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New School Holiday Rules - A WAB Debate

Monday September 2 2013

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TAKING your kids out of school for a cheaper holiday will now be a whole lot harder. Parents could face court if they fail to adhere to new rules. What do you think to this? Are you in favour? Have your say on our WAB Debate.

From this term, parents have lost their right to remove their child from school for a family holiday for up to ten days a year.

Now, headteachers will only allow pupils time off in exceptional circumstances.

As many parents decide to take their kids out of school as holiday prices are cheaper, they're now not allowed to do so.

Schools will be able to refer parents who ignore the law to the local authority, which could issue a £60 fixed penalty notice per child and per parent.

Parents will have 21 days to pay or the fines will be doubled. If they're still not paid, parents could be taken to court.

What do you think? Have your say on our WAB Debate.

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Reply Posted by observer on Monday September 2 2013 at 10:35
im with the parents on this. the travel companies are taking the mick..or the prevarbial piss. if a parent goes to court. the courts fine will be cheaper than a hol during school times. they wont take the kids from the parents. this isnt a feasable option. its not that the kids are being neglected?.perhaps the govt and the courts should look at what travel agents are doing. and put a cap on things. instead of allowing them to take up an opportunity to fleece parents and making cheap holidays extortionate.

Reply Posted by ang on Sunday September 8 2013 at 11:24
i think your spot on with what you are saying, my children have always got 100% attendance at school except for once every 2 years when i take them out of school for a 2 week holiday, but it is not neglecting there need for learning as they are still doing there school work whilst on holiday by taking part and observing different cultures and religions

Reply Posted by Nat on Monday September 2 2013 at 10:49
It's not always about taking children out because its cheaper, but sometimes because parents can't take leave during school holidays. Will they get fined too.
The system is unfair & fines should be based on the whole years attendance.

Reply Posted by TC on Monday September 2 2013 at 16:14
Agreed. It should be on a case by case basis not one size fits all.

Reply Posted by Kate guest on Monday September 2 2013 at 10:51
Doesn't affect me as my kids are grown up but it absolutely stinks, the government said a few yrs ago that travel agents have cut cost to help but they added on not took off, even if u take em outa school n get fined it still works out cheaper, bloody rip off...rant over.

Reply Posted by Andy on Monday September 2 2013 at 10:54
My grandson missed the last day of the last school year and will miss the first day of this due to the school being closed for refurbishment. Isn't this the same thing? Who is fining the school?

Reply Posted by Ian on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 07:58
Its one rule for them...One for the rest of us..!

Reply Posted by ang on Sunday September 8 2013 at 11:26
one rule for us and another rule for schools it stinks

Reply Posted by Clad on Monday September 2 2013 at 11:00
Well for the sake of paying £60 for the child and possibly the same for the parent its still going to work out over £800 cheaper to go on my next years holiday in term time... no second guesses for when i'll be going!!! I can't see how they can justify penalising a 100% attendance pupil who has 5 days off term time for a holiday when half of kids in my sons class are off at least once every few weeks.... most of which is on a friday or monday when their parents are still down skeggy pissed and make excuses kids are poorly!

Reply Posted by Phantom on Monday September 2 2013 at 11:02
The easiest way to get round this is to get you employer to write you a letter stating that the dates given were the only times you could have off work. It worked for me, and even if it didn't I would have just said they were ill. Up to the school to prove otherwise!!

Reply Posted by Jayne on Monday September 2 2013 at 11:08
My kids will be poorly. Simples

Reply Posted by Rob on Monday September 2 2013 at 11:21
I find it hard to get any holidays booked off from work during kids holidays so for me it wont be an issue. Ill just take my daughter out of school if needs be.

Reply Posted by Anon on Monday September 2 2013 at 11:31
All this is generally speaking: The whole point is to raise overall attendance for the school which is a good thing. A reward system for learning and achieving would be more beneficial. My children for 100% attendance received a book voucher which was nice as well as being rewarded for their hard work all throughout the year makes them want to learn. This then reduces truancy as they get older. However fining won't work for a number of reasons. Being fined taking children out of school for holidays works out much cheaper still than paying full price in the school holidays. (For the ones that do this) Children miss school when unwell, this also lowers the attendance, so the instances of 'being ill' may increase even when not ill to avoid fines. Which will then lead to needing a doctors note for proof of actually being ill. Which will then waste doctors' precious time and resources on people who don't need it. Extra pressure and stress on parents as they don't get a holiday. Some people have set holidays which don't coincide with school holiday therefore don't get to go on a family holiday which I think is rather sad. Considering how many parents have to work nowadays this time together is precious. SOMETIMES a holiday with family is better as it brings them together as a unit, (more support) = better for children. Also the experiences on holiday, cultures, history, all other aspects of learning can compliment what they do at school, help cement and extend what they know. Learning is a continuous process and is not singularly defined at school, although school learning is highly important for so many reasons, so are other aspects of life. I have had to take the children away on my own (as many single parents do I know) however as a family unit it was hard as part of the family was missing due to set holidays. There are always 2 sides to a coin and are good arguments for and against. This aside, it does make a teachers job harder having to revisit lots of topics and lessons as people are off at different times of the year even though individual targets are set etc. Wasted time planning. Teachers and support staff who are on much lower pay are also penalized by set holidays, they too have to pay the extortionate prices. You wouldn't be happy if Mrs Jones or Mr Smith decided to have a 2 week holiday during the school term because it was cheaper (apart from the obvious it isn't allowed but hypothetically speaking.....) especially as the exams were looming and your precious Jenny or Tom failed....Blame the prices of holidays which are extortionate. But then when more people go away on holiday in the school holidays, why not maximize profit, if I ran a business then that's what I'd do. Wouldn't you? Then the money I earn goes back into the social economic system etc etc. But who pays the prices? These people are at fault since if no-one went away and paid the full price then surely they would reduce the prices? But then that's us, Most of us go away, most of us are guilty of this. But it's just another rule. Life is full of rules, work is full of rules. It's just making it easier in the end to teach all the children at the same time making it better for the children so no one misses anything. Children are our future. More money should be put into schools to help aid a child's learning and to create as many exciting learning opportunities as possible. Maybe reducing the allowance of days to 5 would have been a better compromise for all, not to be taken GCSE years obviously, and SAT years. Plus every year after May when assessments are done.

Reply Posted by ET on Monday September 2 2013 at 11:41
In a perfect world with perfect schools, perfect teachers, perfect pupils these utopian rules may work, in this world sorry they don't!!

Reply Posted by sarah on Monday September 2 2013 at 11:45
Travel is education. Broadening horizons, learning about the world outside your own town. It gives a renewed zest for life, recharges batteries. Often confidence increases as they meet new friends or try a sport/activity they dont normally get chance to try. Why cant the government see this? And as already stated spending time as a family is very valuable in this day and age. Its a good way to generate money in fines if you ask me. The fine is not going to deter parents.

Reply Posted by Bob on Thursday October 3 2013 at 14:00
I totally agree if this is what really happens but lets face it, most kids just get to spend time in the hotel pool wile their parents get shit faced at the bar!

Reply Posted by Dan on Sunday November 10 2013 at 00:37
Is it about children's education really? Or extra revenue, for me if it was about education why do term time holidays still remain the cheaper option?

Reply Posted by Stephen Mitchell on Monday September 2 2013 at 11:53
Why not have a system in schools where there are less fixed school holidays and families can book time off school (like most people have to at work) and then holidays can be taken during term time. There is enough technology nowadays to allow children to catch up on the work missed. So long a children attend school for 39 weeks, I cannot see a problem.
I have taken my children on holiday in term time many times, but they have always taken some schoolwork with them and done a "Holiday Diary" whilst away showing what they did, what they learnt about the culture of where they had been and new foods they had tried. This has been taken to school and presented in class and my eldest daughter even got marks towards her GCSE in English Langauge for one of these diaries.

Reply Posted by Charles on Monday September 2 2013 at 12:13
Do people posting on here not realise that Barnsley is bottom of all the educational league tables. In order to improve the situation, parents need to ensure that their children attend school as a priority over everything else and do not take time off for any reason.

The greatest gift that a parent can give to their child is a good education, not a holiday.

Sadly, many parents do not appear to understand that.

Reply Posted by Stevo on Thursday September 5 2013 at 17:43
I hardly see how missing two weeks of school is going to have a major detrimental effect a child's education.

The education system as a whole is not fit for purpose, now with the "super schools" and the insistence of the local authorities placing children with learning difficulties being shoved into mainstream classes then that is going to have a massive impact on the pupils themselves and the examination results.

My good mate who's daughter has learning difficulties was shoved into a mainstream class and was largely ignored by the teacher, when she complained that she couldn't understand something the teacher asked if she was thick or something.
Not only would this be unacceptable to a child with a good understanding of learning, but to say that to a child whom the teacher knows has learning difficulties is clearly not acceptable.
My mate and his wife complained and nothing was done about it, the teacher continued to "get on" at his daughter and kept asking if she was thick.
Needless to say his daughter no longer goes to school due to the fear of being labelled thick by not only the teacher but her classmates as well.

All well and good building these super schools but there is most definitely need for "specialist" education for people who have learning difficulties.

Back to the topic in hand, there was a draft bill floating around a few years ago that would have brought the tour operators to book for their vastly inflated prices of holiday's during the school holidays, guess what?
It never went past the first reading and was scrapped.

Only years later do we find out the exact reason why the draft bill was scrapped, have you guessed why yet?

Turns out a travel company boss actively lobbied one of his Tory chums into dropping the bill, also turns out travel company boss was a Tory party donator.

The prices during the school holidays are vastly inflated, yes one could argue that it is the main summer season, but for places further afield and year round holiday destinations this is most definitely not the case.

Same goes for hotel rooms, If say for instance Manchester United are at home the weekend that one wants to stay in Manchester, then prices will vastly increase some of them up to 100%.

There's a name for this it is called Racketeering.

As for parents taking their kids out of school early, some of the prices between dates are unbelievable and a family of four could possibly save a thousand pounds then those parents are going to take those kids out of school aren't they?

The education system has failed and the government know this, these fines are nothing more than another cash cow for them, end of.

Reply Posted by Tracey on Friday September 6 2013 at 14:29
Charles, although I agree with you that it is exceptionally important for our children to have a good education, I still feel that the most important thing any child can be given is parents' time.

A lot of families cannot get time off during school holidays and if they can, cannot afford the ludicrous prices that the travel companies charge for holidays in this period.

I believe that it is very important to get the balance of the two to achieve the best results with children.

My thoughts.... but maybe a perspective you didn't consider :)

Reply Posted by Charles on Sunday September 8 2013 at 12:30
I fully agree what you say, it is important that parents devote time to their children. Indeed it would be natural for good parents to want to spend as much time as possible with their offspring. Education received from good parents is just as good and complimentary to what is being learnt at school. However, this is irrelevant to the issue under discussion here.

Reply Posted by Gav on Monday September 2 2013 at 12:31
I don't see the problem of taking your child out of school if it's the week before the end of the Summer term as every year my Son plays games or watches DVDs at school at this time! All the work has obviously been covered. There is no way we will be paying the extortionate prices for a family holiday abroad. £60 is well worth paying when it will cost several hundred pounds more to go during school holidays. We had already booked next year's holiday during term time before we were given the literature regarding the new rules and there is no way we'll be cancelling and losing £600 deposit!

Reply Posted by Jayne on Monday September 2 2013 at 12:47
Well said Sarah!!!
Education is not just textbooks and exams, I always went on holiday in term time as it was the only time my patents could get off work, i experienced the pyramids I'd been learned about etc! Didn't do me any detriment - I have a first class honours degree in law and a really good job!

Reply Posted by Dan on Sunday November 10 2013 at 00:47
If this is such a problem, would it not be an idea to reduce the summer hols by two weeks and parents could use them at their own descression throughout the school year problem solved?

Reply Posted by Unknown on Monday September 2 2013 at 13:22
This is a right joke. Another ‘stealth tax’ from the government. I left school with over 8 GCSES A*-C and a Diploma which then led to AAA Levels at college and then a First Class Degree at University with companies lining up to employ me even though I’m already in employment. Safe to say my parents use to pull me out of school when I was a young-en and it has never affected me. Long live the 2 week illnesses! Good luck to all you parents who are stuck into this. I know where I work it is near enough impossible to get August off from work. Better get saving :-( Good luck!

Reply Posted by john on Monday September 2 2013 at 13:56
i agree with the previous posts the travel companies take the piss AND THE GOVERNMENT TRYING TO PUT THE BL AIM ON THE PARENTS saying taking a week or two in a year but they forget all the snow days and the stat days and the teacher training days its ok for the school to have these think the schools should be charged £60 per child for each of those,
my sons school been turning all holidays down for a few years we went away in December 2011 my son was 4 and his school still turned us down we took him anyway , this year he was sick the week before the school holidays we had the truancy officer round "checking if my son was happy at school" more like checking if we had gone away it was the first time he had been ill this year

Reply Posted by Pw on Saturday March 8 2014 at 19:34
Don't forget the slack attitudes of the teachers who say they care about the children's education but are still happy to go strike and leave the pupils out of school. One rule for some! What happened to their fines?

Reply Posted by mick on Monday September 2 2013 at 14:35
brilliant and been long time comin and if they dunt stick to it then fine em more, kids get enuff hols to go outside term time, why should we put up wi kids on holiday in term time,?? so much more pleasant on hol wi out all kids, and people should get the choice, only reason to go i term time is to save money in which case if thats ya priority dont have the kids, and course hol companys will charge u more in school holidays but so wat welcome to real world, strawberries are dearer in winter, cabriolets dearer in summer, ice cream goes up in summer, get used to it and stopmoanin

Reply Posted by Unknown on Monday September 2 2013 at 14:42
Did you buy any chance skip school? Your spelling and grammar show otherwise.

Reply Posted by Comment on Monday September 2 2013 at 14:44
Haha Mick, bet you haven't got kids. Get back to school.

Reply Posted by Unknown on Monday September 2 2013 at 14:43

Reply Posted by Reba on Monday September 2 2013 at 14:48
I think that It's absolutely disgusting. We are a family of 7 including 5 children. We can't afford to go abroad for our holidays as this can cost us anything above £5000. It's madness. we have to holiday in between seasons and that's just to go to a caravan, and that costs hundreds of pounds just to go to Scarborough. I understand the importance of education especially a my Son is due to sit his SAT's this year, But what is the harm of taking the kids out of school a week before the summer holidays. They hardly do anything any way. A high standard school should have completed the years educating by then anyway. And if they haven't then there's something very lacking in the standard of education. I'm all for taking them out a week or so before summer hols. Holiday companies either flights or a caravan, its disgustingly priced. Families can't afford to take kids on holiday, so the kids just end up loitering the streets and getting themselves into trouble.And with cuts to childrens services through the summer holidays i.e Locke Park childrens summer activities, Makes my blood boil! What are we supposed to do!!

Reply Posted by mick on Monday September 2 2013 at 14:50
ha ha quickly corrected mistake there pmsl, use ya tax credits to pay for ya hols and didnt attend school much i was on holiday like your kids :)

Reply Posted by Unknown on Monday September 2 2013 at 14:58
It proper wounded me when I re-read it! I was like .... Bad mistake on a comment like that! Anyway's its nearly Christmas....... :-/

Reply Posted by Harry bolt on Monday September 2 2013 at 14:51
Jayne how u got an honours degree u can't sppel

Reply Posted by mick on Monday September 2 2013 at 15:42
love how people come on ere to correct grammar and spell check ,,,,, spell check this one UFKC FOF ha ha ha

Reply Posted by mick on Monday September 2 2013 at 15:46
the person goin under the name" comment " finds it funny i havnt got kids and apparently i should go back to school weras i see it as a miracle youve got kids and u should get back to benefits office for another handout :)

Reply Posted by Comment on Monday September 2 2013 at 19:09
Actually pal I haven't got kids either. And I pay more tax than the goverment hands out on job seekers just to let you know. I just don't have a grudge on family's going away while I'm soaking up a 2 week holiday in Med during term time. Bah humbug!

Reply Posted by x on Monday September 2 2013 at 16:23
if a child missing 1 wk of school a year affects there education so badly then i think the education department are failing these kids miserably,i for one used to of caught up with any work i had missed within a couple of days.it all boils down to cost and if holiday firms split the extra costs they were charging over the rest of the year the problem would be solved

Reply Posted by youngsprout on Monday September 2 2013 at 16:30
From the way you write,It looks like you missed a few days at school. You should have attended more often and paid more attention when you were there. It would have improved your credibility enormously.

Reply Posted by Ackerman on Monday September 2 2013 at 17:58
My Wife came up with an idea. Why not take a week of the 6 week holidays and allow parents to have a flexi week, where you can choose which 5 days to hae your kids of school for holidays

Reply Posted by Aidan on Monday September 2 2013 at 18:14
the government cannot dictate to me what i do and when, if i want to take a holiday with my family then it shall happen, not when school or them tory ponces tell me i can. my wife can only get certain times off with being a nurse (all term time) should we be denied a holiday? NO! the government can do one on this subject

Reply Posted by john on Monday September 2 2013 at 19:28
only thing that bugs me on this subject is people are getting fined left right and centre for taking their kids out early for their holidays but the one thing you dont hear much of is those idiot parents that cant be botherd to take there kids to school or they dont care about there were abouts there the ones that should be fined there the ones that dont deserve kids.

Reply Posted by mae brussel on Monday September 2 2013 at 19:58
I find it a bit strange how this debate has not taken into account. that.,the people moaning cannot get time off work.during
christmas. Easter. half term. summer holiday august bank and the second half term.
But you can get your 4 to 6 week holiday
at any other time.
How many moan about how long kids get for school holidays or ill be glad when there back at school.
For those idiots who dont understand why its more expensive during scchool holidays then you also need to go back to school

Reply Posted by Jenny on Monday September 2 2013 at 20:05
The system is just unfair, if your child attends school and alway has 100% attendance you should be allowed to take them on a family holiday. It's not always about it been cheaper but it's sometimes due to annual leave at work and work pressures.

Reply Posted by x on Monday September 2 2013 at 21:25
is insulting someone the only way you can get your point over youngsprout,its nearly 40 yrs since i was at school,iv'e probably forgotten most of what you have yet to learn . i am also inteligent enough not to have to stoop to using insults

Reply Posted by youngsprout on Monday September 2 2013 at 22:43
You clearly appear to have forgotten most of what you learnt!

Reply Posted by Swifty on Monday September 2 2013 at 22:06
Take the kids on holiday as you the parents feel fit. You can not put a price on childhood memories on there holidays.

Don't forget to buy the teacher a present they will soon forget you was not at school that week.

Reply Posted by jules on Monday September 2 2013 at 22:15
Bolloxs bolloxs bolloxs ok for cameron n co to go on holidays in six week hols cos he robs us all chuffing blind wi our hard earned money the bell end KISS MY ASS TO SCHOOL FEES

Reply Posted by xxxxxxxx on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 14:03
wel said jules.

Reply Posted by joanna&carl on Monday September 2 2013 at 22:26
No point in even asking for a holiday form just to get knocked back. Just take em out of school n put em on sick

Reply Posted by JC on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 01:47
I nearly fell victim to a headteachers discretion, the one who allowed a 'kiddy' to go to disneyland to be a bridesmaid, wouldn't give me permission to go away in October following the death of my father in the summer holidays.Without previous absence and high achieving I did suggest that schools don't have a monopoly in learning, and Carcasonne seemed to be in that box. I was advised by said headteacher to get a letter from my employer. He knew I was self employed and was insistent I could come up with something.
The outcomes were that I found out the only appeal was court, but alas then would have gained either a sentence of a parenting course or a custodial stay, much preferred, but worse a criminal record, which would have cost my job. All at the discretion of a headteacher I'm unaccountable too.
Learnt lesson LIE

Reply Posted by Paul on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 06:43
So does that mean if our children don't come out school with all the relevant exam passes, we can take the school to court , or the school gets fined...
Same principles...

Reply Posted by Me.... on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 09:31
I took my kids away teem time last year for an exeptional circumstance and despite asking two months earlier it was approved only days before we went. Even if unapproved we would have still gone at that stage n probably got fined. The school have suggested this yr to another parent that only "some" will face fines for taking hols in term time, when questioned they sed not those receiving benefits. (Is there school choice in this??) This isnt going to work unless it applies to everyone benefits or not if u can afford the hols u can afford the fine! Agree with all above hols should be made cheaper on a tight budget paying double for your hol or going in term time n paying fine is a no brainer.

Reply Posted by x on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 09:57
and you clearly have a lot yet to learn youngsprout,one of them being how to have an opinion without having to resort to insults to get your point over.such a shame that you hav'nt quite grasped how to have an adult conversation yet,never mind im sure it will come with a little more education and maturity.

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 10:43
God,there a few on them on here. Some of them are older too. Dare I say, she sounds a bit like the brussel

Reply Posted by Me on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 12:46
Another way for council to make their money as they kno people will pay the fines as they'll get a cheaper holiday still!

Reply Posted by scott on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 13:09
£3400 all inclusive for 2 adults and 2 kids in august to tenerife!!! in july its £2100 you do the maths, like most I'll take the £60 fine

Reply Posted by youngsprout on Thursday September 5 2013 at 19:09
You'r paying far too much. Silly boy

Reply Posted by felix on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 21:35
Schools are open 195 days per year out of 365 including every weekend of the year public. and bank holidays suumer break. if you cant entertain your children in all this holiday times there is something very wrong with you. i think the fine should be £500 and you should have to get a sick note if your child is ill

Reply Posted by Emma on Wednesday September 4 2013 at 19:22
You tell me y shunt we take our children out cos the price doubles in price in holidays n wen we went on 1 of our holidays last year y was the one of my daughters teachers on the same cruise during term time n yes they r educational more than been at school especially abroad holidays it stinks n it won't b stopping me

Reply Posted by Colin on Wednesday September 4 2013 at 19:34
My partner works in a school .we have to pay a fortune out to go away abroad .so what about the teachers ?

Reply Posted by Scott Skirrow. on Wednesday September 4 2013 at 19:46
Its about time the courts had all the major travel companies in front of them. Because the prices the price increases they charge during school holidays is an absolute rip off and immoral. I have no choice but to pay the extra money. As I work in a school, I have to take my annual holiday entitlement during the school holidays.

Reply Posted by WhoGivesA on Wednesday September 4 2013 at 19:51
I take my kids out every year whenever the prices r the cheapest! I havnt been fined yet! If they ever decide to fine me i will take it on the chin! My disabled sister was refused time off from her special needs school to go to Disneyland Florida pahahahahahhahaha! And before the teachers among you start correcting my grammar im commenting on we are barnsley chavs not writing a best seller! End!

Reply Posted by Trace on Wednesday September 4 2013 at 20:08
To all the people who agree with this....do you have kids? Mine haven't started school yet but when they do if we can afford a holiday (which we would have to save for - and yes I work and my husband has a business) I would be taking it in term time! We went away to a caravan earlier this year...cost £350 for the week...for a week in August it would be £800 - so it's not only going abroad that takes the pee!!

Reply Posted by CATHY on Wednesday September 4 2013 at 21:27
Already booked our hols 4 next year dunt giv a shit 2 school or council go away every 2 yrs she never as a day off so if they think I should pay £400 more 2 go 3 weeks earlier well think agen fine mi over n out

Reply Posted by Tracy on Thursday September 5 2013 at 16:18
There are many sides and complications to this... Two of my daughters go to different schools in different catchment areas which means some of the holidays don't match up !! We are unable to go away for two weeks to see our family who live abroad and this is the only time we get to see them. Also if we were fined it would still be a lot cheaper than paying the inflated priced the airline charges.
I think the airlines should stop been bloody greedy and keep the cost the same in the holidays too problem solved !

Reply Posted by x on Thursday September 5 2013 at 18:21
just another way for this government to kick the poorer people of this country in the teeth.never mind though it will soon be election year,then just watch all the vunerable fall for the crap they will promiss them only to go back on it after people stupidly vote them back in

Reply Posted by fred on Thursday September 5 2013 at 18:30
Parents should be charged £60 a day for taking their children out of school -- Who do you think pays the £7000 a year for every child to attend school.

Reply Posted by Kevin Grimshaw on Thursday September 5 2013 at 19:07
It is ridiculous that parents are being fined £60 for taking their children out of school. It should be £160.

Reply Posted by x on Friday September 6 2013 at 11:36
i work in a large factory where i reckon 90% of the people who work there have school aged children.if everyone took their holidays during the 6 wks holidays i think the factory would have to be closed down for the duration of the holidays.i should imagine places that employ large amounts of staff would all face the same problem.i also can't help wandering what the knock on affect would be on travel companies, airports, places like butlinsand pontins etc who rely on more than the 6wks holidays to survive

Reply Posted by LV on Friday September 6 2013 at 14:17
I was taken out of school twice for holidays in the entirety of my time at school - both times because our holidays were booked in October - if we'd booked to coincide with the summer holiday it would have been too hot for me and my dad because of a congenital skin condition - I'd have had to be bathed in sun cream and have to spend the entire holiday under an umbrella or have fun for one day then spend the rest of the holiday in the room recovering - and had it been booked for a week to coincide with the October half term everything would have been closed because of the end of the season! I genuinely get ill if it's too hot and going abroad on holiday in August is a definite no no, even now, I can only just manage the British summer (what we get of it).

Reply Posted by Jd on Friday September 6 2013 at 14:32
I have just Been fined £60 per child for taking my two grandsons out of school to attend a wedding abroad which has been booked for nearly 2 years.(both grandchildren live with me).
We were a mature couple who never had to think about holidays and now due to circumstances out of our control we choose to look after our grand kids for the next 15 yrs not only has our life been put on hold bot we are then penalised again by taking them with us . Did the council prefer us to leave them at school and in the care of Local authority at a cost of thousands to the tax payer . Get real and treat people as humans and not muppets . We have no choice as to when we have holidays as we have a set shutdown period at work and now I hear on daybreak that from now on it will be a criminal offence to take kids out of school. DISGUSTING

Reply Posted by G on Friday September 6 2013 at 15:32
Many Tory ministers will have shares in Holiday companies, by bring in this change, it will mean far more parents will now take their kids on holiday in school holidays, this will enable the companies to increase their prices, leaving us out of pocket yet again, whilst the rich get richer from the poor.
I have no problem taking my kids on holiday in t shut down, but it needs legislation to bring the Rip off firms from exploiting the situation, as i am very sure they will. Believe me if you think it's expensive now, just wait....

Reply Posted by m on Friday September 6 2013 at 15:49
This isn't something new that has been brought out, I have 2 kids and was a single parent,I took my kids away twice during 1 school year about 9 years ago and was fined £200,needless to say we haven't had a holiday since!

Reply Posted by Nick on Friday September 6 2013 at 20:17
This is disgusting why can we not shorten some of the school holidays and allow parents to book 10 days off school as we all do from our workplace or actually do school work up to the day they break up and from the day they resume school because as every parent knows the few days before they break up and return they just play .... I notice the scots are looking after there citizens and fair play to them they break up a couple of weeks before the English i understand punishing someone who does it regularly but it always feels like you what I say goes

Reply Posted by fake illness on Friday September 6 2013 at 20:26
ALL i can say is , why dont the children have less holidays ?

Reply Posted by Jayne on Friday September 6 2013 at 21:09
Well Fred, if you are saying its 7,000 a year to school a child then asking who pays for them well me and my hubby pay for ours out of our taxes cocka so If I want to take mine out then I will. Stop making out that nobody pay's for there kids mate cos I get nothing for mine and neither do I expect anything. I had em so I will take care of em

Reply Posted by Clare on Sunday September 8 2013 at 09:21
Why doesn't the government start tackling holiday companies for putting up prices when children are off school?? It's the same holiday ie same hotel same fuel costs etc. If travel companies weren't ripping off families there would be no need to remove children from school.

Reply Posted by rog on Sunday September 8 2013 at 09:26
Love a family of SEVEN, complaining it costs £5k to holiday abroad....Im sure it wasn't Thomas Cook who made them have the five children....oh by the way a Ferrari 458 Itaia costs £180k, blame Ferrari for making a car you can't afford and get five kids in.

Reply Posted by king louis on Sunday September 8 2013 at 11:29
8 years a go I worked for a Dewsbury building company that would not allow me to have a holiday at school shutdown because that was when we worked on the bigger projects on the schools buildings. I booked a family holiday afterward in September and Wombwell High School would in no way accept that i could take my children on holiday and so fined us for doing so. Asking how it was possible to have a family holiday they gave no answer. Its just a scam to make money from familes

Reply Posted by Daniel Hall on Sunday September 8 2013 at 12:58
The government has sneaked this law through! myself and a lot of our friends are just becoming aware of this draconian law.I thought we all had rights? and lived a democracy! I also noticed that an e- petion was set up to oppose this law.It is now closed with only 48000 signatures. I think we should start another now that more struggling families are just coming to terms with this unjust law and achieve well over a 100000 signatures so that MPs can be made aware of how out of touch they are with the real people of the country!

Reply Posted by Michelle on Sunday September 8 2013 at 16:00
This is not new. I have been fined by Shafton ALC, previously Willowgarth 3 years in a row.Thank god it is my daughters last year at school. We always go on holiday to different places with a lot of culture and sometimes off the beaten track. My daughter learns more in that 2 weeks than she does the whole year at school about geography, geology, religion, maths (money management), time keeping, socialising, physical activities, history, archeaology, music and world culture. She always comes home with an additional long list of new facebook friends from all around the world. How on earth is taking them out of school detrimental to their education. Both my husband and I are restricted as to when we can take annual leave so have to plan around work not school. Money making racket but it is different when school closes for a bit of snow or strikes or teacher training!!

Reply Posted by x on Monday September 9 2013 at 13:10
whats going to happen to all the child focused holiday camps such as butlins,pontins etc,dont they rely on people having holidays all season they wont be able to survive if they have to rely on the 6wks holidays,because if people are foing during term time because of cost,then they arn't going to suddenly start going,these companies are going to lose thousends of pounds a week,and what about airlines,how many flights a year are they going to lose out on,and the holiday destinations who depend on holiday makers to survive.From what i can see the only people who will benefit from this is the government.yet another kick in the teeth for the hard working poorer people of this country,another way for the rich to control us.

Reply Posted by Secret on Tuesday September 10 2013 at 15:23
It's disgusting, my husband as his holidays when the company he works for tells him to. I had a letter from council I six weeks holidays threatening me cos my kid was late a few times wtf!!!

Reply Posted by Jack on Tuesday September 10 2013 at 17:28
2 years ago I took my eldest grandson on his first and probably only holiday to Turkey. We went for just 1 week during the 6 week holidays. He learned more about culture in that week than he had ever learned in 9 years of schooling. He also learned with first hand knowledge about how time differences work through lines of longtitude. He also learned where other countries were as we flew over them. One will always remember more by seeing and doing something than being told it. Even more so if it is enjoyable.
As for the comment by x about Butlins etc, if you can fine parents for taking their children out of school in term time, then why cannot Butlins be fined for aiding and abetting children to be out of school? Ludicrous isn't it.

Reply Posted by Shelley on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 20:54
I usually take my son out of school for 2 days just before the May Spring Bank holiday, not that its any cheaper to go away that week because it isn't just that we usually go for a 10 day holiday rather than a week. Therefore we'll have to think twice now. It does annoy me that we could be fined for these 2 days off school when just recently an inset day and the one day strike action resulted in exactly the same time off school.

Reply Posted by lee on Wednesday January 15 2014 at 23:55
I think this is completely disgusting i have two children work 50hour weeks and try to spend as much time with them as possible but holiday companies charge nearly 50% more when schools are off not only this my work place would have to close as all 22 of us have kids too. Im all about getting my kids the best education both have 100% attendance both getting the best grades they can but yet denied a few days off for a family holiday due to thus law.
This brings me to onto the next bit WHY have 6 week holidays then have a teachers training day on the first day back to school is that not affecting my childrens education or striking??? To many do gooders messing up lives and familys with stupid laws and idiotic ideas to generate money from working class people. A childs education is very important dont get me wrong but also is life your a long time dead

Reply Posted by Teacher on Friday April 11 2014 at 01:09
This new legislation is the same as using a sledge hammer to crack a nut.
Two weeks off school for a holiday does cause short term problems for children's learning BUT, if their overall attendance is good, they quickly catch up.

The issue really is the small percentage of parents who allow their children to take time off on a regular basis. In a large secondary school, there will be about 20 families who attend for less than 60% of the time. These are the students who are really being affected by poor attendance and yet it often takes 6 months before these parents are fined. (The Education Welfare Officers usually instigate this and head teachers are loathed to use the fines without their say so)

The old system, where head teachers could grant 2 weeks absence, worked fine. At my school this was granted if the child had at least 90% attendance and less than 5% lateness in the last 2 terms.

As you will see from my signature, I'm a teacher. I have no issue with my students missing 2 weeks for a family holiday unless it's the first 2 weeks of the year. I would implore any parent not to take them at the start of September. It's not just that all subjects are starting new topics, it's the social aspects. These can have a real detriment on a child's happiness at school and this impacts on their performance. At the start of the year seating plans are organised in classrooms (14 subjects in a secondary school), students create friendship groups within each class (it's possible that a child can be in 14 different groups dependant on how setting is done), clubs are started and teams selected, project groups are put together and SEN provision is established. Imagine starting back at school and finding that your best friend now sits with someone new and the only remaining seat in the class is with someone you don't like. Or that your place on the football team has been taken by a 'new kid'. Or that the LSA you have established a relationship with has been moved to work with another child. (In this case, parents might complain, but the LSA has now started work with that other child and established routines with their teachers so it's unlikely they will be moved back)