came out this week.

The college said it had written to parents last week about uniform policy after some pupils pushed the rules.

The letter said: "Currently staff time is being taken up dealing with uniform issues. Of real concern is the wearing of short skirts and leggings.

"These are inappropriate in a college setting. Whilst we are reluctant to interrupt learning, it may be deemed necessary to send students home to change their clothes if they continue to wear non-uniform clothing."

Vice principal Roger Goodwin said: "We have got malicious gossip on Facebook driving the agenda.

"There were people saying pupils couldn't wear poppies for Remembrance Day, whereas in fact we had a strong week of remembrance in school including assemblies for each year group, and a thought for the day.

"We sold poppies in school encouraging students to wear them during the remembrance period."

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Reply Posted by lauren on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:15
Well I think that it's doesn't matter what clothes they wear as long as they attend school

Reply Posted by chan on Monday November 18 2013 at 10:57
agreed kids but uniform is a safety form but it doesn't hurt to wear nice acceptable trouser aslong as they have there school logo whats it matter but banning poppys is disgusting

Reply Posted by Asme on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:22
Every one moans in the area how bad that school is. Now they are finally doing something about it, parents should support them. Uniform is in place for a reason and parents should unite with the school and support teachers. Schools everywhere else are just as strict but these kids just aren't used to being told what to do. when my child goes to Kirk balk or any other comp school i will only provide suitable uniform as detailed as that's what a responsible parent does. It is the imperative the school has zero tollence even on "small trivial" issues such as these or all the small issues add up to a big issue and nobody wants there kids going to a school with a big issue do they.
Gets me so mad, the parent agree and sign a form regarding uniform. They know the rules. If they don't like it they should send there child else where, bet the kids still wouldn't want to go to that school either as there policy will be the same but enforced for years so people don't make a fuss about it.

Reply Posted by Fed up on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:24
Why is it SO hard for parents just to buy their children CORRECT school uniforms? It really isn't hard. When you get a REAL job you are expected to adhere to work uniform, if not, you're sacked. I'm on the schools side - gear kids up for the real world, so that the next generation arn't lazy, feckless dole wallers. It shows a sense of pride, respect and maturity to be able to wear the correct clothing. God, it really isn't that hard is it.

Reply Posted by Joanne Copley on Monday November 11 2013 at 13:00
We are not saying the kids should not wear uniform as all the kids do at Kirkbalk do its the style and material that we all have issue's with you are all having a go at the kids why not have a look at some of the staff dress i have seen some of them going round showing more breast then should be allowed and short skirts which is not good when you have young boys with hormones going on and one teacher wearing bright coloured tights

Reply Posted by ??? on Monday November 11 2013 at 15:00
What's so bad about bright tights? How will that affect the pupil's learning? As a lecturer I really couldn't care less what my students wear (save for Onesies...nightwear for school should be restricted to Children in Need day) but I have to agree, it brings a sense of uniformity of the learners, encourages learning and stops families on lower incomes feeling under pressure to provide named brand clothes.
When they have a job they'll be required to follow rules on what they can and can't wear. There's probably nothing in the teacher's job description saying they can't wear colourful tights but I'm hazarding a guess that they'll be responsible enough to know when something is too short, too low cut or not appropriate for their position; school students don't have that sense of professionalism about them yet and need to learn to follow the rules to get to that level.

Reply Posted by jimbo on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:32
Well said and as a further thought, these students should be made to wear their uniforms correctly as well, ie ties knotted and worn properly, shirts tucked in and shoes cleaned

Reply Posted by chloe on Sunday November 17 2013 at 18:18
well said joanne its a joke that school atm! its really just a joke my sister don't even want to go to school anymore! Kids wear uniform teachers should where uniforms and set them an example, is that what there saying there trying to do x

Reply Posted by Beth on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:26
I'm glad schools still have a strict uniform policy, gets kids ready for the working world

Reply Posted by carl on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:15
The college said it had written to parents last week about uniform policy after some pupils pushed the rules. Theres your problem it classes its self sa a collage and not a school its bowt time they went back to basic's and back to schools instead of these collage/academies. And to betting them ready for working world what working world

Reply Posted by Dave on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 09:18

Reply Posted by jace on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:28
School is for learning its not a fashion parade uniforms are to make all students the same.....!!!!!!

Reply Posted by Sarah on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:28
Omg! Are we living in the uk or usa?? Vice principal pfft whats wrong with depty head it seemed to work fine Few years ago. That school will never be like it was 15-20yrs ago

Reply Posted by Ray on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:34
Its not a college either, it's a school.

Reply Posted by Louise on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:29
The teachers at that school should start wearing uniform & no make up or jewellery ...they care more about uniform than what they do about bullying too,the school needs a good shake up !

Reply Posted by .... on Monday November 11 2013 at 15:04
Why exactly? These are professional people. They haven't invented the rule, they have to enforce these rule enforced by the Governers. You weren't allowed make up or jewellery when I was at school; you're not in a lot of jobs. If a uniform was brought into place the teachers would no doubt wear it; they get paid to do as they're told.

Reply Posted by Leah on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:31
Pathetic why can't girls wear leggings with skirts? I suppose 'footless tights' would be within the guidelines surely keeping these kids warm and in good health while they're eager for an education means they'd be happier in the school environment it's no wonder our kids don't want too go never mind playground bullies seems too me the teachers are worse

Reply Posted by Lynne52" on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:32
I have had four granddaughters in your school do you no how hard it is to find decent quality trousers that fit the requirements and don't cost a fortune it's not easy so a bit of lea way may make everybodies life a bit easyer

Reply Posted by Don on Monday November 11 2013 at 13:02
Yes it's very easy, it's the children that make it hard.

Reply Posted by !!!!!!!! on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 09:18
ASDA, TESCO, SAINSBURYS, thet all do kids clothes

Reply Posted by parent on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:33
Children are being isolated for not having the correct matetial trousers,being an inch too narrow ,parents are following a code provided by the school,items are being bought from school shop departments,the new head has decided she wants to now add more rules.Instead of blaming parents for not buying correct uniform maybe she should sell the ones she thinks are acceptable instead of parents having to keep buying and buying until its good enough for her ??

Reply Posted by sharon on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:34
i complained because my daughter was in right uniform!!! and still put in isolation!! if i hadnt gone into school she would have been there all day missing valueble lesson for her exams!! hence i didnt get a letter home saying uniform was wrong!! so some of us did have a genuine reason to kick off !!!

Reply Posted by viki on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:37
I'm with Louise practise what you preech! I'm a former kirk balk student and its always been the same I once had to buy a new coat because my dusky dull pink wool one was too bright yet many were walking around with those god awful luminous coats n not an eye was flickered!! I know my children's school is only a primary but all the teachers and staff have to wear the school uniform as well as the children. And the uniform is not an issue everyone is the same !!

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:50
My comment on we are barnsley started all this. U cant compare work uniform with school uniform as the company provides the whole lot..even if u do have to pay for it. They tell u what to wear. They dont say black trousers then expect everyone to turn up in the same. I am behind uniform 100%. I just want the school to provide the trousers they want us to buy and not allow any others. Is that too much to ask. Its bad reporting on the part of the chronicle. I am just sick of buying black trousers out of the back to school sections to be told they are wrong.

Reply Posted by fedup of buying trousers on Monday November 11 2013 at 13:18
Well said Jane. If they are black from school section of the stores they recommend they should not be complaining. I too wish they would supply them - but also feel they would need to provide a tailoring service as the children are all different shapes & sizes!

Reply Posted by Joanne Copley on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:53
My kid's go to school everyday in the correct uniform,but the issue is not about them wearing a uniform its about the type of material that they want the trousers to be made of some of the kid's are big and need stretchy material so that they are comfy and some kid's would look daft if they wore very wide legged trouser's then they would get bullied for looking daft and as for getting a letter last week i never got a letter about short skirt's or legging's.I pick my son up from school every thursday and i see all sorts of kids in trousers,skirts with legging and tights under skirts and all the kids look smart in their uniforms so why not leave them just to get on with their education and stop worrying about what type of trousers or skirts they are wearing

Reply Posted by Simon jackson on Monday November 11 2013 at 12:58
Joanne harper hall is a posh bird lol thanus

Reply Posted by joanne harper hall on Monday November 11 2013 at 21:59
lol am not a posh bird,!!!! apparently am a malicious gossip , simonjacksom thanus,.. what i would like to know is when there was 120comments made on that facebook page, why was the only mine and jane rocketts put in the chronicle?? and what wasn,t put in was ,parent find it a struggle sometimes to just go out replacing black trousers ,when they have bought what they think are already the correct style !! pupils are all shapes n sizes ,.an cannot possible be expected to all wear the exact same . and the poppy situation must have it a raw nerve

Reply Posted by confusedparent on Monday November 11 2013 at 13:03
As a parent who has purchased the school uniform 8 weeks ago following the guidelines given by school, I am furious to now find out that they are no longer allowed to wear the stretchy ASDA SCHOOL SECTION trousers! Because they are made of stretchy material! My daughter is comfortable in these SCHOOL trousers. That are a sensible smart design and are in no way fashionable!! If she has to wear trousers that are not comfortable then she will be fidgeting in class & not concentrating on her work. I am all for school uniform but I do think they are taking it to the extreme.

Reply Posted by anon on Monday November 11 2013 at 13:40
hard to believe im reading about a school in barnsley yes school not college as i believe the pupils are 11+ Vice principals instead of deputy heads obviously think its somewhere special lol As for the uniform issue i think those in power have let it go to their heads as personelly i believe as long as each child wears the right coloured trousers/tops/skirts etc whats the problem children go to school to learn an education leave school with qualifications not to be put in isolation as their trousers are the wrong material the mind boggles

Reply Posted by mandy on Monday November 11 2013 at 13:54
Never heard as much rubbish in all my life!! Correct uniform is one thing but school stating what material they must be!?!?! Get a grip kirk balk fgs!! If their black smart trousers whats the problem!?!

Reply Posted by Anon on Monday November 11 2013 at 14:06
Its the same at all these new 'principle' run school, they set out a vague uniform code and complain when it isnt adhered to in the way the school would like it to be interpreted. You will also find certain pupils will be favourited and allowed to wear what they like whilst others will be discriminated against when it is an easy problem to fix by putting the right guidelines in place. Penistone run by 'principle' higgins is appauling for this. They are trying to make these big americanised schools and overlooking the education of the children and victimising certain pupils whilst using a vague uniform code.

Reply Posted by Does no-one read ? on Monday November 11 2013 at 14:12
Hang on.... School says its a load of rubbish... so why are people still bleating !

Reply Posted by linda on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:07
because school are lying as usual, i has a parent went to school as my daughter was in isolation, and the head of year lied to my face until i caught him out then he apolagised

Reply Posted by Sensible on Monday November 11 2013 at 14:14
Why do these Jobsworths with their jumped up titles feel it's ok to deny children a proper education, for whatever reason? They should think that in 10 years, when their prescious "college" is disintegrating around them, these children will be starting out as parents themselves. Give them a proper education that's all most parents want.

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Monday November 11 2013 at 14:34
I do read. Very well actually. I read the uniform requirements prior to my daughter getting her trousers. Yet she still ended up in isolation. So people are still "bleating" because we are the ones who have to go out and buy more trousers which may also be the wrong style/material. I also do not believe everything I read....so just because the school says it is rubbish does not make it so. Obviously they would like to present themselves in the best possible light to prospective parents.

Reply Posted by Collet on Monday November 11 2013 at 14:34
Some parents want to have stroll up Hoyland at lunch time and home time to see how civilised there CHILDREN are,there won't be any disipline in schools when there obviously isn't any disipline at home,there is always some bad apples,who make it bad for the ones who want to play by the rules,sort them out and if they don't like it, find another school,and let them that wants to learn get on with it.

Reply Posted by PUT YOUR KIDS IN UNIFORM on Monday November 11 2013 at 14:51
"...do you no how hard it is to find decent quality trousers that fit the requirements and don't cost a fortune..."

Did you try Asda/ Tesco/ ASOS??

"...a vague uniform code..."

Black trousers means black trousers!! Not leggings, not jeans, not "jeggins", not tracksuit bottoms, Proper trousers!!! Black skirts means a skirt not a belt. It's something you would wear to work or a funeral not to a nightclub or something you'd wear to stand on a street corner.

Really people, put your kids in the correct uniform, it isn't that hard!! You wouldn't go to work in stretchy trousers so don't send your kids to school in them. As for the "Some kids are big" excuse are you kidding. Your child is too fat for the school uniform.. really? who's fault is that then?

Reply Posted by a.allen on Monday November 11 2013 at 15:36
Its ridiculous that school trousers are taking up so much of their attention when the ofsted gave them a 3 rating for the teaching... Meaning it needs improvement... the school should stop making an issue of uniform and concentrate on improving their teaching....

Reply Posted by Ray on Monday November 11 2013 at 16:40
Well maybe it starts with behaviour as in Just complying to a simple uniform code and not trying it on.

Honestly parents are worse than the students and if they are telling them its okay just undermines the schools authority.

Simple stuff made difficult by idiots.

Reply Posted by Amber on Monday November 11 2013 at 15:56
It's pathetic our school they've created rules for no reason and there's people like me who wear tailored trousers and school material trousers but get told mine aren't correct because there tight around my legs but I don't want to get some fat legged ones that make me look like a boy and make me look like I've got fat legs. There are people walking around with jeans on they should be the ones to be aimed at not me! And also I hate our school uniform anyway I feel like a primary school kid wearing polos and all the other schools wearing blazers out school would look a lot smarter with blazers not polos I think the uniform needs changing so we don't look like kids and so we do look like young adults as we are!

Reply Posted by Ray on Monday November 11 2013 at 16:48
Just do as your told amber, it's not a debate.

Why should other people have to wear the correct uniform and you dont?

What makes you more special.

The time spent messing around with uniforms is time lost on teaching and its not the teachers fault parents and students were told what they must wear for school, if you don't like it move school (to another that has a uniform).

Teachers should not be having to spend their time messing around policing school uniforms they have enough to deal with and parents should know better, wanting their kids to fit in rather than butting heads with the school

Reply Posted by parent on Monday November 11 2013 at 16:37
My son wore a poppy band and got told to take it off, this surely is much safer than a pinned poppy.

Reply Posted by xx on Monday November 11 2013 at 16:54
sorry folks but i absolutely agree with no short skirts or leggings policy,and if i was in charge id be banning makeup too,the state some girls go to school these days is ridiculas,im not against short skirts or makeup but theres a time and place for these things and school isn't one of them

Reply Posted by euan wilson on Monday November 11 2013 at 16:59
basically, the school turned into a prison! it used to be good before joanne nolan came into the school! -_- banned poppys.. if they want kids to wear the reyt uniform, y dont they buy it themselves!! I am a student from this prison, and kids no a lot more than parents or who ever! its not good wht theyre doin! dont stick up for school when they waint even trust us with pins in poppys!

Reply Posted by no to rules on Monday November 11 2013 at 16:59
Sorry you are all missing the point,,,Education is the most important factor..let us wear what we want....

Reply Posted by shut the hell up on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:11
the school makes the rules, you follow the rules, any questions?

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:17
You are missing the point. People have bought trousers from asda and tesco back to school section...they have been told they are wrong. No child at school gets put in isolation because their tops are wrong. Why? Because they are only allowed to wear tops bought from school. Yes the rules are vague. I would never send her in leggings, jeans or jeggings. I sent her in trousers. Black ones. They were wrong. If they sell the trousers like they do the tops there will be no problem. Everyone will be happy. There are 100s of different pairs of black trousers for sale in town....take the choice away. I dont care if my daughter likes them or not she will wear the trousers the school says to wear but they arent saying are they. They give a vague description...one teacher says they're ok...another says they aren't. These are the people who are supposed to be teaching our kids...they should use their brains and sort it. I have told them the answer. I have worked places requiring uniform...they supplied the whole thing not left it up to me to pick half of it. And yes they should concentrate on teaching. The best bit of the ofsted report was the childrens behaviour rated as good. The teaching and staff result wasn't much to shout about...

Reply Posted by shut the hell up on Monday November 11 2013 at 19:07
i dont think we are, i think you are in the "i need a slap with the silly stick" zone because i dont think retailers look at every school and see what they find acceptable or not and put the items on sale, by your philosophy having pornographic material would be acceptable if it was in the school section, there have been leaflets handed out because some of the people i know who go to that school have had them given, you cant blame the school for trying to have some form of standards and regulation

Reply Posted by Kirk balk pupil on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:23
As a pupil at kirk balk, ive always worn the correct type of unifrom as i have been told to hence black trousers. I am currently in year ten starting my GCSE and the head teacher is more bothered about the material of the trousers then our education. I would as like to point out that the head is aslo taking pupil out of lessons to talk to other pupil about there uniform... I go to school to learn not to be told what sort of trouser material we should wear. Last time i checked it was a school not a fashion parade.

Reply Posted by Tony on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:26
Look smart - be smart.

Reply Posted by anon on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:36
the style of trousers, colour of there hair, does NOT have any impact on they way our children learn !!! surely if they look presentable and clean and are the correct colour that should b enough ! i agree short skirts are a no no for girls but why not leggings underneath ? surely this keeps them warm and protects the little bit ov modesty they do have ??? this is ridiculous, banning fizzy pop lol the crap they offer at lunch time needs to be addressed and the fact that the younger students cant get to eat at lunchtime as the cues are extensive for the whole break ! i appreciate that not all students are well behaved all the time and some of them do need pulling for their behaviour outside school but dont tar all students with the same brush ! some students do want to learn and the disruption in some of my childs classes prevents this as the teacher is busy dealing with the disruptive pupils rather than teaching the rest of the class. my child has had to complain on numerous occasions that they are not learning anything due to this which is extremely unfair !

Reply Posted by Kirk balk pupil on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:39
We wear a polo shirts now and we dont wear ties because half of the children mess around trying to pull the ties tighter to make other students choke. all i am trying to say is the trousers shouldn't matter as long as we all wear the polo shirts.

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Monday November 11 2013 at 18:41
Jimbo.....get with the programme.....kirk balk hast had shirts and ties for years. Its t-shirts and baggy sweaters..not the smartest uniform in the world to start with....

Reply Posted by prisoners or pupils on Monday November 11 2013 at 19:08
sounds like stripy black n white overalls would be a perfect uniform for the kids! and screws uniforms for the staff!!!!!!.

Reply Posted by anon on Monday November 11 2013 at 20:07
Kirk balk uniform looks cheap and tacky. Principal should look at netherfield and horizon colleges to see how it should be done !

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Monday November 11 2013 at 20:45
Porn an black trousers are hardly in the same league. Grow up.

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Monday November 11 2013 at 20:51
And it wouldnt matter if the shops back to school section sold the correct trousers or not if we coulf buy them from the school would it? They want the kids to wear uniform....fine. supply it. They supply t shirts an jumpers. An I would like to see you try an slap me with any kind of stick....

Reply Posted by Fedupnar on Monday November 11 2013 at 21:06
People are missing the point. Janes daughter was NOT in isolation for a skirt too short or leggings. She was wearing 'smart black trousers' from a 'back to school' section of a clothes shop but they were 'too tight at the bottom' other people had the 'wrong material' even tho they were previously acceptable. It's no good sending a letter 'last week' when uniform was bought for September. I can't see anyone against uniform, just against the head ( or principle as she prefers) requesting 'smart black trousers' and then although they are smart and black they are still wrong and children spend all day I. Isolation instead of in class ??? I have always believed in setting a good example, and being a good role model to our young adults. But not knowing where to look at parents evening because you and your 13 year old son can see the teachers knickers cis her skirt is do short is NOT setting a good example in my book !

Reply Posted by kirkbalk parent unfortunatly on Monday November 11 2013 at 21:52
Totally agree!

Reply Posted by let the kids learn on Monday November 11 2013 at 21:56
Do the wrong material/style/width/ trousers (even though they are sensible) stop the brain from working!!! NO. So why is all this necessary?

Reply Posted by Joanne copley on Monday November 11 2013 at 21:16
I totally agree with fedupnar the teacher show too much either being skirt too short or top too low get the teachers in a uniform.If they want all kids in right trousers supply them like they do polo shirts and jumpers and as for you fed up nar why say someone needs to be slapped with the silly sick you really need to grow up

Reply Posted by Fedupnar on Monday November 11 2013 at 21:26
It wasn't me miss, it was shut the hell up who hit jane with the silly stick. I think she should be put in isolation !

Reply Posted by Joanne copley on Monday November 11 2013 at 21:37
Sorry fed up nar put wrong name and yes she should go to isolation

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Monday November 11 2013 at 21:40
I think we should all be put in isolation. We can all hit shut the hell up with silly sticks then.....

Reply Posted by trouserpolice on Monday November 11 2013 at 22:00
fedpnar .... you got correct trousers on so no need for isolation! Need to keep isolation for the real bad uns who bought real school trousers from real school shops

Reply Posted by Real world on Monday November 11 2013 at 23:11
When these kids get in the real world of work and gave to wear uniform will parents stick up for them? This is preparing them for real life and in the big wide world of work a uniform is uniform end of - and all the bull abiut prices, george at asda for trousers for £6 - the type of trousers they are wearing are the more expensive ones. A uniform is for a reason and children should be made to abide by it and parents should be reinforcing this too why fight against the school? Its probs parents thats started gossip in first place its ridiculous,

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Monday November 11 2013 at 23:28
In the real world the company will tell them what uniform to wear and will supply it. The whole workforcecwill be wearing the same. Thats all I want

Reply Posted by former student and employee on Tuesday November 12 2013 at 01:08
I cannot believe the pettyness of some people! from the year i started at kirkbalk as a student all the way up to the time i worked for them i can honestly say they have triumphed! they have had a rubbish reputation for what? poor teaching? bad fercilities etc and now you all want to tear strips off them for bouncing back year after year!! its discusting that you are actually causing an uproar about the new guidelines for uniform... seriously have you nothing better to do with your time?!?!?
i can honestly say without the likes of teachers like Mr sidebottom, Mrs pothelswaite, Mr martin, Mr dalton and many others plus the office staff my years at that school wouldnt have been so good! i wouldnt be where i am without the entire kirkbalk workforce. if i can be a self employed artist and model from what they was when i was thier then surely your children can become so much more with all that kirkbalk has become since then!. there is no excuses about uniform with having "fat" kids or girls who wont wear it because it doesnt look good (yes them girls where at school with me too) by making these excuses your showing your children excuses are acceptable and rules should be moulded to suit individuals when thats not how it is in the real world. if you cant follow SIMPLE rules and guidelines at 12-16years old then when can you? because its too late to start when you thrusted upon working life, having relationships and responsibilities! they will end up like a massive portion of the uk.... on the dole and good for nothing. rules like these are to better your kids in the long run.

Reply Posted by jane rockett on Tuesday November 12 2013 at 06:45
This will be my last comment because some people either aren't reading what I am putting or are choosing to ignore it. I have no objection to uniform. All school kids should have to wear uniform. I don't want to waste my time running up to school with changes of clothes or for my daughter to waste half a day in isolation. She has 100% attendance and is in the top sets. She doesn't like the trousers she was wearing for school...she just bought them because they were black trousers, not leggings, jeans or jeggings. I would never allow her to go in any of those. She wore the same style trouser last year with no problem and bought them in the 6wks holiday so she was ready with full uniform to start school in september. The new head has decided they aren't correct. I also went to kirk balk and I disagree that teaching is getting better. I see the spelling and grammar of recent pupils and it leaves a lot to be desired. If they start to sell trousers I will buy them. If not she will a skirt and tights which she prefers anyway.

Reply Posted by Fedupnar on Tuesday November 12 2013 at 11:27
Former student and employee - they didn't do that much of a fab job. Facilities is spelt like I have spelt it, and names need capital letters. My last post too because I can't cope with people arguing the wrong point. We LOVE the idea of uniform, we love it so much each of our children have 12 different pairs of trousers and we even take time off work to go out and buy more with the millions of pounds we are earning !

Reply Posted by Really? on Tuesday November 12 2013 at 17:28
former student and employee, sounds like some one who you want teaching your children, with insults and stereotypes like that being thrown around. That's what you want from a teacher, someone to call your children good for nothing and ill achievers. Children and parents are standing up for a point they believe to be valid, which is something that should be taught to children. Nobody is suggesting that they want uniform abolished or changed, just real guidelines or suggested places to buy trousers from. Parents would love not to have their time wasted in buying endless pairs of trousers. Some schools even held a fashion show where pupils demonstrated the correct uniform to wear, which enabled parents to know what to buy, and that was before term started giving them time to buy such items, and also allowed pupils to have fun wearing the correct uniform. obviously you are too busy insulting the children and parents to think of something that innovative.

Reply Posted by Sasha on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 09:08
I heard from a parent that it got a rubbish ofsted report in some departments. And as for uniforms there ridiculous theyve already been in Chronicle for it once for shoes and one of my friends got sent home over a black belt because it had a sparkly buckle and i left 4 years ago so whats it like now! They only put effort in when ofsted come, teachers are like they have multiple personality disorder with difference of how they act when ofsteds in, they ought to do suprise visits then theyd see truth!!

Reply Posted by Enid on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 09:10
I say keep sending kids in right colour trousers if they do keep placing kids in isolation they will have an epic fail at the next ofsted inspection .

Reply Posted by gail on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 09:13
think this is snowballing over nothing ,get your kids in the uniform and get them to school ,its not a youth club ,they get away with a lot more than we did uniform wise ,make up earings there kids ,the teachers get a say ,and you can dress or do what you like when there at home,we,d be here all day if everyone had issues with something ,the teachers are allowed to wear what they want within reason, cos theyve done there time at school ,if you dont like it move your kids,but school and parents should work together to make the school what it should be

Reply Posted by anon on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 09:29
Instead of uniform issues this school wants to deal with real issues like bullying. There are more kids in Kirk Balk attending counselling for bullying than anywhere else in the region and it's rising. It's not just the kids that are bullies but teacher's too. When u complain they don't want to know.

Reply Posted by What the **** on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 09:30
Teachers should wear uniform too! My daughter is 13 and is at a size where it's impossible to find clothes to fit her! All brands are different sizes, A size 8 is too small a size 10 is too big , elasticated waists arnt available for teenagers. So what an I supposed to do?? She now goes in a skirt, in the winter. What a joke kids are there to learn!

Reply Posted by Bob on Monday November 18 2013 at 17:02
My daughter is 14 and I get her ELASTICATED trousers from Big Apple

Reply Posted by Had a laugh reading this. on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 09:44
Jane rocket talks sense! When I first started reading this article, my initial thoughts were the same. "Kids should just accept that they need to wear the uniform, it's part of life".

However it appears the problem is much more serious than that. If the parents are buying trousers from the back to school sections, because there are NO CLEAR GUIDELINES, and the kids are put into isolation for it. It would appear that clear guidelines need to be set.

This is where the school needs to look at the amount of time they have wasted addressing this problem, the comments made by parents and pupils on this page, and understand that it is still not clear and THEY still have an issue. It seems like a pretty simple solution to me. The school provides shirts, they have no issue with this, they don't provide trousers/clear guidance and they gave a major issue.

Now I'm no teacher, but what does this tell you? If school started in sept and we are now in nov, it would appear children's education has now been at risk and has been for too long.

The parents should write to Dan Jarvis to enforce some clear guidance which people can follow, or to have the school provide the trousers. Parents are not made of money, and time needs to be spent teaching by teachers. When will the head take control? I assume he/she is paid for this?

Reply Posted by Rachel platts on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 10:02
I think I will go and work in a nursing home. I will go out and buy a mini skirt and high heals!

Reply Posted by head master baits on Sunday November 17 2013 at 15:01
sounds awesome Rachel.let us know witch nursing home!
p.s you spelts heals wrong,,,,heels is the correct spelling.hope you don't get put into isolation for this.

Reply Posted by which not witch on Sunday November 17 2013 at 15:09
master baits

Reply Posted by x on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 10:12
at shafton alc they tried the purchasing uniforms from school road and it went disasterously wrong and caused uproar because of the prices of the trousers and skirts,they ended up having to back down on the idea but what they did do,was give every parent the chance to go into school and see the style, material and length of skirts acceptable

Reply Posted by Getoveryourselves on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 10:26
Does it really matter? I mean honestly in the big scheme of things? School have set out a uniform, buy it and wear it. If you have an issue with doing that, contact the school in the correct manner. How the hell this is at the point of a news article, Facebook worthy and everything else is ridiculous. People love to moan and complain but never in a way that might actually mean they get a civilised, sensible solution to their problem because that would ruin the moaning gossip they were so much enjoying. I don't even know where this school/college is but how can so many people not have better things to do with there lives??

Reply Posted by me on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 10:57
Its right that uniform should be adhered to! Some unfortunate families cannot afford the lastest designer name or thw coolest trainers on the market. This can lead to bullying. Simple cost affective smart uniform for every child so they all dress same is far better. For people who cannot find tailored trousers at a reasonable price then you need to go to spec savers. Asda, tesco, matalan etc have loads of reasonably priced school wear. Some schools have a set uniform where you can only buy items from a specific place and these are costly, but black trousers???? Get a grip!!! How can the kids afford false nails and make up if you cant afford proper trousers?? I prefer my child to look smart as it reflects on me too. And think of the money u would save on stain remover trying to get the orange make up off the shirt collars! Trouble is people are too busy moaning in life. Just get on with it then the teachers wont be wasting time on silly matters and your child may actually get a decent education. We are role models to our kids. If all they see is whining on about stupid matters then they will adapt that attitude in life too. "I dont like it so im not doing it" let em tell that to an employer when they start adult life...pffff.....rant over!

Reply Posted by not me on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 15:40
shut up! you fool

Reply Posted by Heather brown on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 11:29
My sons attend Kirk Balk when I went shopping for their uniforms I went to vortex at stair foot as that is the official place to buy shirts, jumpers and P.E kits. I then went to asda and my youngest son had the "asda school" trousers, but unfortunately my eldest son is in men's clothing and the trousers didn't fit. The letter that the principal sent in July stated that the trousers must be black tailored not tight fitting, jeans, leggings or combats.
I went and found some black tailored trousers from new look in the men's section. He wore them for 6 weeks without a problem. I then received a call from his head of year stating that there were not made of polyester so they were letting me know so I could go out and buy new ones. I did tell her that I followed the uniform letter and they was nothing wrong with them, and that I wouldn't be buying anymore. I am a single working mum of 3 and I cannot afford to just go out and replace uniforms. I followed the letter to a T!!! If they had wanted the trousers to be made of polyester then that should have been stated. Or better still have a suplyer where everyone can go and get school trousers from!!!
I totally agree with jane the school at the moment is a nightmare can you tell me how putting children into isolation is benifiting them??? All that is doing is causing disruption to their learning, and as the ofsted report stated it needs improvement so instead of penalising children for the parents choice of trousers they should be focusing on getting the school to were it should be.

Reply Posted by tilly on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 15:06
well said and totally agree... if you have a uniform where u work they dont check what the trousers are made from just that they look smart.

Reply Posted by anon on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 15:33
Some of you are completely missing the point ,when we bought uniforms we followed THEIR guidlines which simply stated smart black trousers people have bought within the guidlines and now she has decided to change her mind ,sending children to isolation because they are not polyester !! Ridiculous if thats what she wanted then it should have been in the guidelines to start with.all you who.are blaming the parents obviously havent had it happen to their child .grade A students with 100% attendence sent to isolation because their trousers are slighty stretchy get a grip!! When you consider what some of the staff wear and their appearance in general ! They should lead example .for a school that says it supports creativity and individuality they are making then all walk round like prisoners .And if they want specific trousers because theu have to be super smart then why the hell are they walking round in polo shirts !

Reply Posted by anon on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 16:23
Constructive !

Reply Posted by Sasha on Wednesday November 13 2013 at 20:38
Most of Kirk Balk will do owt to get out of actually working to educate the kids. To even take notice of if trousers are polyester or not they obviously have too much time on there hands. As long as there trousers and black a don't see what the problem is? But there ya go thats Kirk Balk anything for drama!

Reply Posted by Jan on Thursday November 14 2013 at 22:35
I can't believe anyone would send their child to Kirk Balk! Notorious for bullying and bad behaviour it's the worst school in Barnsley. Netherwood is much better and their uniform is VERY smart!

Reply Posted by Glen on Sunday November 17 2013 at 18:08
if its none uniform then should kids be aloud to wear what they like?, as for the poppy debate.. if poppies were banned at this school then its disgusting!

Reply Posted by Me. on Sunday November 17 2013 at 18:34
I don't think anyone is against the uniform as it creates equality and just looks smart, but to still pick and force students to miss lessons because their uniform is the wrong material is mad!
I'm for uniform 100% but if teachers are going to force pupils into isolation for the 'wrong' uniform then I think staff need to start setting an example and wear appropriate clothing also. In the time my sister has attended high school I've seen female staff that look more appropriate to be sitting on the town hall steps!

Reply Posted by sham on Sunday November 17 2013 at 18:50
God I cant believe all the uproar over school uniform... style should not be relevant, colour yes but not style. When I was a pupil, at Royston it was black jumper, trousers and white shirt.... Its a disgrace that pupils are been sent home because the width if the trouser bottoms are wrong.. what a joke!!!! concentrate on the kids learning, or even attending school... because nit picking like this is a disgrace... why not have them all wearing a burka... clone them... its not gona make the teaching standards any better, most teachers don't even like kids... get a grip and start learning the kids about being themselves and making choices for themselves... isn't that what becoming an adult is all about..

Reply Posted by jon on Sunday November 17 2013 at 18:57
I think the school needs to concentrate on the kids education.OFSED MARKS SAYS SCHOOL NEED IMPROVEMENT,as long as pupil wear the correct colour uniform and look smart,surely that the meaning of school uniform,The school needs improvement and if this isn.t achieved the HEAD sould be sacked..Good Grades needed not Nit picking on the materials of uniform..

Reply Posted by jon on Sunday November 17 2013 at 18:58

Reply Posted by poppies on Sunday November 17 2013 at 19:33
My son is a pupil at KB. I cannot comment on the trouser issue as we've not been effected. However I would like to say his form teacher encouraged the class to wear poppies on 11/11.

Reply Posted by Jimmy Savile on Sunday November 17 2013 at 19:33
What's wrong with school girls wearing short skirts!!!!

Reply Posted by john on Sunday November 17 2013 at 20:12
WAB you need to get this sccumbag ^^above arrested for the comments above,,it is easy to get the IP ADDRESS,now do something about this!!!

Reply Posted by Emma on Sunday November 17 2013 at 20:57
The school is failing and all they can think about is what kids are wearing.Some of the older and bigger kids parent's can't afford £25 for a pair of trousers that fit properly so are opting for the cheaper and stretchier material. When OFSTED were in they were going to send the disruptive kids out so they wouldn't be seen.85 kids in isolation for uniform get a grip KB and get these kids through their exams the kids are suffering do your job.Alot of the teachers wear unappropriate clothes and jewellery for school and use their mobile phones whilst in lessons.Some kids were told to remove poppys on 11/11 due to the pins being a health and safety issue.It makes my blood boil that so many bright talents are going to be let down once again by the system, The time and effort the teachers are wasting on this issue would be much better spent educating them.

Reply Posted by helen walker on Sunday November 17 2013 at 23:28
As former pupil it think it a lot of rubbish.
As u can buy stick on poppys or is this breach of health safety regs too.
If this is the case about pins why are some pupils allowed to wear pin badge surely
is a breach of healty and safety regs2 .You need to make up your mind which health and safety polices you are going to follow. my partner used too lay a reef at
hoyland and pupils from the school wore poppys on ther uniforms dose that mean the were not allow to poppys when they lay there reef

Reply Posted by Collet on Sunday November 17 2013 at 23:50
You can all make about rights and wrongs,compair this and that,but rules are rules,and from what I see going to school to Kirk Balk on a morning you would think some was going to a night club ,not all but plenty, smoking and swearing,no disipline in schools or homes.its about time someone took a stand.

Reply Posted by dene on Monday November 18 2013 at 14:54
my granddaughter put me right about the poppies now i understand, she said we can wear sticky poppies , some kid are using the pins to jab others , its not the poppy it the pins ,,,,,you would all complain if your child was being jabbed by a pin you soon be at the school complaining ,,

Reply Posted by Anon on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 14:36
Kirk balk students look shocking and im not blaming the parents. All high schools in the bourogh now wear smart uniforms blazers ect. kirk balk kids look shocking. So wat does that say about the school.. I think the school needs a complete re think over there uniform

Reply Posted by Billie Stewart on Friday April 4 2014 at 20:55
I have never read such a lot of ridiculous posts! All these parents bleating about how important their children's education is, yet every single one is illiterate!!
Your children need to understand how to follow instructions, then JUST MAYBE they'll learn at school and not end up like you!
And don't blame the school for poor Ofsted/results - the illiteracy and idiocy of these comments clearly prove one thing - YOU CAN'T EDUCATE PORK!

Reply Posted by Brian on Friday April 4 2014 at 23:01
Billie, your comments are 'spot on' I did wonder how long it would be before someone commented on the use of grammar in this thread. It really is shocking and if this is a representative sample of the educational standards of people living in the Hoyland area then something is clearly wrong. I would strongly encourage many of the posters on here to go back to school at the first opportunity to complete their education.