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Pelican Crossing Campaign Dismissed By Council

Wednesday August 21 2013

A CEREBRAL palsy sufferer who has called on the council to install a pelican crossing near his home has been knocked back.

Mark Ravenhill has campaigned for a crossing to be put on Church Street, Carlton, for him and his neighbours, many of whom also suffer from medical ailments.

"Myself and my neighbours on Spring
Grove have various ailments that stop us being able to cross the road safely," said Mark.

"Due to this, we often miss our buses to town. Around Christmas time last year I was crossing the road and a car clipped my wheelchair. Another
second and he could have knocked me over, now I am nervous to cross the road alone.

"Despite my condition, I'm a very independent person and I like to go out on my own, which I find difficult to do without a safe place to cross.

"My condition means that I cannot walk, I have use in one arm only and limited motor skills, as well as difficulties with my speech."

Cllr Roy Miller, cabinet spokesperson for Development, Environment and Culture, said: "We have been in regular contact with Mr Ravenhill over a number of years and have explored every avenue available to us.

"We fully understand Mr Ravenhill’s concerns, but have repeatedly explained to him and his representatives the reasons why we cannot accommodate the pelican crossing he wishes for.

"Even if the site met the national criteria in terms of traffic flow and pedestrian footfall - which it doesn’t - the constraints of the site in terms of the width of the road and the footpaths would make installation impossible.

"Also, research has demonstrated that low-usage crossings can be more dangerous than not having a crossing there at all, given that drivers get so used to the light being green that they effectively stop taking notice of the signals.

"We have installed a lot of works in response to Mr Ravenhill’s concerns, including dropped kerbs at every junction along the road to aid those with mobility issues, as well as additional signing to warn drivers that vulnerable people may be crossing the road.

"However, unless there are dramatic changes in the criteria governing crossing installations or in the amount of traffic and pedestrians along the road, we have no more options available to us."

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Reply Posted by Guesty Mcguest on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 13:12
usual crap coming out of Roy Millers mouth.

Even if they did decide to install Mr Ravenhill would have moved or died of old age before BMBC would manage to get the works done at a considerable cost.

Reply Posted by richard on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 19:44
BMBC is a disgrace to all mankind, they always have plenty of money for crap projects like the failed broadband & that utter disaster called the A61 roadworks. I know how bad it is to cross the road to Carlton Park especially just after the really bad S bend or where the pavement ramp is. Even most people able bodied find it really difficult to cross never mind someone in a wheelchair. I would like to see the person who rejected this to try getting across in a wheelchair & we all know they couldn’t. I bet if a member of a councillor’s family was killed here I could guarantee a crossing would be put in pronto.

Reply Posted by rye on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 13:35
ive known mark a lot of years and most of the ppl who live in that complex too and I know how bad they are they need a crossing there when will the council listen them probly when 1 of them have been knocked out of there wheel chair and killed at the end of the day ther all limited to what they can do and mark realys on his independence to hes got

Reply Posted by king louis on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 13:45
people cannot have personal road crossings because if they move house further along the street then their crossing would have to be moved too. It's not a good use of taxpayers money

Reply Posted by king dick on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 16:34
buses to Barnsley go in two directions from Carlton Church one towards Monk Bretton means crossing the road the other goes towards New Lodge without crossing a road it's the same choice on the return journey

Reply Posted by morgan on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 16:22
try stopping in a little more, getting on the bus at the wharhcliffe Arms getting off at Monk Bretton roundabout to come back to where you started

Reply Posted by paul on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 16:31
Mark you have more chance getting a Big dipper installed

Reply Posted by Nici on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 16:34

Reply Posted by king con on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 21:05
The nearest site for a crossing would be outside Lyons factory it would not be viable unless Mark got some spare money. The only thing to do is [ Forget It]

Reply Posted by John B on Thursday August 22 2013 at 08:30
There about 17,000 blue badge holders in barnsley maybe they should all get a pelican crossing each and a disbled parking space outside their house, ooooh then what about pensioners they could do with one each and then don't forget the school children!! Get real we would never be able to drive anywhere without stopping every 100 yards and our council tax would be double. I've lived round here for ages and whoever drempt up puting the disabled living houses there in the first place needs their head looking at as all the road junctions and narrow footpaths in the area are totally innapropriate for people with wheelchairs. I sympathise with mark but the council can't put a crossing in for everyone who wants one!

Reply Posted by flapper on Thursday August 22 2013 at 10:51
Win the lottery,problem solved its the only way.maybe then you could buy a helicopter

Reply Posted by mark on Thursday August 22 2013 at 10:53
Mark moaning off as usual.

Reply Posted by The Voice Of Reason on Thursday August 22 2013 at 11:07
But where do you want them to put the crossing if it doesn't physically fit in? Talk about asking the impossible.

Reply Posted by Mr Ravenhill on Thursday August 22 2013 at 11:08
Dear Cllr Roy Miller,
No i'm not going to stop campaigning as you have given me a load of bullshit these last two years, all year round. No, this doesn't revolve around me and Lucy. i'm doing this for everyone, able bodied or not so put that in your pipe and smoke it! People at the centre who aren't as able-bodied as others who cant get about on their own need a support worker with them and i'm not going to drop this until this issue is fixed.
Have a nice day,
Mark The campaigner

Reply Posted by Flapper on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 08:51
Mark the Moaning Groaning Campaigner Stop playing on the motorway

Reply Posted by Flapper on Wednesday September 4 2013 at 11:37
Get a full time job as a typist if youve wrote that crap.

Reply Posted by Claire on Thursday August 22 2013 at 11:09
Wishing you all the luck with your campaign.

Reply Posted by mark betts on Thursday August 22 2013 at 11:49
Well said Mark.
Im sure the council will waste money on other less important things or the councillors expenses.

Reply Posted by John B on Thursday August 22 2013 at 12:51
I've read the article agagin and it doesn't seem to mention the issue of costs, rather that the amount of people crossing are too low to meet with the requirements for providing a new crossing and also not being able to physically install the equipment in the narrow footpaths!! Am I missing somenthing?? To be honest I'm glad someone at the town hall is not just spending money willynilly and using a bit of common sense. People seem to complain either way if the Council spends or saves money = can't win!

PS Do you really think Roy Miller would be on here responding to this?

Reply Posted by The Voice Of Reason on Thursday August 22 2013 at 14:22
John B showing everybody who's boss with that comment. Totes agree!

Reply Posted by christine guest on Thursday August 22 2013 at 16:50
BMBC waste so much money on stupid trains that no one wants and knocking down perfectly good homes to build others its about time they listened to the people who elect them and who pays their wages

Reply Posted by John B on Thursday August 22 2013 at 20:29
Trains???? Come on, enlighten me as I haven't heard about the council wasting money on trains!! Unless you mean HS2 then your getting confused with central government as that's nowt to do with the Council??

Reply Posted by John Smiths on Friday August 23 2013 at 12:14

Reply Posted by LV on Saturday August 24 2013 at 14:58
I can see where Mark is coming from in wanting a crossing there - it's a bad road for pedestrians and car drivers. But for a crossing to be put on Church Street itself isn't a good idea - you would still need to cross Shaw Lane to get to the nearest bus stop. A crossing at the end of Fish Dam Lane - where the bus stop is on the side opposite the Wharncliffe would be a suitable location and the current stop could be moved further up or be taken away and the stop opposite can be made to signal a stop on both sides.

No request is impossible, you just need to look at it logically.

Church Street is too narrow for a suitable crossing in terms of the footpath and the road doesn't have enough visibility for drivers for a crossing to be effective, Fish Dam Lane has enough visibility and width!

Reply Posted by Mr pete on Monday August 26 2013 at 13:51
Mark dont waste your time and energy its not going to happen stick to playing scrabble.

Reply Posted by LOO on Monday August 26 2013 at 20:38
Hope he wasn't knocked back by a car - that would be too ironic!!

Reply Posted by daveyboy on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:01
if he caught 194 or tates 34 at the church he wouldnt have to cross the road at all. yes i see his point but he makes life harder for himself!

Reply Posted by Mr pete on Wednesday August 28 2013 at 09:16

Reply Posted by Sam the man on Wednesday August 28 2013 at 17:14

Reply Posted by moaning groaning thats me on Wednesday August 28 2013 at 17:22
Money hes got coming in he ought to be in Mayors limo THE 1

Reply Posted by mark on Thursday August 29 2013 at 06:43

Reply Posted by locknuttight on Thursday August 29 2013 at 18:45
A magic roundabout may do the trick said Doogle to Zebadee HOP off HOP on

Reply Posted by mrdogooder on Tuesday September 3 2013 at 08:34
And what else do you want for christmas mark.