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Heritage Group Appeals For Public's Support

Tuesday August 20 2013

Group appeals for public's support Group appeals for public's support

A HERITAGE group is appealing for the public's support after funding was rejected for a railway station and mining memorial to be built.

Elsecar Heritage Railway - which is to be renamed Coalfields Memorial Railway - is appealing for residents to sign a petition after its funding application to Biffa Awards was rejected - due to a perceived lack of public support.

Railway chairman Del Tilling, 62, said the group hopes to secure £50,000 to complete its steam railway by the 30th anniversary of the beginning of the 1984-85 miners' strike on March 26.

The line currently runs a mile-and-a-half from Elsecar Heritage Centre to Tingle Bridge Lane in Hemingfield but the group wants to extend the line another mile to Cortonwood. Since the installation of a level crossing at Tingle Bridge, the track has been slowly creeping towards its target, though this has been delayed by the bird nesting season.

"We want to say thank you for 300 years of coal mining and the memorial garden would provide people with a history of mining in this area, not just Cortonwood," Del said.

"It would also commemorate the sacrifices made by miners - including the 1866 Barnsley Oaks disaster and the 11 who died during the miners' strike.

"It's important because so much of the area's mining heritage has been erased from the maps, but we think this is of national importance because the whole of Britain was changed as a result of what happened at Cortonwood in 1984. It was a watershed moment for the country."

Residents can sign a petition at Elsecar Heritage Centre and the group will also be starting an online e-petition in due course.

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Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 15:42
why do they want a railway line to go to cortonwood,for whos benefit? for theres so they can charge more money to go on the train ,miners strike is nothing to do with it its just another money earner unless its free to go on this train ,local people cant afford to go on the bus never mind the train and there daft prices ,,,just another money racket

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 16:25
what utter bull crap mate, have you ever been to elsecar heritage centre? its really nice afternoon out. im no train buff but its for the kids mainly. the train enthusiasts can also learn to be a train driver for a small fee of course but its all about fun and education. something you obviously skipped when you where growing up.

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 17:30
its you thats full of crap with all your bull,i grew up in miners strike ,and i live local and elsecar heritage is a load of crap to us locals all they are trying to do is a money racket with some crap about miners strike ,next thing theyll be trying to open canals up and doing boat rides,elsecar has alot of people on benefits who cant afford to go on the train,they dunt think about local people on benefits last time i went you had to pay to get in which really should be free,then they ask for donations what a laugh ,anyone who goes only goes once cos its that crap ,and as for train buff it shows what you are ,perhaps you have sumet to do with elsecar heritage centre thats why you didnt like my comment ,but that a local feeling where i live,what about smithy bridge lane are they going to block that off for railway line so people cant drive up with a car ,very selfish people all for the money

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 20:11
anyway there was no fun in miners strike when i was growing up and education was coal not dole ,and for a small fee they can learn to drive a steam train thats educational thats after theyve paid to get in,and as for kids it comes out of parents pocket money they have not got ,unless you are working which alot of locals are not if you can enjoy yourself at elsecar heritage you must be boreing go spot a train someware and learn were your boundries are ,you make yourself look silly mr buff

Reply Posted by pete on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 22:30
hey craig you say nice afternoon out theres nowt there mate tha can look round in 10 minutes

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:27
depends if you include a walk over to the park as well. i dont do rushing.

Reply Posted by pete on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 16:46
craig whats park got to do with heritage centre make yer mind up ,tha wants to shut yer gob before somebody shuts it for yer

Reply Posted by Terry on Sunday January 19 2014 at 11:50
rich ... An appropriate name for somebody claiming not to be able to afford the Train Fare!

I for one (of many) wholeheartedly support this initiative

Reply Posted by Mick on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 16:14
Such a tiny amount of money to complete a great project that will bring more visitors to the town. It would pay for itself many times over. Come on BMBC you've just contributed to the write off of £83 million on a failed broadband scheme. Or don't you want it to go to Cortonwood because that's in Rotherham?

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 16:27
Cortonwood is actually Barnsley Mick.

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 17:37
cortonwood is rotherham and it shows craig dunt know what hes on with the boundry is brampton bridge rotherham one side barnsley other

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 17:39
brampton bridge shows a rotherham sign

Reply Posted by steve on Saturday August 24 2013 at 15:13
the sign that says rotherham as been moved now rich,further into brampton not much but cortonwood is still brampton rotherham i think that craig dunt know what hes on with

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:27
Rich go away mate, corton wood is served by barnlsey council. get over yourself.

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 18:39
cortonwood was on rotherham land you idiot

Reply Posted by Charles on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 16:34
I would like to wish the volunteers at Elsecar Heritage Railway every possible success with their work. Volunteers need to be supported wherever possible.

I do not see the need for a name change to Coalfields Memorial Railway. There is nothing wrong with EHR which is a good, strong, established name. Why tinker with it? Neither am I sure why they are aligning themselves with mining disasters. Surely they are railway volunteers.

Sadly, it is true that much of our mining heritage has been destroyed (shame on you Barnsley Council). However the place for any further memorials is possibly at the old Barnsley Main site. Incidentally, when can we expect the 'mothballed' buildings at this location to be refurbished and the area generally smartened up?

My advice to the volunteers would be to approach the retailers at Cortonwood Retail Park or the site owners as I feel reasonably sure that they would give consideration to supporting this project.

Reply Posted by sarah on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 16:52
cortonwood is classed as rotherham even though its in barnsley. Cant you remember the uproar over extending it Rotherham Council wanted to extend it bit Barnsley Council objected so nothing was done. Theres also a sign on the way into cortonwood that says welcome to rotherham.

Reply Posted by leon on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 17:07
I for one will be signing the petition think its a great train ride for the kids especially some of the themed trains at easter Halloween and Christmas worth every penny

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 17:50
this money the charge, local people cant afford they have to stand back and watch others who can afford it ,there is nowt for free for locals but they are wanting donations off local people ,elsecar /brampton ect alot of people are on benefits since they shut the pits cos there isnt any work ,what about a few freebies for the local kids whos parents cant afford it,kids with no money are not welcome the cant even get through the gate,

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:29
Always wanting something for free this bloke above.
get over yourself and accept change the pits are shut you scab

Reply Posted by ak on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 17:43
I want to kirkless railway station fun day with thomas n after been there on sat as a treat from a family member il defo be taking my kids to next one that happens here n wish i had done sooner as its a fantastic day out with kids if they can do what kirkless have done wi activities at the end of the line money will soon be paid back into project but as ive never been to 1 there i don't know if they do as many free activities as the 1 i went to at weekend

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 17:56
there isnt anything free at elsecar i even think you have to pay to go to the toilet,

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 18:02
anyway whats the oaks disaster got to do with elsecar heritage ,what about lundhill disaster which is at side of cortonwood did you forget about that one,5 minute walk away from cortonwood the lundhill explosion were many lives were lost

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 18:16
why do you think there is no public support for this silly venture because local people know what a money racket this is elsecar heritage is a washout for locals thats your local support why it was refused

Reply Posted by JM on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 18:32
I hope that a second application is successful. With Experience Barnsley museums success, and already over 25,000 visitors in just a month, it has renewed interest in local heritage and maybe it will have a knock-on effect in regards to other museum/heritage veues across the borough.

It certainly deserves it.

Reply Posted by one local on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 18:38
well said rich alot of us are on benefits or single parents not by choice and cant afford it ,they want local support but wont give us any free entries or activities for local children its an expensive day out and once youve been thats it,and alot of miners are from brampton ,wombell ect who went to cortonwood elsecar had its own pit

Reply Posted by Philip Taylor on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 18:46
Tourism is a fact that brings money into local economies. building a substantial steam railway will attract visitors to the area, coupled with the wetland centre nearby will bring must needed investment into the area (could be two big visitor attractions close to each other). You just have to look at Beamish.
I would like the heritage centre to expand on those lines. False economy not developing the steam railway for the local area.

Reply Posted by another local on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 19:40
they are wanting local support but you are talking about visitors,it was refused due to no local support,why do you think that was,they all no its a big con heritage,whats heritage about it,you can have anything you want but if locals cannot afford it then it means nothing ,its fagens den round here everyone for themselves there is no money about every thing about elsecar heritage centre is expensive its built in the wrong place all it is is different buisnesses in units selling second hand and homemade stuff at topwack prices waiting to fleece any visitor a rip off you cant expect us locals to back this as elsecar is full of drugs drug dealing and unemployment and depression and thats due to pits closing

Reply Posted by alisononelocal on Saturday August 24 2013 at 14:02
and phil whats your shop called in the centre as you keep chirping up ,the local support isnt behind it ,we know what your game is,wanting your buisness to grow

Reply Posted by jim on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 19:00
last time they stored railway lines it was all pinched they are not telling you that,locals had a birthday at the scrapyard weighing railway lines in,you will have kids on lines pinching copper wiring ect it will be a never ending bill ,locals dunt want this ,the didnt want the heritage centre elsecar is run down and they will never make anything of it,,too expensive and not for local people

Reply Posted by mae brussel on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 19:47
You can bet your life that when someone
wants your money
the community will benefit.
When someone wants your money they bring the miners into it. like they will benefit.
There is only one benefactor and thats the owner.
For the people who remember the 50s and 60s tingle bridge lane bottom was a pigs dinner for car users accidents .
Its on a double bend where the cottages are and you had to wait for ever to go up tingle bridge lane. a real down to earth accident black spot

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 20:36
well said never thought of the double bend at that side ,i did think about smithy bridge getting shut off to car uses ,its a really good point that ,but yet again they will try dictate to road uses,i just hope i ant give them an idea of canal boats lol poor fishermen will suffer then but that wont bother them,all for money ,greed

Reply Posted by mark on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 22:27
Looks like this thread has been hijacked by one or two brain-dead locals who want something for nothing. sorry, life is not like that.

Reply Posted by mick davies on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 23:21
hijacked what a div its the opinion of people who live here,they are wanting the support of local people in a run down coal villiage then want to charge silly money for train rides read first bit of story you backward div

Reply Posted by kev smith on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 23:36
so we are brain dead thats life round here in elsecar yes the local opinion thats what was wanted init we can see you must have something to do with elsecar heritage centre or you would understand us so whos brain dead now we are the people they want support from that got it refused in the first place ie no public support you know us braindead people

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:30
here here mark.. im local but i pay my way. seems rich doesnt

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 18:09
i will pay you a visit

Reply Posted by joe on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 23:41
yeah agree

Reply Posted by joe on Tuesday August 20 2013 at 23:47
benafits dosnt count

Reply Posted by "another local" on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 11:15
rich stop answering your own posts.

-Maybe the locals can get jobs when finished. Helping out with the volunteers would be good to put on CV and might help them stand out in an interview situation.

Good on the volunteers for doing something they want to be done rather than all these folk expecting to have their hands held by the council then moaning about everything.

Reply Posted by rich on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 11:56
jobs doing what and im not answering my own posts thats my opinion

Reply Posted by martin on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 12:00
they aint no jobs bro cut the bull and get in the real world stop dreaming and do one

Reply Posted by Mark on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 16:33
Of course there are jobs out there. Well, there are for people who bothered to get an education. Several posters on here appear not to have bothered going to school and now they want to blame everyone except themselves for their plight. The sooner they sort yourselves out the sooner they will start to enjoy life and become worthwhile members of society.

Reply Posted by pauline on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 18:49
of course theres jobs out there what a joker,mark are you drunk,if theres one job theres 600 applies for it and guess what nobody local gets it ,its normally the foreigners that gets it so the company doesnt get classed as racist ,talk about education you need to get one and get wised up on whats happening in england ,south yorkshire is doomed nar thats education for you ,enough said ,gis a job

Reply Posted by malcolm on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 20:45
so thats your answer to local peoples opinion then mark we are thick and never went to school whys that cos we dunt agree with you ,you will never get public support being insultive to local people ,

Reply Posted by Mark on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 22:29
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I happen to think that the Elsecar Heritage Railway is good for Elsecar and the wider Barnsley area. It is also my opinion that there are jobs available locally for people who want one and who are sufficiently well educated. Some of the people posting in this thread appear to be uneducated and as a consequence will find it difficult to obtain a job.

Reply Posted by john on Thursday August 22 2013 at 00:07
mr arrogant you are mark alot of people in elsecar and surrounding areas are retired miners and unemployment is at a very high but i guess a person like you does not care you are just a toss pot ,go play with your train that goes to noware how exciting

Reply Posted by rich on Thursday August 22 2013 at 01:06
mark you dont like peoples opinion so youre getting insultive with people,to get an education it costs money weve not all been brought up with a silver spoon in our mouth we are rough and ready the mining villiage of elsecar alot of people dunt want to know about elsecar heritage centre they take there kids to elsecar park,why dont you try to understand the locals instead of insulting them ,we see elsecar heritage as a money racket all you are trying to do is link it to cortonwood for buisness,then you are insulting our inteligence with the miners memorial angle ,in my opinion its clear you dont know owt about the area you are talking about ,or you would av commented on the lundhill pit explosion in 1857 were 200 men and boys lost there lifes this is very close to cortonwood so why do they mention oaks disaster when its no where near they should get to no there local history before trying to con the public

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:33
Bloody miners! im sick of hearing about these pits.. im glad they closed and put you out of work..

Reply Posted by tony on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 20:14
do they not realise residents in all this area dunt need reminding of the miners strike we live with it every day without all these stupid reminders,it was a nightmare we want it left in the past were it belongs,the area is still scared and will never recover

Reply Posted by king louis on Saturday August 24 2013 at 09:16
Its a few grown men playing with real trains and wanting funding, you cannot blame them for that but its not really something that local people think as a "miners memorial". Opening a vistor centre at a closed pit would be more fitting. Barnsley Main would be best suited for that with the abundance of space. I have a 250 Superdream motorcycle that many hundreds of miners used to go to work on but i don't expect others to pay to restore it... unless i write miners memorial on the tank, now there's a thought!!!

Reply Posted by Meme on Saturday August 24 2013 at 09:18
People from all over travel to the heritage centre it's not just for locals. You 'locals' don't seem to like it calling it a 'money racket'....noone is making you go there! I'm sure the heritage centre was there before you so stop finding things to moan about!

Reply Posted by Gotaheadache on Saturday August 24 2013 at 09:32
Just to throw a spanner in your rantings they have had free activities on for kids for the whole holidays, so maybe you want to give it a rest and actually see what they do. I am local and my kids have been on the train and i am a single parent and wasn't working at the time so not being able to afford it is rubbish!

Reply Posted by roboftinglebridge on Saturday August 24 2013 at 13:48
so whats your buisness in the heritage centre obviously you are not local,people on tingle bridge are against the train line you dont think about traffic build up when the train wants to come through accident waiting to happen theres double bends there to me you have been told to promote this

Reply Posted by From Elsecar on Saturday August 24 2013 at 09:43
How can people complain about such a great tourist attraction on their doorstep. Most of the businesses are run buy local people, so when you see both car parks full every weekend, that is "Tourists" ploughing their hard earned cash into our community. Extending the line and building the station will attract more visitors will it not? 50k needed to build the station, that sounds like a bargain to me. Stop whining and support your community.

Reply Posted by jill on Saturday August 24 2013 at 13:51
people complain because all your are bothered about is the money and your shi__ing all over the locals it was a quite villiage now being made into a ratrace for your greed i will be signing against it put the train in your back garden

Reply Posted by bill on Saturday August 24 2013 at 14:40
from a local whinger as you say so stop whining fill my bank account and make my buisness grow is that what you mean

Reply Posted by Elsecar on Saturday August 24 2013 at 10:15
The Heritage Centre costs about as anywhere else, so the argument that its overpriced is a joke. For kids, theres the soft indoor play area - that costs less than ones in Sheffield, Donny and even the one in Barnsley. Yes its more than it costs in term time but its supply and demand, prices go up.

Getting £50k to finish the railway can only be good right? It will bring people in to ELSECAR to spend their money there. People forget that its not public transport, its to go on an old fashioned steam train - are you saying you begrudge paying to go on it? Well, dont go on it then, noone's forcing you. When we went, the kids loved it. We'll go on it again once the extension is finished.

I don't get you "locals" moaning about it. It brings people into the area, so you should be fully on board with it, even if you don't want to use it.

Reply Posted by dotlocal on Saturday August 24 2013 at 14:26
we dont want our quiet village flooding with cars and trains,you may for you wealth ,you are just filling your pockets with money and expecting us to back you,one word sums you up greed

Reply Posted by jill on Saturday August 24 2013 at 14:29
are the local people a joke to elsecar heritage centre as long as your buisness gows who cares

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:40
Local people are a joke jill, as they dont want to accept change. money is good for elsecar it may also bring new jobs for people. rich has'nt got a job so maybe he will hand his cv in.

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 17:33
MIserable Old goat, no wonder yorkshires failing with an attitude like yours.
the uk's cant recover because of all you old moaners that are a strain on our way of life and infastructure, we are not down pit in 1960 naaa cock..
stop being a drain and do us all a favour.

Reply Posted by rich on Saturday August 24 2013 at 13:26
you are full of it all you want to do is make your bank account bigger ,you want the trainline to go to cortonwood so you can get buisness from there,then you stick a miners memorial attatched to it ,what you are doing is taking the countryside and sticking a train through it,you are not bothered about local people you are all for yourselves and the money anyone with half of brain can see what you are doing with your cons and heritage centre is a washout for locals as local people go to elsecar park ,you talk about carparks being full thats because people get attracted to this false advertising and promotions elsecar heritage is a big con,money racket ,and you can get all your shopkeepers to keep commenting as they are going to do as its there buisness you want to see it from our point the people of elsecar,the ex miners and so on

Reply Posted by jb on Saturday August 24 2013 at 19:50
Well I think this is a fantastic plan for the railway and I really hope they can get funding all the volunteers work really hard to keep the railway going for others to enjoy shame on all of you who dont support it I wish I could win the lottery I would willingly pay for it completing .

Reply Posted by ** on Saturday August 24 2013 at 20:39
The postcode for the shops at cortonwood is S73 their addresses state its barnsley. Rotherham postcodes start with S6

Reply Posted by rich on Saturday August 24 2013 at 21:30
the boundry sign states rotherham but i suppose you will bend a straight boundry to suit yourself and if you are that concerned about funding why dont you remortgage your house and give them it,no your hearts not really in it you are just bothered about money from it

Reply Posted by Craig. on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:41
Its barnlsey rich, get over it mate. and get a job!!

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 16:10
i have got a job you backward div and its rotherham

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 17:21
Check wikipedia Cortonwood, stopping draggin your knuckles monkey..

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 17:20
yeah yeah whatever mate.. what doing? lollipop man lol

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 18:21
real big man whats up you hideing behind yer keyboard i know who you are ,and my opinions are from the local people and if you were local you would know this ,and if you want to get personal say it to my face not on here if you hard enough,

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 18:58
How are you local to elsecar if your from wombwell you muppet.
i dont know where you mean enlighten me?

Reply Posted by Craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 19:02
I found you, local girl recieves asbo?

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 19:04
i have alot of family in elsecar go on the elsecar heritage write up at the begining of this page thats me click on picture of elsecar heritage comments ,and what do think local to cortonwood is

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 19:08
go down we are barnsley page and find the original write up and pic then click on it

Reply Posted by Craig.. on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 19:12
with the digger?

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 18:23
obviously you dont know what you are talking about local people know cortonwood was built on rotherham land big shot

Reply Posted by craig on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 19:23
i remember seeing that picture but its gone now, have you got pigtails?

Reply Posted by rich on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 21:21
i was talking about the trainline its him getting personal ,calling people scabs and getting jobs ect ,for me trainline can go were it likes ,but when it comes to mentioning memorials to get public support it stinks why not just say we want to extend it and need public help go about it in right way and once in while give deprived kids a free ticket for a train ride maybe they will get alot more public help,instead of drumming up bad feeling mentioning miners ,im not scared of putting my name to anything richard clarke from wombwell im not hiding behind a keyboard ,im not against the trainline only the memorial bit and i want that to be known,when i read heading regarding what they wanted it stunk of that,i do have friends and relatives in elsecar who also think that miners shouldnt have been mentioned to get what they want,theres also problems with crossing at bottom of tingle bridge lane in old days corner of junction wasnt as it is today the junction was closer to the main road now the railway line is smack on the junction this will cause highway problems,to be rights if railway line is staying there and crossing is going ahead the junction should be put back as it use to be ,the railway line at present doesnt fit the modern junction this is my last word on this page ,end of and if craig wants to pm me let him so its kept off this page

Reply Posted by Craig on Wednesday August 28 2013 at 12:12
i was just winding you up mate, everybody's entitled to their own opinion.