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Demolition Plan For Local Pub

Monday April 16 2012




PLANS to demolish a Staincross pub and replace it with houses have been submitted to Barnsley Council.

Mason Building Contractors Ltd want to demolish The Masons Arms on New Road, and build a small estate of new homes, including three town houses on the site.

The planning application states: "The public house has not been operating profitably for a number of years and the owners (Brewery) have been unable to attract suitable operators to run the business successfully."

The application is now being considered by the council.

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Reply Posted by Cart5832002 on Monday April 16 2012 at 12:52
soon be no pubs left in barnsley

Reply Posted by Sabre2009 on Monday April 16 2012 at 12:56
This country wont be satisfied untill its knocked everything thats old down,and destroy our history,and put up houses all over the place taking up our land,so that not only do we lose our history but lose our wild life, because theres no room left for them.

Reply Posted by Tom on Monday April 16 2012 at 13:25
Lowest amount of housebuilding in the UK since the 1923...


There is a lack of housing and a lack of housebuilding, the people of the UK haven't even had enough children to replace themselves for over 40 years now. (Total fertility rate of 2.1 = replacement rate - and not since 1971 has the UK TFR exceeded 2.1, our population may have grown, but only due to immigration).

Without new housing, without new families (people having children in the first place), our communities shall wither and die.  Why aren't people having families?  Ask the young of today?  What do they say?  The cost of living is too expensive, the cost of housing is too expensive.  They struggle to rent a room in a shared house.

Do you really expect the pubs to do well?  The local people either have no money to spend as their a housing costs consume all their hard earned, or they have not been born into existence in the first place.
There wouldn't be a single pub in Barnsley, hell Barnsley wouldn't even be on the map if it wan't for people settling here, building houses.  Once they had housing they built pubs.  If you want to keep the pubs, you need affordable housing.The lack of housing will just result in homeless people drinking on the streets.Shame to see a pub go, but with more housing (and as long as it is affordable), then there will at least be potential for a pub to do business in the area.  Because at the minute that pub makes a loss and nobody wants to throw money down the drain.If you really want a community, a place with a pub even, you need people, and those people need to have disposable income to spend in the pub.  When they have nowhere to live, or if they do, the roof over their head consumes all their income, don't be surprised when there is a lack of people spending money in the pub.  Don't be surprised when the pub closes down.

Reply Posted by Tom on Monday April 16 2012 at 13:25
Lowest amount of housebuilding in the UK since the 1923...


There is a lack of housing and a lack of housebuilding, the people of the UK haven't even had enough children to replace themselves for over 40 years now. (Total fertility rate of 2.1 = replacement rate - and not since 1971 has the UK TFR exceeded 2.1, our population may have grown, but only due to immigration).

Without new housing, without new families (people having children in the first place), our communities shall wither and die.  Why aren't people having families?  Ask the young of today?  What do they say?  The cost of living is too expensive, the cost of housing is too expensive.  They struggle to rent a room in a shared house.

Do you really expect the pubs to do well?  The local people either have no money to spend as their a housing costs consume all their hard earned, or they have not been born into existence in the first place.
There wouldn't be a single pub in Barnsley, hell Barnsley wouldn't even be on the map if it wan't for people settling here, building houses.  Once they had housing they built pubs.  If you want to keep the pubs, you need affordable housing.The lack of housing will just result in homeless people drinking on the streets.Shame to see a pub go, but with more housing (and as long as it is affordable), then there will at least be potential for a pub to do business in the area.  Because at the minute that pub makes a loss and nobody wants to throw money down the drain.If you really want a community, a place with a pub even, you need people, and those people need to have disposable income to spend in the pub.  When they have nowhere to live, or if they do, the roof over their head consumes all their income, don't be surprised when there is a lack of people spending money in the pub.  Don't be surprised when the pub closes down.

Reply Posted by Tom on Monday April 16 2012 at 13:25
Lowest amount of housebuilding in the UK since the 1923...


There is a lack of housing and a lack of housebuilding, the people of the UK haven't even had enough children to replace themselves for over 40 years now. (Total fertility rate of 2.1 = replacement rate - and not since 1971 has the UK TFR exceeded 2.1, our population may have grown, but only due to immigration).

Without new housing, without new families (people having children in the first place), our communities shall wither and die.  Why aren't people having families?  Ask the young of today?  What do they say?  The cost of living is too expensive, the cost of housing is too expensive.  They struggle to rent a room in a shared house.

Do you really expect the pubs to do well?  The local people either have no money to spend as their a housing costs consume all their hard earned, or they have not been born into existence in the first place.
There wouldn't be a single pub in Barnsley, hell Barnsley wouldn't even be on the map if it wan't for people settling here, building houses.  Once they had housing they built pubs.  If you want to keep the pubs, you need affordable housing.The lack of housing will just result in homeless people drinking on the streets.Shame to see a pub go, but with more housing (and as long as it is affordable), then there will at least be potential for a pub to do business in the area.  Because at the minute that pub makes a loss and nobody wants to throw money down the drain.If you really want a community, a place with a pub even, you need people, and those people need to have disposable income to spend in the pub.  When they have nowhere to live, or if they do, the roof over their head consumes all their income, don't be surprised when there is a lack of people spending money in the pub.  Don't be surprised when the pub closes down.

Reply Posted by Barnsley Camra on Monday April 16 2012 at 13:27
Barnsley Camra will be opposing the plans

Reply Posted by Guestymcguest on Monday April 16 2012 at 14:00
Shame but that pub has not done well in years. Pubs are no longer profitable save on the weekend, the breweries and chains have made it impossible for anyone to earn a living.   It will only become derelict disused. The building itself is really nice from the outside but I can't see another use for it. Pubs are no longer the centre of the community. Mapplewell and Staincross has doubled in size in the last 20 years, sadly the shops and pubs have not profited from this. Why? people no longer integrate into the communities that they move to. Go out on a Friday Saturday in Mapplewell, we only have 2 pubs and a club these days and you know who you're going to see and its generally the people that have lived their all their lives. 

Reply Posted by Guestymcguest on Monday April 16 2012 at 14:00
Shame but that pub has not done well in years. Pubs are no longer profitable save on the weekend, the breweries and chains have made it impossible for anyone to earn a living.   It will only become derelict disused. The building itself is really nice from the outside but I can't see another use for it. Pubs are no longer the centre of the community. Mapplewell and Staincross has doubled in size in the last 20 years, sadly the shops and pubs have not profited from this. Why? people no longer integrate into the communities that they move to. Go out on a Friday Saturday in Mapplewell, we only have 2 pubs and a club these days and you know who you're going to see and its generally the people that have lived their all their lives. 

Reply Posted by Guestymcguest on Monday April 16 2012 at 14:00
Shame but that pub has not done well in years. Pubs are no longer profitable save on the weekend, the breweries and chains have made it impossible for anyone to earn a living.   It will only become derelict disused. The building itself is really nice from the outside but I can't see another use for it. Pubs are no longer the centre of the community. Mapplewell and Staincross has doubled in size in the last 20 years, sadly the shops and pubs have not profited from this. Why? people no longer integrate into the communities that they move to. Go out on a Friday Saturday in Mapplewell, we only have 2 pubs and a club these days and you know who you're going to see and its generally the people that have lived their all their lives. 

Reply Posted by Guestymcguest on Monday April 16 2012 at 14:00
Shame but that pub has not done well in years. Pubs are no longer profitable save on the weekend, the breweries and chains have made it impossible for anyone to earn a living.   It will only become derelict disused. The building itself is really nice from the outside but I can't see another use for it. Pubs are no longer the centre of the community. Mapplewell and Staincross has doubled in size in the last 20 years, sadly the shops and pubs have not profited from this. Why? people no longer integrate into the communities that they move to. Go out on a Friday Saturday in Mapplewell, we only have 2 pubs and a club these days and you know who you're going to see and its generally the people that have lived their all their lives. 

Reply Posted by Julie Lau on Monday April 16 2012 at 14:35
I live near this pub and it holds lots of dear memories, however recently there has been nothing but trouble with fights and disagreements most weekends! It's a real shame it may be knocked down to build on, but I'm sure local residents will be pleased their weekends will be peaceful!

Reply Posted by Guest on Monday April 16 2012 at 14:42
First they approve the 250 new houses to be built over the old North Gawber Pit ground & now they are knocking down this pub to build even more new houses. I think someone has cottoned on that the village is close to M1 & M62 links. The problem is that the village does not have the infrastructure to support all the new people whom will be moving there. As for social housing as they are new builds there will probably be a clause that 25% of the new properties are ear marked for social housing. I think its a shame that the village will soon be changed beyond all recognition and as having grown up there this saddens me. 

Reply Posted by Guestymcguest on Monday April 16 2012 at 15:24
I've lived here all my life as well, the amount of development in this area since the 80s has seen mapplewell and the areas bordering pretty much treble in the last 20 years, we've had loads of new builds the redrow and barratt estates were built side by side which must have been about 700 houses. I chose to live here because it's nice and not too far from the countryside. The open spaces I used to play as a kid are just being snapped up cheaply and built on. Whats more some are not even going that far. 

Reply Posted by Guestymcguest on Monday April 16 2012 at 15:25
There are a number of builds in the area that have not been finished due to the property market collapse. one on Blacker Road, the Old Darton Junior School as well as others

Reply Posted by Guestymcguest on Monday April 16 2012 at 15:27
Do you live in Mapplewell Tom?

Reply Posted by Geniecat on Monday April 16 2012 at 19:59
Would tom happen to be affiliated to mason building by any chance? ?

Reply Posted by Richard Naylor on Monday April 16 2012 at 21:45
No. There's too many new builds here already. Mapp's lost that community feel.

Reply Posted by Thejailhouse on Monday April 16 2012 at 23:47
Sadly another pub knocked down to make way for houses, although this only happens due to lack of trade and support from local residents. I have run pubs for a number of years and have never known trade as difficult as it is now. I am from Staincross and used to drink regularly in The California (Cali), unfortunatly that pub was lost many years ago. Even though more people move into an area it doesn't mean that more revenue is spent in the local community. The sooner that people use their LOCAL resources then the sooner LOCAL resources are saved. 

Reply Posted by Rainbow2004 on Wednesday April 18 2012 at 11:50
i loved going to this pub ands the califonia pub good memorys in this pub

Reply Posted by Tom on Wednesday April 18 2012 at 16:13
No I live in town.

Reply Posted by Tom on Wednesday April 18 2012 at 16:18
No, I am unemployed.  I am looking for a job and attempting to start a business, waiting for an allotment on the very long allotment waiting list and harbour dreams of building my own house and raising a family.

The way things are going I might start putting aside a bit of my dole so that I can afford a ticket out of here, somewhere where there is affordable housing and jobs.  With a job and affordable housing I could afford to raise a family and visit the pub!

Reply Posted by Guestymcguest on Saturday April 21 2012 at 20:05
 totally agree mate staincross darton and mapp have got massive over the years but how often do you see new people in the village?

Reply Posted by Green ginger on Sunday April 22 2012 at 14:17
Nice to read something researched and balanced with real info instead of the garbage that the youth on here seem to write. 

Reply Posted by Green ginger on Sunday April 22 2012 at 14:17
Nice to read something researched and balanced with real info instead of the garbage that the youth on here seem to write. 

Reply Posted by Emmalouisetaylor on Wednesday June 20 2012 at 11:30
proper gutted had some good memories here