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Listed Building Could Be Demolished If Rail Plan Goes Ahead

Friday October 4 2013

A VILLAGE'S only grade II listed building will have to be demolished if the controversial HS2 rail line goes ahead, councillors have warned.

The free-standing chimney at Bleach Croft Farm, Cudworth, sits on the proposed route of the high speed line linking Leeds and London.

Councillors Charlie Wraith and Joe Hayward said the line will cut straight through the farm and have now been told at a consultation meeting the structure will not be saved.

Cllr Hayward said initially he was told the chimney - which dates back to 1854 - would be preserved. It was built for the Midland Bleach Works and was given listed status in 1988.

He said a stand needs to be made, as there are no stopping points near Cudworth and residents are not getting a fair deal.

He said: "Why should we lose a grade two marked building and not get anything back in return?"

Barnsley Central MP Dan Jarvis is inviting residents to give their opinions at a consultation at Barnsley Town Hall on November 2.

According to the plans the line would also go through Birch Tree Farm in Cudworth and Carlton Marsh nature reserve.

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Reply Posted by Josh on Friday October 4 2013 at 10:38
We don't want it, it will cost more than it will ever pay back.... Scrap the build and up the money in to new business

Reply Posted by Mick on Friday October 4 2013 at 10:40
You can't make a £50 billion omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Reply Posted by bad idea on Friday October 4 2013 at 11:00
im a builder and if I needed to knock a grade 2 listed building down what would I get told im pretty sure it would be a big fat NO so surely it should be the same answer for the hs2 development or is it just a case of one rule one and one rule for another

Reply Posted by mr x on Friday October 4 2013 at 11:11
Cant the go round it

Reply Posted by Adam on Friday October 4 2013 at 11:11
Tend to agree with bad idea try and do anything to a grade listed building and it's no sorry it's a protected building, but let's stick a monstrosity where the build sits a yes knock it down,

Reply Posted by TheWomble on Friday October 4 2013 at 11:24
Solution: Divert the track to go straight through the Town Hall...

Reply Posted by bertie on Friday October 4 2013 at 11:30
I fully agree with you bad idea n adam

Reply Posted by lee on Friday October 4 2013 at 12:41
the HS2 wont be stopping in cudworth............so how do we benefit from it? would the houses of parliament be demolished if it was planned to go through there? no.
so yet again people of barnsley have to be the ones that suffer.
didnt the man on the M62 motorway refuse to give his house up so they had to build the motorway around him ? barnsley should do the same. if we dont benefit from it, we dont want it. and cameron dont say it will bring business to barnsley..........it wont........the cons have destroyed the north for years. scrap HS2, improve the NHS, kick out the scrounging immigrants, and grow a backbone.

Reply Posted by Fawkes on Friday October 4 2013 at 13:01
Well said Lee.

Reply Posted by Mappman on Friday October 4 2013 at 15:45
Lee the M62 story is urban myth look it up on Wikipedia Quote "The 18th-century Stott Hall Farm (53.641599°N 1.952222°W) on Moss Moor, above Booth Wood Reservoir is situated between the carriageways between junctions 22 and 23. The road divides for much of its length between the Windy Hill and Deanhead cuttings because of surrounding geology but a local myth persists that it was split because the owners refused to sell the land. The farm has been nicknamed the Little House on the Prairie by CB radio users and Sally Boazman, BBC Radio 2's traffic reporter. The farm is separated from the motorway by crash barriers and a high fence to keep livestock in and drivers out. The farm was occupied by Ken and Beth Wild at the time of the motorway's opening. It is one of the ten best-known sights on the motorway network and in West Yorkshire. It was the subject of a BBC Radio 4 documentary and a short documentary film."

Totally agree on the rest "No benefit to Barnsley at all"

Reply Posted by moaning mickey on Friday October 4 2013 at 18:48
Well sed lee

Reply Posted by P on Saturday October 5 2013 at 00:37
Is the public consultation event at Barnsley Town Hall on Saturday 2 November, 10am-5am, to discuss whether the HS2 is built in the first place or for the people to give an opinion on the route and station location of HS2 Phase Two.

People need to let them know their opinion of whether they want the HS2 or not.
I do not want this White Elephant, that will be destroying ancient irreplaceable woodland, beautiful countryside, homes and businesses.

Is your MP or councillor for or against HS2 ?

Reply Posted by N on Saturday October 5 2013 at 09:41
"People of Barnsley are the ones to suffer" - yeah, because the rail link is only going through Barnsley right? Barnsley isn't special, this will be going through loads of places that won't get a stop. Stop making out that Barnsley is the only damn place in England affected by anything when it isn't. There is a world outside the town you know.

Reply Posted by Lee on Saturday October 5 2013 at 12:49
"N" i think youre missing the point. barnsley will gain nothing from the HS2. but will cost barnsley a piece of history,
yes it may not JUST TRAVEL THROUGH BARNSLEY i suspect it will travel through other towns too...........................but we dont live in their towns and its upto them to work out weather they benefit from it.
to some of the people of barnsley, history plays a big part in its heritage. the point im making is simple ( i thought ). we do not benefit from the HS2. it will only cause disruption as roads will probably be disrupted, diversions put in place while they build its path, all this costing the people of barnsley inconvenience and money, and for what?????
would you feel the same if you lived in a house or a farm all your life, and were told TUFF were knocking your grade 2 listed building down to build the HS2 oh and by the way, you wont benefit from it.

Reply Posted by julie on Saturday October 5 2013 at 17:20
We don't have an opinion, we don't have an option - they want to build it, destroy heritage etc. etc. they will, whether we like it or not so don't kid yourselves by going to meetings etc. that it will make any difference - waste of time and effort!!

Reply Posted by OLDFOSSIL on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 13:54

Reply Posted by Swifty on Saturday October 5 2013 at 18:09
The 50 billion needs to be ent today. The roads are dangerous. There is nit enough Motorways to carry everyday traffic. The NHS is crumberling and Eduction is not existence due to over crowded schools.

There's not enough housing for people born in this country and the elderley are treated like numbers not as individuals with respect and dignity.

And the borders need ring fencing with troops and customs and WE need our our laws back and not Europe.
And if thers owt left a few players for BFC.

Reply Posted by STEVO on Monday October 7 2013 at 12:31
Spot on again Swifty.

Reply Posted by Patricia on Sunday October 6 2013 at 00:10
Look , it's one rule for them and one rule for us. the council. the government think they can do as they like . buildings, people, don't matter. we're just there to make money for them , our lovely old buildings mean nothing to any of them and people even less .

Reply Posted by julie on Sunday October 6 2013 at 08:17
Well said Patricia - we, the common folk have NO say in ANYTHING - like someone mentioned earlier about the elderly, I totally agree - the council take their pensions from them and pay £1.04 per hour (approx) for them to be cared for, oh I forgot, they let them keep £23.60 a week to spend (big deal) - shameful when they are throwing money at people who have paid nothing into the system. Spend the silly train money on improving quality of life for the ones who earned it!

Reply Posted by observer on Monday October 7 2013 at 12:40
mappman. yes its an interesting story. but you cant rely on Wikipedia. tho I do admire for standing up and refusing to lose their home. does anyone know that cudworth station was indeed Barnsley train station?. the infrastructure is already there. the train lines are still there. why don they use the existing path?.and yes everyone is right. if the grade whatever building was anywhere else it would be left alone..

Reply Posted by Sam on Monday October 7 2013 at 12:45
The m62 home owners were actually offered money for their property as a gesture of good will but they refused, the land have been unused due to been unsuitable. Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia, anyone can edit pages.

Reply Posted by nohs2 on Monday October 7 2013 at 13:17
The stupidity of all this is that it will shave 20 mins off the train journey from Leeds to London - whoopty doo!!!!. By the time this is finished virtual reality conferences will be the norm and no one will have to travel anywhere. The people of Barnsley and anywhere else for that matter have the right to object to anything that will disrupt their lives for NO BENEFIT - and that is what the useless elected officials in local and national Government should be fighting for.

Trains and rail tracks will also be obsolete in 50 years replaced with magnetic hover trains (2 tier).

Reply Posted by Jason on Monday October 7 2013 at 14:15
Its called progression , knock it down and move on

Reply Posted by inmyopinion on Monday October 7 2013 at 18:00
i can not see why this needs to be demolished if thats the case it means they are going to put two level crossings in at the bottom of Cudworth. would it not be more prudent to put in a bridge over the bypass and use the old line base from the marsh

Reply Posted by Riggers on Monday October 7 2013 at 21:35
I wonder if some of the builders commenting on this would feel the same if they landed a lucrative contract from HS2 keeping them in work for years to come? Would they still be in the 'Keep the chimney brigade'. Like Jason says it's progress and investment in the transport system that this country badly needs. If we listened to half the people on here we'd probably all still be riding around in horses and carts.

Reply Posted by Collet on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 21:32
HS2 biggest CON since decimalism, the only people to benefit will be the investors, in other words money men, that's them et gets rich by keeping us poor.Not heard any MP our councillor stick there neck out to say what benefit that it will bring to Barnsley and district

Reply Posted by TheGuardian on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 22:31
Virtual conferences will result in people not having to travel? Isn't that what most folk want? Nobody travels anyway, unless it's to Magaluf/Benidorm to eat Pie & Chips, full English & watch Sky Sports with their mate next door who go to sign-on together. It's merely an old chimney. If you traveled anywhere/had a reason to travel out of Royston Vasey, you may appreciate progress. Embrace it. BMBC would spend it on more of those hideous statues, or pilfer it away via their expenses. Remember, some pigs are more equal than others!

Reply Posted by Aiden on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 22:38
I'v worked on the railways and I know that this is only going to benefit 1) the rich because their the only ones that will be able to afford to use it. 2) The fat cats that run the railway company's milking everything they can get their hands on and 3) probably get some jobs out of it but that's it. The only way we are going to stop HS2 and stop the gov and councils splashing are money around is to VOTE UKIP

Reply Posted by g on Thursday October 10 2013 at 05:45
all to save the MP's and business people 20 mins,History will be demolished, people lives and houses disrupted and torn down. Not to mention the geological problems it may cause, when tunnelling through old mine workings etc. It as potential of disturbing 3 old mines in the Hoyland/Hoyland Common area alone. What about the build up of methane etc under ground, NOTHING IT FOR US....SCRAP HS2

Reply Posted by Not bothered on Friday October 11 2013 at 09:12
It's only a grade II listed building, so why are people comparing it against the Houses Of Parliament being knocked down? Geez are people really that narrow minded and stupid on here? Seems I can answer my own question!

Reply Posted by steven on Tuesday October 15 2013 at 19:23
Scrap the lot of it and put money to a better cause by creating jobs for the unemployed

Reply Posted by ralph armstrong on Sunday November 22 2015 at 11:33
this chimney should have been taken down years ago it is leaning i dont think its safe how do i no i own it not the people in cudworth the people in cudworth wont something in return for what? its nothing to do with them i own it

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