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Bedroom Tax Abolition Moves Closer

Wednesday September 24 2014




THE defeat of the so-called 'bedroom tax' has moved a step closer, according to a Barnsley MP.

The 'tax' - one of the Coalition's most unpopular policies - is on track for abolition after Labour and the Liberal Democrats united to vote against it in the House of Commons.

Barnsley East MP Michael Dugher, who backed the plans to scrap it at the September 5 meeting, said: "We will continue to do whatever it can to fight this unjust and unworkable policy, and will now seek to scrap it altogether.

"David Cameron and Nick Clegg’s cruel and unfair tax has hit the poorest and most vulnerable in our community."

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Reply Posted by Dr Debate on Wednesday September 24 2014 at 20:47
Don't be taken in with this Labour waffle. the Labour Party had an opportunity to scrap the bedroom tax only a few months ago. Approx 47 Labour MPs failed to tun up for the vote.

I bet on Friday they will all be in the House of Commons sending our brave men and women to there deaths fighting in Iraq and Syria.

Reply Posted by Ray on Thursday September 25 2014 at 13:22
Aye Dr Debat is correct.

Also wasn't it the Labour Party that brought it in. The tories just implemented it. Both as bad as each other.

Reply Posted by j on Wednesday September 24 2014 at 21:08
Good points Dr. Debate! Totally agree.

Reply Posted by Guido fawkes on Wednesday September 24 2014 at 21:09
vote LABOUR vote LABOUR lets get rid of the bedroom tax, your vote matters..

Reply Posted by Tyke on Wednesday September 24 2014 at 23:30
The real reason the bedroom tax was implemented and think about as I did & began to realise what the governments plan was. There is a housing shortage and finding appropriate land to build more housing & the cost to the government is not sustainable ongoing as more families need a home & at the same time there are people living in council houses with 2 spare bedrooms living on benefits so the council apply the tax which the unemployed cannot afford which means vacating the home of 2 spare bedrooms for the new families to move in so in essence shuffling people & forcing them to swap their home for a different one until all the families are re - settled. Seemingly the shuffling is done as much as it can be so NOW the bedroom tax will go.

Reply Posted by The truth on Thursday September 25 2014 at 12:15
@tyke
1: there is not enough adequate social housing for the under occupier to move into, So causing financial hard ship to the occupiers.
2: it's an unfair tax on the poorest in our society, if you are a couple and one person is disabled, and needs a night time carer, having a spare bedroom doesn't qualify for a reduction in the bedroom tax.
3: Having to find the extra money for this tax pushes more and more people into the private sector, falling victim to unscrupulous slum landlords.
4: If it was a fair and just tax and equal to all, why isn't the royal family paying it on there numerous homes, and why isn't Cameron paying it on number 10?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday September 25 2014 at 12:49
Twas also yet another seemingly punitive and cynical ploy by the Tories to shove people into minimum wage / zero hour contract jobs.
Total misnomer really as if said council tenant has to move out of their council house into private rented accommodation then private rented is always more expensive costing more in the long term.

Reply Posted by baz on Thursday September 25 2014 at 12:18
Yes this tax worked those drug dealing lay abouts across the road from me moved out of a three bedroom into a 1 bed flat . And a nice family moved in . I am all for targeting the lay abouts the chavz but Unfortunately this tax hurts the disabled and genuinely ill who lets face it should be able to stay in there home.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Thursday September 25 2014 at 13:11
Well I for one support the idea of the spare room subsidy. Well done to the Conservative government.

It clearly worked for Baz and it's making more people stand on their own two feet and take responsibility for their own actions.

Reply Posted by Guido fawkes on Thursday September 25 2014 at 14:02
you should be ashamed calling yourself red when you are a blue..

VOTE LABOUR get rid of this bedroom tax..

Reply Posted by Left wing and proud on Thursday September 25 2014 at 13:48
@red optimist, being a Con you would, but if Labour get in and gets its bill through, for a tax on all houses over 200,000, you would be the first to moan. But it's coming my Likle Tory troll, equality for all

Reply Posted by Fred on Thursday September 25 2014 at 18:00
Left wing and proud? More like *On the dole and proud*.

The Tories are doing a fantastic job cleaning up the mess from the previous Labour government.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday September 25 2014 at 18:32
Labour also did a fantastic job cleaning up the mess from Thatchers government from which our country has NEVER recovered.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Thursday September 25 2014 at 18:52
Barnsley and a limited number of other areas of the UK may not have fully recovered (usually Labour controlled areas) but most of the nation has benefitted enormously from the changes brought about by the Thatcher government.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Thursday September 25 2014 at 19:00
I think the figure that you were looking for was £2,000,000 as this is what the Labour Party appear to be proposing. I doubt that this figure would affect anybody in the borough of Barnsley!

Anyway, what is wrong with living in a property which has a high market value?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday September 26 2014 at 09:32
Of course we have benefitted massively from Thatcher decimating our manufacturing industry and moving us to a more service oriented industry.
#facepalm

Reply Posted by Fred on Friday September 26 2014 at 13:23
The country was on its knees Steveo before Lady Thatcher became Prime Minister. European leaders were having a right good laugh at Britain's expense, we were known as the sick man of Europe.

She got this country back up and running, but most of the people of Barnsley don't like to hear it.


Reply Posted by Guido fawkes on Friday September 26 2014 at 13:39
fred@ have you been drinking ? I have never heard so much crap in all my life..SHE the bag ruined the country.

Reply Posted by Pru on Thursday September 25 2014 at 17:24
All parties have same agendas just get shuffled about so 1 looks better than other at time.they don't listen to public demand at all cos it don't benefit the rich. Still waiting for petrol prices to go down. 80% tax of fuel. ******* joke this country.

Reply Posted by michelle on Thursday September 25 2014 at 18:53
Bout time they did as a lot of people are suffering from this hardship of the bedroom tax.People are staving to death because of general bills having to be paid and not being able to put food on the table and clothes on their kids backs . It is disgusting how in this day and age people are in this state . It serves no purpose at all except putting people in more poverty.

Reply Posted by Tom on Thursday September 25 2014 at 22:30
After the bedroom tax is abolished we really need to bring back SPACE STANDARDS and improve them, so that everyone can live in decent homes in decent surroundings. A spare bedroom, a garden, shed, garage, ample light, access to local amentities (in particular NHS services), but also, schools/FE, libraries, post, broadband, electric - cheap & ideally community owned renewables, and so on.


Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Friday September 26 2014 at 00:05
Those standards of housing are available today to people who 'get off their backsides' and 'make it happen in life.' If you are relying on the state to provide your housing you should expect to live in a little box.

Reply Posted by Tom on Friday September 26 2014 at 09:51
Nonsense.

As the housing market is fairly rigid, there has been relatively little change in the ownership of property. As household formation has exceeded house building for the past decade at least, we have had a situation where new households are force into ever smaller units of housing.

Dwelling space per person has fallen consistently year on year and those entering the market bare the brunt of these falls in space. As what little there is available is divided between more and more.

People are thus forced to rely on the state to provide them with housing or alter the market to give them choice. Be it through the provision of social housing, or via the payment of housing benefit/LHA.

People need a right to build, then we wouldn't need public housing.Unfortunately, due to decades of massive malinvestment in the housing market, where money has gone into house prices rather than construction, we will need to have some public house building to help make up the shortfall of houses due to malinvestment.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Friday September 26 2014 at 15:43
And you said my comments were nonsense!

Reply Posted by Left wing and proud on Thursday September 25 2014 at 23:25
Fred when your party start's hitting you in your pocket, or when your waiting for a GP appointment for longer than three days. Will you still vote the cons in then of course you will, because your to thick to realise that it's already happening.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Friday September 26 2014 at 00:08
How can anyone be 'left wing and proud'?

What you really mean is that you are envious of anyone who has more than you.

Reply Posted by Left wing and proud on Friday September 26 2014 at 11:02
I am left wing and proud, union orientated, nationalisation, and everything you optimist,Fred, are against, and I will do everything I can to get people like yourself s , that have a shackled mind, to throw of the chains of capitalism and help your fellow workers to escape the chains of the 10 percent that rule this country through financial slavery on there country men/ women. In Scotland when Glasgow overwhelmingly voted no to Westminster, the shock ran through the capitalistic hierarchy, that shock will vibrate through this country

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Friday September 26 2014 at 15:46
The politics of envy is what you are spouting.

Reply Posted by Fred on Friday September 26 2014 at 13:26
Let's get back to militant unionism eh Left wing?

"The winter of discontent" sprigs to mind.

Reply Posted by Left wing and proud on Friday September 26 2014 at 15:11
No a left wing government that believes in a fairer country for all @ fred

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Friday September 26 2014 at 15:54
It is probably true that a left-wing government would ensure that we are all more or less equal. It would bring us all down to the lowest possible level! A right wing government would like to lift everyone to the highest possible level by giving everybody the hope and opportunity of a brighter and more prosperous future. If you opened your eyes you would see that there is a big world out there which offers opportunity for everyone who is able to see it and take advantage of it.

Reply Posted by left wing 4 ever on Friday September 26 2014 at 15:58
red@ you talk bull. I bet you bore your so called mates to death.

Reply Posted by Guido Fawkes on Saturday September 27 2014 at 08:16
All people want red is a fairer society nothing to do with any political persuasion I want a health service that for all not as we see it money ruling what care you get and education the hope the light to those with little to entitle them to the same as someone who is a millionaire why is it a bad thing to ask for a descent wage packet the birth of unions came at great human cost they were born out of the fact people we're treat like crap any place of employment shouldn't need a union you should be treated with respect

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday September 27 2014 at 09:52
I Concur!
That's the thing with todays zero hour contract / employment agency society isn't it, NO ONE is treated with the respect and dignity they deserve.
People are just a commodity to the employers and "hire and fire" agencies these days and in my opinion the sooner stricter legislation is brought in against said "hire and fire" agencies the better.
Back to the topic in hand, the Tories "mandate" is to make themselves and their rich cohorts much richer, ostracise the working class and demonise the poor.
The Tories have AT LEAST offered us a referendum on the EU, which I dare say will win them quite a few votes as people are sick do death of being told who we can let in to work and play by the Brussels Europrats!
Labour, a party of hollow promises, I remember before Blair got in and he promised to repeal the anti - union legislation that the Tories had introduced, didn't happen of course apart from a few new laws which didn't go nearly far enough to appease the traditional trade unionist.
Much the same today the Labour party is far too intertwined with big business and are NOT the party for the working classes.
Some of you may already know that I am a third generation Trade Unionist and I firmly believe in a fair days work for a fair days pay, unfortunately until the unscrupulous employers are brought to book and MADE to pay a fair days pay this aint ever gonna happen is it?

The minimum wage - Labour "promise" to increase it to £8 an hour before the end of the next parliament (if they get in), personally I think this is an absolute insult! 25p a year ISN'T going to stop people claiming tax credits to "top up" their meagre incomes, even at £8 an hour people will STILL have to claim various "top up" benefits!

The £8 rate needs to be implemented over the first few years of whoever comes into power, then needs raising incrementally up to £10 an hour before the end of the next parliament.

HAVE NOT promised us a referendum on the EU, Have NOT made any policy commitments and HAVE NOT said they would curb IMMIGRATION!
Exactly why the will NEVER get my vote!

LIB DUMS - The party of tax increases, they tell us they "want" to cut taxes for the "working people" and yes they will do, but we will only pay it back in other ways.
They are a laughing stock and will be cast into fourth division politics at the next general election.

UKIP - The only credible policy that UKIP have is the one on immigration, the rest of UKIP policy is FAR WORSE than ANY TORY policy!
NHS FULL Privatisation - CHECK
EVERY Public Service Privatised - CHECK
SCRAPPING of the Minimum wage - CHECK

Only an absolute buffoon would EVER vote UKIP!

Reply Posted by Left wing and proud on Friday September 26 2014 at 16:00
Envy, I despise everything the Conservative party stands for, optimist you and your kind are a greedy breed, that live and thrive off the working man. You are frightened of the future so you try to stop political progress, envy you "never" for you and your politics are like dinosaurs, soon to be forgotten in time

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Friday September 26 2014 at 17:21
I'm not greedy, I can assure you of that. I just happen to think that the left wing model of society is doomed to failure. It is outdated, inefficient and as the world population become more educated the politics of the left will become more and more marginalised. I suspect (but clearly do not know) that you are envious of people who you see as more fortunate/wealthy than you. This is a poor outlook to have as opportunity in life is there for all of us. It is just seeing that opportunity and deciding to do something about it.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday September 27 2014 at 10:04
What / where is these "opportunities" you speak of?
The only opportunities for the youth of today is a zero hour contract on minimum wage employed via an "hire and fire" agency that systematically discriminates against them by sending cheaper migrant labour to client workplaces so the Tory supporting "employer" (Asos anyone) can make vast profits off the backs of the hardworking people they "employ" and pay a pittance to.

The Tories themselves are only interested in making their rich chums richer irrespective of what damage this does to the working man / unemployed / disabled person.
They have the OPPORTUNITY as they are in power, FOR NOW!

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Saturday September 27 2014 at 10:57
You Steveo, perhaps because you did not do particularly well at school, appear to have an enormous chip on your shoulder. You want to be affluent, but you are unable to achieve that because you are in a job which may pay reasonably well, but is nothing special. You therefore want to deprive other people who have been financially more successful than you.

It does not surprise me that you cannot see the opportunities which exist in the world. From what you post on here your vision doesn't appear to stretch beyond what is happening at ASOS and that other place across the road (Symphony?)

Let me suggest that you get a better education, even at this stage of your life. It may open new doors for you. Alternatively, a man of your so-called intellect could surely become self-employed. There must be opportunities for someone as knowledgeable as you.

Let us attempt to improve the circumstances of everyone, rather than cast an envious eye on people who appear have done better than you and your left-wing colleagues who have posted in this thread.

Even staunch communist regimes have, or are, changing to free enterprise/capitalistic economies.

Reply Posted by Fred on Saturday September 27 2014 at 23:19
Well said @ red optimist

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday September 28 2014 at 10:40
Red, the only bits you got right were as follows:
Didn't do particularly well at school
Suggest you get a better education, which I have now done thanks!

My job pays extremely well and is a good job, not many people can say that these days can they!
I am also mortgage free in my early 40's, again, not many people can say that these days can they.
I am also a shareholder in several "Fortune 500" companies, holiday abroad 3 / 4 times a year and change my car every three.
I don't really want for anything and if I see something I want I usually just go out and buy it.
Almost anyone can be as successful and live a good life if they REALLY want to, I have all the fancy dan trappings In life I could ever wish to have due to one thing and one thing only:

Shear hard WORK and a determination to better ones self.

Chip on shoulder - Hmm not quite, forthright, opinionated and a realist.

Yes I do have a "two track" mind - RE Asos and Symphony, is it right that Asos will only pay paltry wages but yet earned £40 MILLION in profits last year?
It is evidently clear they have "the where with all" to pay a decent rate of pay but choose not to because they know full well that there are hoards of Eastern Europeans that will work all day every day for a few sheckels.
Is it right that this company and the agencies that supply "labour" to this company systematically discriminate against our young people born and bred in this town by only solely sending migrant labour to Asos?

This is hardly improving the circumstances of everyone is it?
It certainly isn't improving our youth unemployment statistics is it?
One of the highest youth unemployment rates for a town our size in Western Europe, does this not bother you?


You also claim I am a "left winger" again not quite, I don't particularly follow or have any allegiance to any party, in fact If you fully read and understood my previous posts then you would have seen my musings on the "four" main parties.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Sunday September 28 2014 at 12:43
If what you say is true, then it would appear that opportunities are available to anyone who, like you, are prepared to work hard and be determined to better themselves. Unfortunately there are far too many people (particularly in this area) who do not have this attitude and expect someone else to provide for them. That someone else being people like you and me. These people, usually of a Labour/left wing persuasion look at people who have a 'bob or two' with envy and tend to hold the view that they should have these 'trappings' taken off them or taxed heavily.

The envious left wingers in this thread should take heed of the famous JFK speech when he said "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

Reply Posted by Guido fawkes on Sunday September 28 2014 at 13:05
Disappointed with you there steveo to make a point you went down the gloat route,not everyone in Barnsley can go down the re_education route social circumstances dictate this you were lucky picture a woman with a couple of kids,someone with learning difficulties so on and so on,if you have shares in companies then is this not capitalism the exploration of a fellow human being,holidays why say you holiday three to four times a year I holiday to many places but until you made the point I wouldn't raise the matter myself.may I also suggest if you are as affluent as you claim to be instead of slagging people of on drugs in Barnsley give financial and spiritual help so maybe just maybe someone you see in Barnsley with a bag in there hand and looking of there head may need your help to better there lot as you did yours have a think about it.

Reply Posted by Guido fawkes on Sunday September 28 2014 at 13:17
Red optimist Ted Sorensen was behind the famous line,do your homework JFK also said,if a free society cannot help the many who are poor,it cannot save the few who are rich ,there ends me educating red optimist.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday September 28 2014 at 13:24
With hard work comes rewards.
I have worked extremely hard for everything I have and can hold my head up and say I don't owe anything to anyone.

Reply Posted by Guido fwkes on Sunday September 28 2014 at 13:30
There is no such thing as society.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday September 28 2014 at 13:37
@guido. as red intimated that I was in low paid work I thought I would put him straight on a few points.
It isn't gloating at all, I have worked extremely hard since the age of 15 to get everything I need and up until recently worked over 90 hours a week to ensure my mortgage wasn't a millstone round my neck.
I have also been rather fortunate to have worked for two of the biggest companies in the world whose employee share schemes are particularly good and again, worked extremely hard to afford these share schemes.
Not quite sure I would ever give my hard earned to a drug addict either.
However, I do run two community projects that and meet kids from all walks of life, whether we like it or not these kids our the future of our country and I will always give them help and try to guide them in the right direction.

Heroin is the absolute scourge of our town and as a result of losing many friends and members of my own family to this horrible addiction I absolutely hate it with a passion.
Irrespective of how one feels, its al about choice isn't it?

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Sunday September 28 2014 at 16:46
For the purpose of accuracy, I did not say that you were in 'low paid work'

Nevertheless, thank you for your reply which I am sure was written in an honest and frank manner. I could take issue with several points which you make as I believe that some of your 'facts' need challenging. Sadly, time prevents me from doing that just now.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday September 28 2014 at 17:59
YES red, more of an assumption on your part really.
I am honest and frank in everything I write, to say that I am of an angry persuasion is to put it mildly.
Feel free to "take issue" and let the political ping pong commence.
After all that is what this very forum is about isn't it?

Reply Posted by Darn under on Friday September 26 2014 at 16:14
Good gawed lefty you talk like that, and three quarters of Barnsley would vote for ya, good on ya. Ya got my vote but I'm a Aussie.

Reply Posted by Gorgie on Friday September 26 2014 at 18:27
Are you completely stupid it was labour that introduced bedroom tax many years ago but then it only affected private tenants all cameron did was extend it to everyone . Sounds fair to me by the way us barnsley folk have a reputation of being stupid so why confirm it

Reply Posted by georgie on Friday September 26 2014 at 19:07
you must be the stupid one, cant even spell yer name

Reply Posted by Guido Fawkes on Saturday September 27 2014 at 08:04
Georgie it was Churchill a conservative who brought in concentration camps and if they want to think we're stupid it shows how little people know about the history of barnsley doesn't it

Reply Posted by Left wing and proud on Friday September 26 2014 at 18:56
I have many vices my little troll optimist and envy is not one of them, you say socialism is out dated, far far from the truth. You buy your cloth from the sweat of children, you and your party hide behind a cloak of respectability ability, while family's suffer in fuel poverty. Your Tory party gloat over the fall in unemployment while more and more. People have been made to sign zero contracts. Your bankers and MPs are corrupt, capitalism is failing and will eventually cave in on it self, Cameron your leader is even now trying to railroad a bill through to give the Tories an. Unfair advantage in the next election. Not envy, hatred for what you and the Conservative party stand for.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday September 27 2014 at 09:58
Totally and utterly agree and couldn't possibly have put it any better myself.

Reply Posted by Frack the house on Friday September 26 2014 at 21:27
Predictive text, Richard Head georgie boy, but if you read it, he/ she makes sense.

Reply Posted by Save our N.h.s on Saturday September 27 2014 at 09:14
Get rid of the bedroom tax it's unfair and unjust, it puts pressure on low wage family's, and feeds the slum landlords.

Reply Posted by Left wing and proud on Saturday September 27 2014 at 13:46
Yes optimist lets improve life for everyone, spend the same per child as the public schools get, put the rail system back into the people's hands, and don't tell me it won't run at a profit, look at east coast rail. Cap private landlords rents with in the budget of the minimum wage, devolve powers from Westminster to regional assembly's, set a social building program in place. Do away with none union work places, every man/women must have the right to join a trade union or not, zero contracts to be scrapped. Exploration of shale gas to be pushed further forward, wind power to be pusher further forward, nuclear industry to build at least five more power plants. Scrap the go a head for the super train and reinvest the money in better regional links " other European country's seem to manage without it well enough". That's a start!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday September 28 2014 at 18:03
would tend to agree with a large proportion of that lwap, apart from the social housing and fracking bit.

Reply Posted by Fred on Saturday September 27 2014 at 23:27
So you want to dictate to an employer they must have a union! Great idea, no better way of stifling enterprise, unions ruined this country ! Employers should be given all the tools necessary to expand their business,employ more people, pay more taxes and help build a better country to life and work. Return to the 70's and 80's and we all may ASWELL go live in China ! Why is success fround upon ?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday September 28 2014 at 10:41
Yes, everyone should be in a trade union.

Reply Posted by Fred on Saturday September 27 2014 at 23:29
By the way at the risk of repeating my self.....IT'S NOT A TAX. IT'S A REDUCTON IN A BENEFIT ! (AKA a free handout)

Reply Posted by haha fred on Saturday September 27 2014 at 23:33
fred you nob

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Saturday September 27 2014 at 23:53
It's not Fred who is a nob!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Sunday September 28 2014 at 10:55
dear oh dear, a FREE handout?

Freddy boy, irrespective of the rights and wrongs of the bedroom tax question, the law states that anyone in receipt of benefits (or free handouts as you and your right wing Tory chums call it) have a certain amount of money to live on, since the bedroom tax was introduced then said benefit recipients have to cover the "shortfall" out of said benefits, thus making the reduction or "shortfall" ILLEGAL as said benefit recipient doesn't have enough money to live on as per the laws of this green and pleasant land.

The EU are currently taking the UK to court over this very issue, so don't think for one minute that Labour or the Lib Dums, who are already claiming they have won the debate on the bedroom tax question, have any real say on this highly emotive issue.

Reply Posted by Red Optimist on Sunday September 28 2014 at 13:16
Now, now, don't get nasty.

Reply Posted by Left wing and proud on Sunday September 28 2014 at 21:36
Well Steveo unlike optimist and Fred I am always willing to listen and try and understand another's point of view, and even compromise for the betterment of my fellow men. But I won't sit back and watch while this generation lays in a state of depression and hopelessness, because of Westminster policy.