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Calls To Abolish Zero Hours Contracts - A WAB Debate

Wednesday April 16 2014


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THERE has been calls to scrap zero hours contracts from a committee of MPs. What do you think to this? Would you be in favour?

A report expressed concern over the use of casual labour saying the contracts are 'abusive, exploitative and should be abolished'.

Zero hours contracts, which are not defined in law, refer to workers who are not guaranteed work.

What do you think? Should they be scrapped? Have your say below.

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Reply Posted by guy fawkes on Wednesday April 16 2014 at 14:09
HHHOOOORRRRAAAAYYYYYY.

Reply Posted by Ray on Wednesday April 16 2014 at 15:08
I don't think it will happen, as this will make unemployment figures will go up thus giving a true reflection of the state of uk employment.

Reply Posted by Nic on Wednesday April 16 2014 at 23:24
Should've tried harder at sKooL and you wouldn't be at ARSOS

Reply Posted by Alex on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 15:42
@Nic. I used to hear that years ago about miners. Let me tell you something about that. you couldn't get better workers or more intelligent people.

Some of the folks at ASOS are the same, besides, you haven't published your qualifications have you?

@Steveo. I totally agree with you. Abolish zero hours contracts as well as annualised hours. As far as agencies go, they should be scrapped altogether.

It's another "rip off Britain".

Reply Posted by Nic on Wednesday April 23 2014 at 14:35
Alex, Miners weren't on zero hours contracts. The clue is in the title..?? Things have changed since then too, nowadays you need quals. Facts. Anything else you'd like hrlp with? ?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday April 17 2014 at 06:58
Yup, they want scrapping with immediate effect as do "annualised hours" contracts, those for starters then scrap the "hire and fire" agencies that actively discriminate against people born and bred in this country.

@ Ray - The "true state" of UK UNEMPLOYMENT is actually 4 MILLION PLUS as the Tories change the figures as they see fit AND DONT count people who have had benefits sanctioned 900,000 last year and the 400,000 which are on "workfare" schemes this is a mere drop in the ocean as they fail to count "other" various people which makes a figure of around 4.35 MILLION people out of work.

@ Nic - Rubbish! The biggest employer that uses zero hours contracts here in the UK is Sports Direct who employ a total of 16,000 people, 14,780 of said SD employees are on zero hours contracts, EVEN Managers and accountants!

Zero hours contracts (+ annualised contracts) ARE exploitative and abusive and anyone that has to suffer the indignity of only being able to find a job on a zero hours contract is in a permanent state of limbo, unable to plan from week to week never mind thinking about buying a property having kids and a regular income stream.

You would also be VERY surprised some of the companies that only use ZHC'S.

ABOLISH ZERO HOURS +ANNUALISED HOUR CONTRACTS NOW!

Reply Posted by 4Ft11andshrinking on Thursday April 17 2014 at 08:03
@ Steveo. Well for once I agree with you, these contracts are one of the biggest causes of anxiety in this country today. It certainly shows us where the priorities are as regards the working class. Disgusting abuse of our young people!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday April 17 2014 at 13:44
Modern day slavery, that's all employers and agencies who use ZHC's and Annualised hours are.

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday April 17 2014 at 23:07
I agree with you @ shorty,(4tf11) you would like to think that being employed and earning,would bring a sense of well being and pride,not as you say anxiety and fear. Disgusting.

Reply Posted by terry on Thursday April 17 2014 at 08:42
People forget that these oppressive practices were allowed to flourish under a Labour government,even the trade unions kept relatively quiet about situation regarding zero hour contracts. So all political parties should be blamed for this form of slavery.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday April 17 2014 at 13:52
Totally agree terry, the Tories will never scrap ZHC's +annualised hours contracts as it keeps their rich industrialist cohorts in cheap subservient labour.
Labour did introduce legislation to try and stem the tide of employers only solely using ZHC's but have been amazingly quiet on the subject and have NOT said that ZHC'S will be banned if they are elected into power next time.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday April 17 2014 at 13:52
Totally agree terry, the Tories will never scrap ZHC's +annualised hours contracts as it keeps their rich industrialist cohorts in cheap subservient labour.
Labour did introduce legislation to try and stem the tide of employers only solely using ZHC's but have been amazingly quiet on the subject and have NOT said that ZHC'S will be banned if they are elected into power next time.

Reply Posted by 4Ft11andshrinking on Thursday April 17 2014 at 13:52
We will soon be a third world country,can't believe my dad fought in WW2 stop things like this, and being dictated to!

Reply Posted by x on Thursday April 17 2014 at 22:35
thats whats up with this country,our fathers and grandfathers had guts and a backbone they stood up for what was right,these days people are too wrapped up in their own lives, they dont give a **** about their neighbour who could be freezing and going hungry

Reply Posted by Red on Thursday April 17 2014 at 22:42
Too true x. Post of the week.

Reply Posted by cheryl on Friday April 18 2014 at 14:34
Do not think zero hour contracts were brought in by any government just an excuse by rogue/employers to use people for their own benefit.Maybe most of them might be Tory biased. Lets go back to 40 hours pay for 40 hours work and include true figures for part time/full time/zero hours in the staticstics published every month

Reply Posted by Brian on Saturday April 19 2014 at 11:08
It's quite simple really. Employers introduced zero hours contracts in response to a whole raft of government legislation (especially the last Labour government) which gave too many 'rights' to employees. In a similar way, it was Labour which introduced the minimum wage. A terrible piece of legislation for millions of working people. Any person with vision could see that it would (and has) reduced wage levels. The minimum wage has now become the norm for jobs which previously commanded a higher rate of pay.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday April 19 2014 at 19:25
"Gave too many rights to employees" - Labour didn't do no where near enough and should have introduced MORE legislation to protect employees against unscrupulous employers.

The Tories have sneakily introduced rafts of legislation whilst people were "sidetracked" by stuff like the new royal bin lid, legal aid has all but had it and people will have to pay THEMSELVES to prove that their employer dismissed then unfairly.

Same goes for anyone wanting to make a compensation claim against their employer, the onus was always on the employer to prove that their working practices weren't at fault for the employees personal injury.
The Tories turned the law around so that the EMPLOYEE has to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that said employers working practices were responsible for employees injury.

Anyone unfairly dismissed will also have to pay THEMSELVES for employment tribunals!

The latest Tory buzzword is that they are "The working peoples party" , in have NEVER heard anything as RIDICULOUS in my ENTIRE LIFE!

Have to agree totally with your minimum wage comment though, ANY job (unless highly skilled) In our borough is minimum wage, unless the employer is "decent" and lets be brutally honest, there aren't many "decent" employers in our borough.

Reply Posted by sid on Saturday April 19 2014 at 20:11
I didn't know most of that @Steveo. Thank god I've not needed to. I too agree with the minimum wage comment. Bring back the old days,as things are worse all round within the workplace.

Reply Posted by Alex on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 15:52
@Brian. Rubbish, some people were working for less that £1 per hour, and made to clock off and on every time they went to the toilet. If the wasn't enough, some were working for far less, and the Government called it YTS

Reply Posted by sid on Saturday April 19 2014 at 14:16
Small businesses do get a rough ride too tho. Contracts are difficult to terminate even for gross misconduct and continuous absenteeism. The government literally sneaked thru new rules on SSP. Employers now have to pay the full SSP for a sick employee for 8 weeks,approx £640. Previously 80% could be claimed back. If I have guy who needs a knee operation for example,it will cost my business £640,thus making temporary employment a thing of the past. Of course then ageism comes into play as does employing folk with any kind of illness,eg diabetes. Employers will employ only the young,fit and healthy. ZHContracts are disgusting and should be abolished,but the government are also chipping away quietly at rights for both employed and employees. I can't wait to retire and be done with the lot of it. Employing staff has always been something I have enjoyed and been proud of,but its turning into a mind bending horror story.

Reply Posted by Observer on Sunday April 20 2014 at 10:34
Brilliantly put steveo. The thought of receiving a txt on the da you should work not to come in. or to come in as and when required? Horrifies me for e.g. Not come kn to work wednesday. But come in sunday?? For normal time pay??? This is called "flexing down" or up!! This is not acceptable. The man who owns this company will take a knighthood???? Abloish this now. Or wemwill all be working weekends at normal pay.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday April 21 2014 at 09:34
We both know exactly what happens don't we pal as I told you the other week about how our mutual friend who works at "that warehouse at the end of the bypass" got a text saying don't bother coming in as the systems are down one Monday then the following night.
He was then MADE to "flex up" the hours that he owed over the next few days even though he was on his DAYS OFF!
This is clearly an absolute scandalous way of conducting business is it not?
The local MP for the area "duggy" Dugher couldn't give a monkeys chuff about what is happening in the world of work in his constituency, especially "the warehouse at the end of the bypass" many people have written to him but have never been furnished with a reply!

I hope these people remember this the next time at the ballot box!

Reply Posted by Ann on Monday April 21 2014 at 20:21
These 0 hour contracts should be outlawed but they wont they make too much money for the powers that be and there backers.. while ever it is legal to exploit human kind there is always someone to do it until people get of there bums and vote nothing will change I know there is no one around to vote for per say but you can vote just as effectively to get someone out unless we unite and speak up this will be the norm

Reply Posted by cheryl on Monday April 21 2014 at 20:41
The statistics published every month show employment going down but don't show the levels of part to full time workers. My bet is that most part time are closer to minimum wage. Don't know what the solution to this is but perhaps a guaranteed minimum wage for say 16 hours would be better than ZHC.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 09:10
Cheryl,the statistics the Tories put out are a complete load of tosh!
The Tories changed the way that the unemployment statistics were counted (they did the same the last time they were in power btw) and last year there were 900,000 people who had their benefits sanctioned and miraculously disappeared from the unemployment statistics, same goes for the 400,000 people on "workfare schemes" so in actual fact the "true" total unemployment rate in the UK is 4.35 MILLION!

That doesn't include people on zero hours contracts who get a day here and a day there because said people on ZHC's CANT claim JSA for the days that they don't work because they are registered as being in work.

Reply Posted by Kfc on Monday April 21 2014 at 21:06
We all need a NEW Political Party to represent the working class. The Trade Unions past and Present All three main political parties have took the working class for a ride the last 30 years.

The miners fought and starved to give the working class a voice.its the biggest injustice to the working class for 30 years.

Sadly the next dispute will costs lives. History will prevail and one day the working class will rise again.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 09:22
The leader of the UNITE union Len Mcluskey is talking about removing funding and support of the Labour party and starting a new party for the working classes, of which said working classes the Labour were originally formed for.

Sounds good in principle but if UNITE remove funding from Labour then Labour will only get funding from other rich industrialists who wont have the workers rights at heart, in fact on the contrary I would foresee even worse industrial relations and terms and conditions as we have now.

Current industrial relations with the public sector and the Tory / Lib Dum coalition are at an all time low, the Tories are hellbent on eroding more and more terms and conditions that our forefathers have fought for.
It is no coincidence that since the coalition was formed we are seeing MORE strikes the likes of which have not been seen since the late 70's!
Strikes from teachers, firemen, rail workers union and paramedics to name but a few.

WORD OF WARNING THOUGH - If you think UKIP will do any better than the other three main parties then I would suggest you look at UKIP policy in great depth before deciding where to put your cross on your ballot paper.

Reply Posted by Brian on Monday April 21 2014 at 22:55
I'm working class and there is a political party that is good for everyone and that is the Conservatives. I suggest that you vote for them. Of course they are not perfect. but I consider them to be the best party for people like me.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 09:23
Hahahahahahahahaha, spits coffee all over laptop screen....

Reply Posted by hahahaha on Monday April 21 2014 at 23:35
Brian you clearly are mad, you have my sympathy.

Reply Posted by sam on Monday April 21 2014 at 23:37
Zero hours are a disgrace and should be abolished why should taxpayers subsidise employers who use these tactics also the minimum wage should be increased to a living wage again this would slash the benefits bill because 70% of benefits paid are to the working poor lets end the drive to the bottom and share the countries wealth more fairly!!

Reply Posted by Ray on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 07:57
Labour isn't labour. All three parties are Tory light

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 09:24
Totally agree Ray

Reply Posted by Ray on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 11:09
Love the comment above, used to be having a job meant you had a feeling of security and safety in that you knew you had a wage at the end of the week.

Hardly an incentive to work when a: you don't know if you will be working that day so not sure if you will be paid

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b: your company can just dictate when you come in when they have a large workload, so you can't plan your days.

The company at the end of the bypass ( you can no longer name them or WAB censors your post) regularly get rid of employees if they can't commit to all their hours - how fair, next you will have to give em a kidney for a job.

These companies are treating people as disposable assets and it is wrong.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday April 22 2014 at 12:05
The company at the end of the bypass also "sponsor" the chron job pages, talk about ironic!

The company at the end of the bypass DO treat people as expendable assets as they know full well that there are hoards of eastern Europeans that will work whenever they are asked to for pennies.

Is it really that much of a surprise that the company at the end of the bypass earned a record £40 MILLION pounds profit last year?
All while their employees are having to put up with crap wages which have to be supplemented by the tax payer in the form of Tax Credits AND up to press 10,000, yes, 10,000 "employees" have been through the doors of the company at the end of the bypass.....

Everyone is expendable in this day and age and the more legislation the Tories introduce the more workers rights are eroded.

Reply Posted by Nic on Wednesday April 23 2014 at 14:37
Alex, Miners weren't on zero hours contracts. The clue is in the title..?? Things have changed since then too, nowadays you need quals. Facts. Anything else you'd like help with? ?



Reply Posted by really on Wednesday April 23 2014 at 17:31
I'd like help with knowing what makes an internet troll tick, and why they haven't got the courage to say it to peoples faces.

Reply Posted by hello on Wednesday April 23 2014 at 17:42
really - ask yourself!!!

Reply Posted by goodbye on Wednesday April 23 2014 at 18:55
And there's another one.