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Vehicle Tax Changes - A WAB Guide

Wednesday October 1 2014




SWEEPING changes to vehicle taxing will see the end of paper discs in October. Here's your WAB Guide on what will change.

From October 1, the traditional paper tax disc - first issued on January 1, 1921 - will no longer be sent out or be required to be visible on your vehicle in a bid to reduce administration costs.

From November 1, drivers will be able to pay their vehicle tax online on an annual, six-monthly or monthly basis.

The Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) holds a digital record of taxed and untaxed vehicles, although it will continue to notify drivers when the tax is up for renewal.

Motorists with any remaining months left on their discs from October can either remove the disc from their vehicle or display it until it expires.

When a vehicle is sold to a new owner, the vehicle's tax will no longer be transferable and will end when it's sold. The new keeper will need to get the vehicle taxed immediately before the vehicle can be used.

What do you think to these changes? Have your say below. 

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Reply Posted by Jayne on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:25
Another bloody scam to get more money out of us.

Reply Posted by @Jayne on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:47
How on earth is it another scam? They're actually making it more affordable to tax a vehicle.

Reply Posted by John D on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 15:07
Please explain how you work that one out.If i tax my car for twelve months then sell it after six the tax dies and i or the new owner has lost six months revenue.the new car will have to be taxed ans they (The tax office) will have gained another chunk of money ???.

Reply Posted by T on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 15:35
Comment from earlier

Quick search on Google and here it is from the Daily Mirror:

"Instead, the tax disc will be cancelled and the seller will apply for a refund from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency for the remaining tax, with the buyer then re-taxing the car."

Reply Posted by Dennis on Thursday March 6 2014 at 18:44
Yes,This is well and good and as you say it will only cost us more but what will happen to the disabled people who get free road tax.Will we get notification that it has been renewed.

Reply Posted by Dennis on Thursday March 6 2014 at 18:46
No John,the tax will ride over to the new driver until it runs out..........I think.lol So confusing innit

Reply Posted by leo on Friday August 8 2014 at 19:09
as a motor trade dealer how is going to work for me

Reply Posted by TRACY on Tuesday August 19 2014 at 11:17
I wanted to know the same and I cant find a definitive answer to this from the traders perspective.

Reply Posted by Debbie on Thursday August 28 2014 at 10:41
if you sell your car, when you inform the DVLA you will automatically get a refund for the remainder of the disc.

Reply Posted by John Murphy on Monday September 8 2014 at 20:20
Because the government are going to 'double dip' every time a car is sold, they will the money for that months tax twice, once off the buyer and again off the seller.

Reply Posted by Dave on Sunday September 14 2014 at 15:31
so if i buy a car it has no tax, so i have to retax it befor I can drive it home or back to yard, next day i sell it so i have lost that tax, as i would only tax for a mth knowing it will be sold the next day,the new owner has to retax to drive away so the government gets two bites of the cherry, once again this corrupt government f*ks us over its hard enough making a living what with everyone becoming part time motor dealers on ebay facebook etc...

Reply Posted by trader on Sunday September 14 2014 at 15:43
Dave, I'm thinking your trade plates will cover your journey back from wherever? Hope so anyway!

Reply Posted by dave on Sunday September 14 2014 at 22:19
I'm a part time dealer no premises i dont have trade plates only trade insurance

Reply Posted by zak on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 11:10
depends how many cars each week you are selling on how it will affect you, 6 cars a week thats 6mths tax lost each week over the yr quite a considerable sum the winner the government the loser the trader... simple fact...........

Reply Posted by zak on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 11:10
depends how many cars each week you are selling on how it will affect you, 6 cars a week thats 6mths tax lost each week over the yr quite a considerable sum the winner the government the loser the trader... simple fact...........

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 17:23
Just been on phone to dvla from october car tax is changing all traders need to apply for trade plates to enable them to drive vehicles home as once the seller sells the car it is no longer taxed. you need to download form VTL301 to apply for trade plates. anyone with a motor traders policy can apply the laws were changed in feb this year, they now only cost equivalant to a yrs road tax

Reply Posted by conner on Tuesday September 23 2014 at 20:07
yes its a scam think about it if i buy my tax on say 17 month i have to pay from the 1st no matter what and if i sell my car on the 27th then the new owner as to tax it from the 1st of same month meaning that they made 17 days out of me for nothing and then and 27 from new owner hows that better learn the rules before commenting

Reply Posted by Lucky on Tuesday September 30 2014 at 21:09
No Premises No Trade Plates go get a proper job Trading is a full time occupation not for part timers

Reply Posted by Eric on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:50
If the only way police check if a vehicle is taxed and insured etc is by using cameras or looking at the number plate. What's to stop the more unscrupulous from putting the number plate from an identical vehicle on their own and therefore dodging the tax and insurance?

Reply Posted by kevin on Saturday October 4 2014 at 16:24
was on to dvla yesterday who told me as i have cars that sit on the road i have to tax the car put it in my name send v5 off wich may take up to 6 weeks to come back so that im last owner then when i sell the car i get tax back as im a registed owner can take up to 6 weeks to get my tax back so if i tax the 15th of this mth i lose a mth and if i sell on the 15th i lose a nother mth is the tax man gonna pick up the bill

Reply Posted by rick on Wednesday October 8 2014 at 13:29
the tax will not roll over the remaining tax will be refunded to last person seliing car

Reply Posted by june on Thursday October 9 2014 at 13:57
I bought my car off my friend v5 is still in her name and now I can't find it don't have renewal letter because she's moved address how can I tax my car today HELP been told car might have to be off road for six week ...I can't work without my car

Reply Posted by trader on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:00
Hi June,you have to write to DVLA and explain your problem, they willthen contact your friend. This has always been the case,the new system has made no change on this one. You are at DVLA and your friends mercy. Hopefully they will both reply immediately.

Reply Posted by Andrew on Monday October 20 2014 at 23:18
Actually Jane is correct.
Try doing some research moron!

Reply Posted by gary on Tuesday October 21 2014 at 11:23
it is as if you buy a car on the 16th of a month that is taxed by the previous onwer they will only receive a refund from the start of the next month normally this would have transfered to you but you will then have to tax the car so they get 2 months for one also you then sell you're taxed car you and the buyer will also have paid for the tax twice making 4 months cost for 2 and so on, it is true i like that you can now pay monthly thats good but should have been done more fair for the people not themselves

Reply Posted by Teri on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:26
Makes sense to do it like this to save on paper I suppose! Being green & all that!

Reply Posted by To Jayne! on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:27
How is it a scam to get more money out of you!? The only difference is you won't display a tax disc! Idiot.

Reply Posted by John Murphy on Monday September 8 2014 at 20:21
Because the government are going to 'double dip' every time a car is sold, they will the money for that months tax twice, once off the buyer and again off the seller.

Reply Posted by conner on Tuesday September 23 2014 at 20:10
yes its a scam think about it if i buy my tax on say 17 month i have to pay from the 1st no matter what and if i sell my car on the 27th then the new owner as to tax it from the 1st of same month meaning that they made 17 days out of me for nothing and then and 27 from new owner hows that better learn the rules before commenting only one idiot i can see on forum as sounds like no idea or work for dvla or gov

Reply Posted by shaun chipchase on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:31
when you sell your car will you get a refund on the unused months tax what you have paid for,could hyperthetically be 11 month

Reply Posted by Teri on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:31
To "to Jayne" the money making comes into effect when people are selling a car with tax on it, once the log book is sent off into the new persons name, they'll be sent a letter to re tax the car from that date it was sold. That's a bit ridiculous, looks like I'll be taxing my car for 6 month periods just Incase I do decide to sell it, at least I'll get my money's worth!

Reply Posted by @Teri on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:48
Could do it monthly direct debit then? Problem Solved!

Reply Posted by dave on Thursday March 6 2014 at 20:35
doing it montlhy (like everytihng else) will cost more than doing it every 6 months..which in return costs more than doing it yearly, so get your facts right before trying to be a smart ass!!

Reply Posted by David on Wednesday October 22 2014 at 21:03
Wrong, wrong & wrong again. Under the old scheme they added 10 percent to the VED cost, the new monthly and six monthly scheme will add 5 percent to the VED. So its a bit cheaper in fact!

Reply Posted by richard anderson on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:40
not all people have intermet who drive

Reply Posted by Brian on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:26
Whats Intermet? is it a new dating site you peasent

Reply Posted by Rob on Wednesday October 15 2014 at 07:18
What's a peasent? I've heard of a peasant. You're picking the guy up on his spelling error and making one yourself. Lol.

Reply Posted by Anon on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:41
Its either a good idea or a bad idea people will have to make up their minds when it comes into effect

Reply Posted by Andy on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 21:17
Just get one bus,walk and leave car on driveway to use as shed !

Reply Posted by Went on google on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:52
Quick search on Google and here it is from the Daily Mirror:

"Instead, the tax disc will be cancelled and the seller will apply for a refund from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency for the remaining tax, with the buyer then re-taxing the car."

Reply Posted by AVRIL on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:55
It is getting money out of people if theres tax on the car when they sell it ! The old owner loses any remaining , and the new owner has to tax it in their name ,, so ,losing any left on ? Its the same with the council ,, all done online ,, Ive had to apply for a few peoples bins for them , not many old people have , or can use internet ! This is just another way of getting rid of Post Offices .. ie peoples jobs !

Reply Posted by Craig on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:27
read the comments avril and maybe you will see why its actually a good idea.
perhaps your one of these old fuddy duddys that class's gettin out and about as going to the post office and back.

Reply Posted by dwayne on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 11:57
Carnt see a issue... no more ques in postoffice... pay for it monthly then if you sell car the tax and payment stops straight away... much better than currant system.... its basically a pay as you drive sceme without saying as much...

Reply Posted by Pete on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:03
vehicle tax as it is now called (road tax in the olden days) should be scrapped and placed on fuel. everyone pays and there is less admin. No-one dodges it.

Reply Posted by Craig on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:28
why should i pay the same as someone whos car has 3x the emmissions mine has? shurrup you plonker..

Reply Posted by del boy on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:36
nar craig shut up you plonker rodney

Reply Posted by John Murphy on Monday September 8 2014 at 20:24
They will pay more because if their emissions are three times higher they'll be buying a lot more fuel, it is by far the fairest system, those who drive thirstier cars the furthest pay more.

Reply Posted by allan machen on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:03
dvla only reinburse full month tax so if you get 12 months tax and sell car after 6 depending on the date they recive the tax back you only get5 months back so they make money on the part months tax

Reply Posted by jason on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 22:06
you don't get the same amount per month back for your tax as you paid either,,they skim a little off that too and call it admin..

Reply Posted by Me.. on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:06
Imagine it still makes money, if i sell on 2nd of mth it will not give me that mth back but will charge the next person. Thereby raking in double in that month! You can buy online now peeps - no post office ques!?

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:18
Dvla will make money by only refunding for full not part months,stupid,not broken,worked perfectly well for donkeys years,progress? My arse!

Reply Posted by Phantom on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:21
How the hell is it a scam??? You can get a refund on any tax not used just like you can now. The ONLY difference is that you don't display a disk, it's done online (and I'm guessing over the phone, for all those using the "I haven't got the internet" excuse) and you can pay monthly, making it more affordable for people.

People will main about anything!!

Reply Posted by ANDY on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:50
If you sell your car on 2nd of the month you don't get a refund for that part month but the new owner pays again for that month=SCAM simple!!!

Reply Posted by konrad on Tuesday August 26 2014 at 21:27
phantom u dont seem to understand what scam the government is running, by only refunding the full months remaining they will make hundreds of millions more as every time a car is sold the refund takes place and they scam people out of a few quid (up to £ 25 if vehicle is sold shortly after the 1. of the month and the high tax class), before they couldnt do that as the tax was transfered to the new owner. its a huge money making scam.

Reply Posted by Phantom on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:23
Dave...they only refund full months now. Always have done!!

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:35
I know phantom,but at moment there's no need to claim a refund,just leave it on car and allow for remaining tax on price of car,so no cash lost n no extra revenue for Osborne to waste,you really think they're doing this to benefit the motorist? Yeah righto!!

Reply Posted by craig on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:49
this will stop people using fake disks so everyone has to pay about time I think

Reply Posted by Will on Monday September 29 2014 at 14:39
Nothing to do with fake disks as tax has been checked by cameras for ages.
Anyone can see its a scam with the government making on part months.
Also a a motor trader, I have to add an additional name to the V5 if I want to tax it and use it short term. That use is not covered by trade plates.

Reply Posted by Tosh on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:54
If you change payments to allow for monthly contributions, it can take the pressure off vehicle owners for that once every year/six months drain. This system also allows increases in tax to be split into 12 pieces and absorbed by the public with the same ease.

Reply Posted by mandy on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 12:56
And how are you ment to pay if u dont have Internet access ??

Reply Posted by TL:DR? on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 13:27
Mandy, I'm sure they will still have the option to pay by phone (or haven't you got one of those either?) or failing that why not use your local library and it's free computer access to buy your car tax online?
Were there too many comments to read through?

Reply Posted by @mandy on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 13:37
How are you using WAB then?

Modern smartphones have internet if you didn't realise.

Reply Posted by Onserver on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 19:04
3 things. This is catagorically designed to take business from post offices. And to cut staff at dvlc. Older people as someone said dont have internet access. And finally. When we normally pay in 6 month instalments, we pay more. So. If we pay monthly. Ir 6 monthly. Will the cost of taxing vehicles be sugnifically reduced( as manpower will be lost Cutbacks and wage reductions)? Or will it be increased?

Reply Posted by craig on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:31
older people shouldnt be on the road they should be making use of there bus passes they are always moaning about!

Reply Posted by anon on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:32
Craig, Nar you shurrup ya plonker

Reply Posted by Andy on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 21:28
Ti's the end of the world, grab your belongings and leave the bloody car behind !

Reply Posted by Laura on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 19:31
Is there any information regarding how the authorities will avoid an increase in people driving around without tax? If the discs are not displayed, then we automatically assume each car is taxed and they won't get checked unless they are in some kind of accident/incident? Whilst I like the idea of doing it online, I don't like the idea of introducing something which could encourage people not to tax their cars.

Reply Posted by ian on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 19:40
lauren there is cameras to catch tax dodgers.. take a look when you are out and about.

Reply Posted by Andy on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 21:35
I did that, looked up, smiled and crashed !

Reply Posted by Observer on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 20:23
Laura. When a police vehicle pulls you over. They already know each peice of info about you. Before they ask any questions. Regarding the vehicle that is. Whether it belongs to you etc. they already know if it is taxed or insured. The information coming will remain on the existing database they already have.

Reply Posted by Gary Batterley on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 21:46
So when a new buyer buys a car private he drives the car away with no tax right ?.

Reply Posted by Katy on Tuesday March 4 2014 at 23:12
So without actually being in possession of a v5 (logbook) in new owners name how do you get the car taxed?? Currently it costs extra if you are waiting for logbook to come through is this part of the money making scam too??
Also when purchasing from a garage how can you tax car before leaving the forecourt???? Are traders allowed to purchase for their customers to be road legal???

Reply Posted by Adam on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 21:47
Is this the end of driving as we know it ? Never again seeing my beer mat tucked away in the corner screen !

Reply Posted by Ash on Thursday March 6 2014 at 07:59
I have read this and my view is that there are 2 ways to look at this, 1 is a disadvantage and the other an advantage;

When you sell a car as "Taxed & Tested" it is more appealing to the buyer so they can literally just insure it, this won't be the case now and another cost for a buyer to factor in to the purchase price...... Not life threatening I know but still, nevertheless.

Monthly payments for tax is good for people who earn minimum/lower wages (Not being offensive to anyone here, it takes some earning these days!!) or get paid monthly and like to budget, personally I will still stick to 6mths at a time - especially if you lose the tax if you sell the car....

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:32
Tax should be balanced not just on emissions, but on usage. How is it fair that someone that owns a Range Rover, that does just 1,000 miles per year should pay much more road tax than someone with a 1.2 litre Toyota Yaris that does 25,000 miles per year?

Reply Posted by Tony on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:43
End of day Richard.. you choose what to drive..example I drive a Ford focus.

it is in my budget and economical has a family car. Buy a big juice guzzler and expect to pay. Rich people with big flashy cars pay pay pay.. sadly I am not in a position to choose, just glad to be able to get to work and take kids out now and again..

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday March 6 2014 at 17:42
@ Tony, I understand where you are coming from, but the way it has been set is that our freedom of choice is being taxed and not what the tax is supposed to be calculated upon, which is emissions. My example of a large engine car doing 1,000 miles versus a small engine car doing 25,000 is a fair argument especially when we also consider that the larger usage also contributes towards extra wear and tear of the roads, which of course isn't paid for so much due to the amount of tax.

Reply Posted by Billy Wade on Thursday March 6 2014 at 16:48
Richard@ would you sooner see the road tax abolished and the costs put on fuel?

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday March 6 2014 at 17:37
@ Billy Wade, I'm not sure that suggestion would work, as small businesses would suffer and supermarket groceries would also rise due to transportation costs (unless the govt allowed a special dispensation in these cases). I just think its a little unfair to pay a disproportionate tax for occasional users larger engine cars versus small engine cars that can do tens of thousands of miles more (and essentially create greater emissions over a year).

Reply Posted by Spanish n Kali on Thursday March 6 2014 at 17:13
Taxing this way means less messing about if you like to swap about. its a bit like the ITV system in Spain.

Reply Posted by anon on Thursday March 6 2014 at 17:29
Just wondering..how it will work out for individuals who like to leave clapped art motors half on pavements just to make it awkward for neighbours!? how would this be managed when it's just non main routes??

Reply Posted by Joe on Thursday March 6 2014 at 17:48
Richard when you get your car 'taxes' it is not road tax you are paying, it's vehicle exercise duty, so when you 'tax' your car it doesn't pay solely for the roads as you think, road mainline nice is paid by the tax payer, this also annoys me when car drivers believe they are entitled to the roads and bike riders are not even though the cyclist may actually pay more taxes than the car driver. Also if a old person drives legally they manage to get insured just fine, can't see why they can't get it taxed online/through the phone.

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday March 6 2014 at 18:00
@Joe the Tax Disc or Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) is supposed to be a Road Fund Licence, another term used is Road Tax. I'm not sure I understood the rest of your post or how it is relevant, as proficient cyclists/bike riders are entitled to use the roads (except certain roads and motorways), as for old people, getting tax through a phone I'm unsure what you mean and how it applies here?

Reply Posted by Mystery on Thursday March 6 2014 at 19:13
I don't understand all the upset. You buy a years tax now and sell your car after 6 months you either sell it with 6 months tax or get a refund of any outstanding complete months. Under the new rules you can't sell with tax on you apply for a refund of any complete month exactly the same. The only difference is you don't get a piece of paper to put in your windscreen. Its not hard!!!

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 07:29
quite agree for the private seller what about the trader trading half dozen cars a week losing a mth each motor thats 6 mths worth of tax each week ad it up over the yr quite a considerable chunk of money the corrupt government is taking away from your business

Reply Posted by Mystery on Thursday March 6 2014 at 19:14
I don't understand all the upset. You buy a years tax now and sell your car after 6 months you either sell it with 6 months tax or get a refund of any outstanding complete months. Under the new rules you can't sell with tax on you apply for a refund of any complete month exactly the same. The only difference is you don't get a piece of paper to put in your windscreen. Its not hard!!!

Reply Posted by Mystery on Thursday March 6 2014 at 19:14
I don't understand all the upset. You buy a years tax now and sell your car after 6 months you either sell it with 6 months tax or get a refund of any outstanding complete months. Under the new rules you can't sell with tax on you apply for a refund of any complete months exactly the same. The only difference is you don't get a piece of paper to put in your windscreen. Its not hard!!!

Reply Posted by Mystery on Thursday March 6 2014 at 19:14
I don't understand all the upset. You buy a years tax now and sell your car after 6 months you either sell it with 6 months tax or get a refund of any outstanding complete months. Under the new rules you can't sell with tax on you apply for a refund of any complete months exactly the same. The only difference is you don't get a piece of paper to put in your windscreen. Its not hard!!!

Reply Posted by Vicky on Thursday March 6 2014 at 19:43
DVLA are complete numpties!!
How does this leave people in the motor trade????

Reply Posted by dave on Sunday September 14 2014 at 22:25
exactly Vicky i would like to know this one as well as we gonna be losing trade and money full yrs mot 6mths tax is an incentive to purchase vehicle we can no longer do this ludicrous

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 07:30
out of pocket quite considerably

Reply Posted by richard on Wednesday October 8 2014 at 13:42
i copyed this from i few posts up exactly Vicky i would like to know this one as well as we gonna be losing trade and money full yrs mot 6mths tax is an incentive to purchase vehicle we can no longer do this ludicrous it makes no differnts its the same for everybody

Reply Posted by Chris3663 on Thursday March 6 2014 at 20:15
So you experts...
If I buy a car off joe bloggs, the car is still in his name until he sends the log book off to the DVLA .
In the eyes of the DVLA and their computer system he still owns the car until they receive the log book and update the details on their system.
So as I'm sat on his drive in the car how do I tax it if they think mr bloggs still owns it?
Will there be a system in place for me to tax the car without been on the DVLA's system as been the owner?

Reply Posted by kim on Thursday March 6 2014 at 20:26
read dvla website. all the info on there. sorry I cant make head nor tail off it myself,,

Reply Posted by Bob on Thursday August 28 2014 at 00:06
yes.. only comment so far that really makes sense..unless the DVLA new helpline can cope in real time to buy new tax before the V5 form is posted back to themwhich(they then ignore for the normal 6 weeks or so)..you are..well..stuffed!!

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 07:31
the helpline will probs be robots or in india who we cant understand

Reply Posted by Chris3663 on Thursday March 6 2014 at 20:25

I'll answer my own question as I've just checked the DVLA's website. (The v5c/2 is the green slip you get from the seller)

When buying a used vehicle you will be able to use the V5C/2 - new keeper supplement to pay vehicle tax at a Post Office branch, along with the MOT certificate (if applicable) and fee. From 1 October 2014 you will also be able to pay vehicle tax using the V5C/2 online or by phone.
When selling a vehicle to a new vehicle keeper, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferable. Vehicle tax will end when a vehicle is sold and the new keeper will need to get the vehicle taxed immediately before the vehicle can be used.

Reply Posted by Sam on Friday March 7 2014 at 01:26
They are doing this to cut admin costs but then you are paying to tax the car again which is more than what the admin costs are! Yet again the driver is being hit by the government to get more money.

Also what is going to happen when the computers go down and you are pulled for not having tax you have no proof.

Stupidity!

Reply Posted by Jayne on Friday March 7 2014 at 08:31
Sam for pitties sake don't disagree or you will put classed as an idiot( as I am the so called idiot). I will defend my post by saying, no matter what the government do is for there financial benefit never ever ours. Incredibly sceptical of anything the government do, yes I am but an idiot... Far from it

Reply Posted by KH on Sunday March 9 2014 at 17:52
God aren't people drama queens?!

If you've ever had problems receiving your disc on the post like me and my bf have, you'll know the current system is a massive pain.

No one checks discs anyway because it's already all online anyway, so they're redundant. It'll save admin, paper, time and money moving it all online.

To who said 'what if the computers go down" - are you insane? These systems are protected and backed up - the info won't just disappear if a DVLA pc goes down.

Also, how is this possibly a 'scam'? It's all 100% legitimate, and the only way they profit is from the incomplete months which you can't get a refund for - big whoop! For most modern cars 1 month of road tax isn't much at all, it's not like they're trying to con every driver out of hundreds of pounds.

I welcome the change and I'm looking forward to being able to pay monthly since my tax is very expensive!

Reply Posted by Konrad on Tuesday August 26 2014 at 21:34
The computers are protected? my arse........... was once arrested cause my driving licence wasnt showing up on the system and the coppers almost drove me to jail i had to fight for 15 min with them to drive me home and show them my freakin licence, they said then it happens frequently that some driving licence details or vehicle details are not showing on their data base

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 07:34
all well an so for the private sale what about traders alf dozen cars a week thats 6mths tax lost in a week add it up over the year quite a considerable sum stolen from your business

Reply Posted by pam on Sunday March 9 2014 at 17:56
It is a scam because in this day and age where income is concerned more people will opt for for the monthly payment and we all know 12mths tax is cheaper than doing it in 2 6mth payments so im guessing 12 monthly payments will add up to far more than a 12 or 6 mth disk as it is now thats where the scam is so they make out its for the motorists benifit but hidden beneath is more money to the dvla

Reply Posted by Tarn lad on Sunday March 9 2014 at 18:10
Jesus some people on here. I hope they don't breed.

Reply Posted by gh on Sunday March 9 2014 at 23:32
it will make it harder to sell cars people like to buy with tax on without they look at it as its poss another £125 on top of car [on dearest tax ]and from a traders point of view they are supposed to by law make sure the vehicle is legal to leave there premises new owners may not be in a position straight away to tax it hence time waiting and vehicle stood and if customer has no off road parking a trader will not be able to deliver it as well

Reply Posted by x on Monday March 10 2014 at 00:53
Just get over it already.... people from Barnsley just dont like change.

Reply Posted by Eric Bailey on Monday March 10 2014 at 08:06
The simple way would be to put road tax on the price of fuel. Those using the roads most will pay more. The tax dodgers would have to pay as they will need fuel to run the car.

Reply Posted by Mad, Bad & Dangerous to Know on Monday March 10 2014 at 09:43
Good idea Eric, even pikeys will have to pay, but I have always thought a, Insurance Disc of some description should be on display in a motors windscreen.

Reply Posted by Eri Bailey on Tuesday March 11 2014 at 04:50
So true. I agree entirely, and mot discs too.

Reply Posted by Mark on Monday August 11 2014 at 22:51
Who cares theres nothing we can do about it David Scameron and co have decided for us and thats it !! And there is a plus side we can now clean the left hand corner of our windscreens good news i think !!

Reply Posted by konrad on Tuesday August 26 2014 at 21:37
David Scameron, hahahahahhah, i love that one, never heard it before,
hahahahahahahahahahaah

Reply Posted by Guy on Wednesday August 13 2014 at 14:44
It IS a scam. The only benefit is to the government. If you sell a car before the end of a month you will lose that period of tax - you only get a refund on complete months remaining Similarly the new owner will have to pay a full month's tax if he or she wishes to drive it immediately - which circumstances may dictate is essential. So someone buying a car three weeks into a month will have to pay road tax for that entire month - even though they will have enjoyed a week of that tax as their own vehicle.

Also, a taxed vehicle with an MOT is a major selling point - the seller has now lost that inducement to possible buyers.

Being able to buy the tax online isn't a new thing so trying to say it's a good thing on the strength of that is piffle. Indeed it is just an extra hurdle for elderly people that don't have Internet access or mobile phones - yes, unbelievably, some people don't want to join the shallow masses online.

Reply Posted by Tony on Friday August 15 2014 at 21:05
As a Garage owner, I think this is another idiotic move by the government, They save 2p on not having to supply a paper disc that they already charge £100's for which gives a clear indication to everyone that the car is taxed or not as the case may be. If they put a few pence on the price of fuel ( which they already have done anyway ) to cover the cost of the road tax, then they wouldn't need tax discs or these stupid ANPR camera's that must be costing Millions of pounds to install. So Now, If I want to Test drive a customers Vehicle, I have no idea if it is taxed or not. ??? So I have to Either purchase Trade plates and waste more money that has to be passed onto the customer or check online every time that I jump into a car to Test drive it., If I Test drive 10 cars a day this is going to be a real pain and is only going to end up costing the customer more money.

We sometimes Test drive 2 or 3 cars at the same time ( we deal with lots of intermittent running faults ) so should we then buy 3 sets of trade plates just because the government has had a bright idea to save a few pence by not issuing a tax disc. Unless someone can clarify this situation then at the moment it sounds like another nail in the coffin for a lot of garages.

Reply Posted by jimmy on Friday August 15 2014 at 21:20
Well Tony, that's a good post. I'm a garage owner too, and I had never even thought of the road tax implications on customers cars! I do have trade plates,so will use them! The trade is difficult as it is and its not going to get better any time soon. It,all be the drive in MOT stations next I reckon. I've been involved with main dealers. :O many are shocking. When the small garages are gone it will be a bad day for motorists.

Reply Posted by jamie on Saturday August 16 2014 at 00:30
i work at a used car dealer and the scheme is designed so that older cars are scrapped rather than re-sold. for example, if i take a part exchange from a customer thats 10 years old and done over 100,000 miles and the bodywork is bad, we would offer £100 / £150 and attempt to re-sell at £499 if mechanically ok and the car has tax and mot. anyone looking for a cheap run-around for a couple of months will now have to factor in road tax on top of the £499 which makes the proposition less attractive. car dealers will now dismiss any older vehicle as a part exchange as it will not be viable to try and re-sell the car and would at best re-coup p/x value after scrapping without taking into account the time-out taken to go and get the thing weighed in.

Reply Posted by chris ivison on Monday August 18 2014 at 20:06
i buy and sell vehicles what happens when i buy a vehicle to re sell it i have no where to store it how does it work because if i tax it ,it will have another owner on it surely the person i sell to will tax it that means ive got to get a refund govermenti ur ard work

Reply Posted by Trace on Tuesday August 19 2014 at 11:24
surely if you are a trader you can fill in the yellow slip...nothing changes then and it would remain taxed until the owner actually changes on the V5?

Reply Posted by dave on Sunday September 14 2014 at 15:41
if this is the case car traders will be exempt and ok but i have a feeling this is not so it would be to easy for the corrupt government to allow

Reply Posted by anon on Monday August 18 2014 at 20:30
The people that buy cars from the side of the road/grass verges etc will be tmpted to drive them without bothering to tax them. The seller will get a refund and leave the car untaxed.

Reply Posted by Trace on Tuesday August 19 2014 at 11:24
I am still in the dark as to how this works in a trade situation

Reply Posted by dave on Sunday September 14 2014 at 15:46
me also if i buy a car its not taxed so i have to tax it to drive it back home, then resell next day thus losing a mths tax total madness, i am a part time trader i dont have premises or trade plates, my partner is in full time work so we do not claim for any benefits, i might just chuck the towel in an go on the sick like the rest...

Reply Posted by trader on Sunday September 14 2014 at 15:56
Dave, no premises? No trade plates? Driving from A to B with no insurance then? You,ve just posted about part time traders on eBay etc? Sound a bit like you Dave. Yes, chuck in the towel. Sounds goodt to me.

Reply Posted by dave on Sunday September 14 2014 at 22:31
I have a motor traders policy so how am i driving without insurance idiot i am insured for any motor vehicle upto 7.5 tonne

Reply Posted by trader on Sunday September 14 2014 at 22:36
Just asking dave,just asking. Do you sell from the kerbside?

Reply Posted by trader on Sunday September 14 2014 at 22:46
Just asking dave, just asking. Its illegal to sell kerbside that's all.

Reply Posted by private seller on Sunday September 14 2014 at 22:56
I want to sell my car from the kerbside, so why is that illegal ?

Reply Posted by trader on Sunday September 14 2014 at 23:19
Just check up on Barnsley Council bylaws that's all.

Reply Posted by trader on Sunday September 14 2014 at 23:32
Private sellers can, but not traders.

Reply Posted by trader on Sunday September 14 2014 at 23:34
Private sellers can, but not traders.

Reply Posted by Dave on Monday September 15 2014 at 16:52
I dont sell kerbside I sell by word of mouth & the internet auto trader, I live on a farm an use the farm land to park vehicles on. the farmer is ok with me doing that so no vehicle is on a public highway.

Reply Posted by vinnyb on Tuesday August 19 2014 at 14:57
This is quite simply a money making exercise by the govt. Every time a vehicle is sold/exchanged the govt get two months tax revenue for it. Nothing to do with making it easier for drivers to pay their car tax.

Reply Posted by anon on Tuesday August 19 2014 at 19:42
I'm a trader. I asked my local post office how it will work out for me. They don't know. I would have thought by now that there would have been some guidelines out by now,but it seems not. I can see an almighty screw up on the cards.

Reply Posted by Darren on Wednesday August 20 2014 at 01:25
I'm confused as to how this is going to work if you buy a car from a garage - last time we bought a car we got the local garage to buy us the tax disc before we got there so we had it all taxed and ready to drive when we got there. But with these new rules from what I can see you won't be able to get the garage to tax a vehicle, as it needs to be in your name to tax it - is that right? so what about the interim period of when you buy the vehicle and are waiting for the DVLA to return the V5 with the new owners details? and also would we need to go down to the local PO to tax the vehicle first - our local PO is about 5 miles from our garage (thanks to government PO closures) surely they can't expect us to walk 10 miles after just buying a car just to get it taxed!

Reply Posted by Debbie on Thursday August 28 2014 at 10:55
You can phone a landline no 24/7 and the tax will be instant. If you are buying a car all you need to do is get it before you pick up the car or call when at the garage.

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 07:37
is that a manned line or robots yer sure that will work

Reply Posted by car sales on Wednesday August 20 2014 at 08:59
@Darren,the only way we can see so far,is to do the online BUMPH at the garage. Hopefully we will have an announcement from somewhere soon. I asked at our post office and they too don't know. What a mess.

Reply Posted by Darren on Wednesday August 20 2014 at 14:25
Thanks for the reply - well that's not going to work, my garage is 5 miles outside of Ludlow, has no proper internet access, you can't even get a phone signal never mind 3G - so it seems they've made it to put all small rural garages out of business >:( The rural area is already restricted with poor bus services, and now we're even going to loose our garage if they can't tax cars - mind you we've only got one police officer that serves Ludlow anyway so hopefully when we next buy a car he'll be off duty whilst we drive it untaxed into town to buy the tax ;)

Reply Posted by Darren on Wednesday August 20 2014 at 14:31
Actually - just thinking more about this - if you bought a car on one day, then took it to the PO to be taxed, the tax disc would start on said day wouldn't it? So even though it had no tax on the way to the PO when you got to the PO then it would be taxed, and the tax would cover for the time it was drove on the road to the PO right? So as long as no police officer stopped you until you got to the PO you'd be totally legal, and even if they did you had intention to purchase tax on that day - wouldn't they need a few days before they could legally seize the vehicle or could they do it immediately at the side of the road.

Reply Posted by Mack on Wednesday August 20 2014 at 18:13
This is complicated I am in the motor trade, I sell a car to my customer, he wants to drive the car home but it does not have any tax. And even if he was to get tax at a post office or online how does it work because the car is not yet registered on his name?
And also if he decided not to keep the car for any reason how would he be refunded?

Reply Posted by Debbie on Thursday August 28 2014 at 10:53
To help clarify a few questions, if you sell your car and notify DVLA you will automatically get a refund of the remainder FULL months left to run.
If you are the buyer you are to get the vehicle taxed straight away and can be done by phone 24/7 or online, so no excuses. Also if you are the seller its YOUR responsibility to ensure that the new owner has taxed the vehicle BEFORE they drive off or YOU could be liable for speeding tickets, fines etc.
Car dealers - you will just need to phone or go online to tax the vehicle before the customer leaves.
As this is instantly done i think its far better. Refunds will be sent out as soon as the DVLA have received your change of ownership, so this saves us a lot of hassle filling out forms etc.
There will also be a land line no to call 24/7 for buying tax.
All in all i think the changes are good and will actually benefit us once its in place.

Hope this answers some of the questions.

Reply Posted by Glyn on Saturday August 30 2014 at 15:18
This new tax system is only going to benefit travlers they will have 10 white transit vans all on one set of number plates police cameras will not be able to tell as long as one van is insured

Reply Posted by k on Saturday August 30 2014 at 15:24
As a motor trader, I am holding a number of taxed vehicles "in trade" (Yellow V5 slip sent off) What happens to the many remaining months of tax across these cars after 1st October? For some time now the trade have been unable to reclaim road tax but I pass it on to the new owner as a bonus. The price I gave for the cars factors in the tax element-this would now appear to be lost. Will it go back to the last named keeper upon being sold to a new customer?
There must be hundreds of thousands of vehicles in this "limbo" situation.

Reply Posted by k on Saturday September 6 2014 at 13:46
Quick update, I have now spoken to DVLA, & they have clarified it..... a bit. Basically they say if you sell a vehicle as a trader the remaining tax is refunded to the last named keeper.even if the vehicle is "in-trade" (Yellow Slip)
So the only way to recover any tax is by registering the business as an owner of the vehicle & filling out a V14 Form.Many former keepers will have a nice little winfall from the DVLA for cars they may have traded-in months previously. And the best bit with regard to saving paper is that refunds will be sent out by cheque!!!
Interesting times ahead.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday September 2 2014 at 19:24
So I buy a car as a trailer, this car does not get registered to me as its on the yellow trade slip. If I then park the car on the road I have to tax it, minimum of 6 months. As it is not registered to me I will not be able to claim back the 6 months tax. So I have to register the car to me. I then sell the car in 1 week, loose the rest of the months tax strait away. As the new documents will not have come through yet there will not be a v5 ref number required to buy the new tax online. No trader I know of knows how any of this is going to work and no answers are coming from Dvla. Not impressed . Money saving? Money making more like it.

Reply Posted by ADAM on Thursday September 4 2014 at 03:12
I have previously worked for the government as a Civil Servant and am now part time Motor trader so make this comment on a nuetral basis, THE GOVERNMENT HAVE NOT GOT A CLUE ABOUT LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD.I know it looks very organised from the outside but believe me it's a mess.Sending incorrect letters to customers with someone elses National Insurance number on the letter is a norm.People who are not motor traders don't fully understand the process involved in reclaiming road tax back.Heres the problem, If I buy a car for stock I fill out the yellow section of the V5 logbook and retain the rest as the law allows me to do so.I then go online and put tax on it for 6 months to be paid on a monthly basis via direct debit, If after 1 week I sell the car I can't claim any tax back as DVLA will require the car to be registered in my name, Ive tried before to explian to them that IM A MOTOR TRADER AND FILL OUT THE YELLOW BIT thats why its not registered in my name but they just shrug and say sorry, thats the rules.I plan to put tax on when I buy a car and pay monthly by direct debit and when i sell the car I'm just going to cancel my direct debit advising the new owner that they are responsible for taxing it and I always ensure I keep a reciept with time and date of sale so no comeback for me if new owner plans to drive without taxing it thats not my problem.What really upsets me is that DVLA are just making this up as they go along hoping it will all work out but people who buy and sell cars for a living are just totally worried and in the dark and DVLA are just burying their heads in the sand. I pay all my bills by direct debit and do everything online but I wish DVLA would just leave roadtax as it is.I cant believe a measly bit of paer will save them millions, Whoever thought of this idea needs to be shot at dusk. If anyone agrees plaese reply.I would love to hear what other traders think or are planning to do.

Reply Posted by Jim on Tuesday September 9 2014 at 20:43
Adam, I am a motor trader working from home (with motor trade insurance), buy most cars at auction, some with tax some without. I too have been wondering how I will overcome this as at the moment if I buy a car at auction with tax I'll use it as a runner til I sell it. I want to know how I can tax a car without adding a name to the V5 and waiting for it to come back from DVLA? I hope your idea will work otherwise us traders are going to have major problems.

Reply Posted by trader on Thursday September 4 2014 at 17:39
Adam, do you usually buy one car only,and use it until you have a buyer?

Reply Posted by Miah on Thursday September 4 2014 at 22:16
Adam, cheers for the clarification on the yellow slip. I'm in the same predicament...I buy and sell which at times I sell within few days, it varies. Now how will I be able to claim my tax refund back if the car sells before I'm registered as a trader on the vehicle?

Reply Posted by anon on Thursday September 4 2014 at 22:20
It may stop the kerbside car sellers. Which will be good.

Reply Posted by ADAM on Thursday September 4 2014 at 23:36
A lot of replies so ill try and start of in order
I buy and sell at least 4 or 5 cars a week.
Miah, forget claiming tax back, when you buy a car and it has no tax go online and tax it and when sold just cancel the direct debit, that way you will loose no money.
kerbisde sellers or big delerships if the guys in the trade and has motortrade insurance he should have the right to sell wetaher he has premises or not and if we stop his livelihood hell just end up on dole.

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 07:40
totally agree adam

Reply Posted by trader on Thursday September 4 2014 at 23:47
The kerbside sellers should be clamped down on Adam. I understand the council do round them up now and then. I have a pitch and pay £50 per year per vehicle spot,whether it has a vehicle for sale or not on it. This is on top of business rates. So I hope they do get stopped,I feel its unfair and unlawful.

Reply Posted by dave on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 07:43
why if the car is mot taxed insured why is it illegal to sell by the roadside? but not for private sellers lots of partime traders sell by the roadsidethey are only making a living instead of being on the dole I dont see a problem with it at all

Reply Posted by Garry on Friday September 12 2014 at 12:28
I am a motor trader. This thread has been helpful in answering some of my queries; namely, what happens to tax on cars already in the trade.
One of the 'perks of the trade' has been to drive cars already taxed. This will not, as from the 1st of October, be possible apart from presumably the short period from when the previous owner leaves the car at the garage, to when DVLA actually receives the yellow slip.
In my opinion the abolition of the disc is a major step backwards in fighting car crime. The number of untaxed, uninsured, cloned cars will rocket. It has either not been thought through fully or it is sheer arrogance on behalf of the officials for not having conducted proper consultation.
Maybe all this is a blessing. Perhaps it will very soon become such a mess that the new system will be scrapped and road fund duty will at last be added to the cost of fuel!

Reply Posted by Dr Debate on Tuesday September 16 2014 at 22:09
@Gary for over 5 years the DVLA and local authorities have invested millions on the NRS number plate reconigation systemn. Every main road motorway is linked to this systemn. If you don't believe me look for the cameras on lamp posts on round a bouts around the country.

The DVLA stands to make millions of pounds every month through the new systemn.

They is no way any one can get away with out paying road tax. Every obsticale has been covered by the Goverment and DVLA.

Big Brother is really alive on this one.

Reply Posted by tex on Friday September 19 2014 at 17:48
Traders have always legally had to inform their insurance co or the MID data base if a vehicle came into their temporary possesion with tax (FACT)- the reason being that every vehicle "capable" of being on a highway is accountable by an insurance co.From 1 oct that ceases to be the case as tax is automatically refunded to the last registered owner
Any "trader " wanting to drive a vehicle will have to tax it-end of story,
Trade plates are for testing.demonstrating,delivering a vehicle from A to B in coneection with that Trade-NOT for taking the wife shopping etc
Get in line or get out
A trader can still pay the" amount of the tax" to the buyer. Insurance cover has always had to be in place at time of delivery anyway so whats new ?
Only a fool would drive away without insurance.

Reply Posted by tex on Friday September 19 2014 at 17:53
This should help get rid of Athur Daleys purporting to be motor traders with insurance policies that are notworth the paper they are wriiten on. Those "traders" will discover that when they try to claim !

Reply Posted by tex on Friday September 19 2014 at 17:53
This should help get rid of Athur Daleys purporting to be motor traders with insurance policies that are notworth the paper they are wriiten on. Those "traders" will discover that when they try to claim !

Reply Posted by tex on Friday September 19 2014 at 17:53
This should help get rid of Athur Daleys purporting to be motor traders with insurance policies that are notworth the paper they are wriiten on. Those "traders" will discover that when they try to claim !

Reply Posted by tex on Friday September 19 2014 at 17:53
This should help get rid of Athur Daleys purporting to be motor traders with insurance policies that are notworth the paper they are wriiten on. Those "traders" will discover that when they try to claim !

Reply Posted by tex on Friday September 19 2014 at 17:53
This should help get rid of Athur Daleys purporting to be motor traders with insurance policies that are notworth the paper they are wriiten on. Those "traders" will discover that when they try to claim !

Reply Posted by tex on Friday September 19 2014 at 17:53
This should help get rid of Athur Daleys purporting to be motor traders with insurance policies that are notworth the paper they are wriiten on. Those "traders" will discover that when they try to claim !

Reply Posted by Daren Parker on Saturday September 20 2014 at 21:16
In most cases the DVLA will double there money because both parties the buyer ans seller will pay VED for the same month .

The only way round it is to sell your car close to the end of the month and get the buyer to tax it at the start of the next month .

In most cases the buyer will need to move the vehicle so he will need to tax it from the start of the month (this s a time period where the buyer did not drive or own the vehicle ).

Its a complete scam ,The DVLA should of allowed the tax to stay on the vehicle to the end of the month seeing it has been this period has paid for by the keeper .

This would allow the buyer to insure it ,drive it away and re tax at the start of the next month .

This needs addressing and a campaign started to stop this ,it is theft .

Reply Posted by graham on Sunday September 21 2014 at 20:47
Hi im picking a car up tue and tax runs out end of sep.am I ok to drive it on tax disk

Reply Posted by to graham on Sunday September 21 2014 at 21:02
Yes. The new scheme starts Oct 1st.

Reply Posted by peter on Sunday September 28 2014 at 17:27
so I'm also picking up a car on Tuesday taxed till 02/15 dose this mean I'm ok to use it till DVLA sends me a reminder

Reply Posted by to peter on Sunday September 28 2014 at 18:41
Don't think so Peter,as the tax isn't in your name. Look on the DVLAwebsite to put your mind at rest

Reply Posted by joe on Tuesday September 30 2014 at 15:28
How can I tax a vehicle if it's not in my name I'm to young to get a trade policy does this mean If I want to buy a car I have to go and view it hundreds of miles away the tell the guy yes I want it can you send off v5s the drive all the way home and wait for the papers to drive all the way back in a month and collect???? Or have they changed the rules so your insurance do sent have to tie in with the registered keeper????

Reply Posted by Lee on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 07:33
brilliant idea :) moving with the times. You get your money back just like before if you sell the car. Sure people just like to moan. They would moan if they had to stop paying car tax lol

Reply Posted by Mr tee bone on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 08:01
Just lower the price of ur car ur selling by how much tax the buyer wants to put on either 6mth or 12 mth truthfully the next time to make it better for selling on

Reply Posted by jim on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 08:12
sadly it is just a money racket...

you sell your car on the 1st of the month and the tax is £300 for 12 months.

you will lose around £26 and so will the new owner..

Reply Posted by Mark on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 08:21
Personally I think it's great I used to hate tearing those perforations incase I ripped the tax disc !!!!!

Reply Posted by Dell boy on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 09:07
bin drivin forty year WHATS a tax disc

Reply Posted by Marc on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 14:01
I am a trader, as of 1st October can I only move cars around by using trade plates or will I need to tax them?

Reply Posted by Me, here, now on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 15:01
If this is saving the taxpayer (real meaning - the Government) money by not having the expense of printing and posting discs why is the price of RFL not going down to the motorist ?? It`s actually putting more money in the Governments coffers. The funding they`ve spent actually putting cameras in place will soon be paid back by speeding fines, and fines from those who illegally and knowingly don`t pay RFL.

Reply Posted by jason on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 22:30
so if you see a car you like and you have to drive say 200 miles to view it and don't arrive there till 8pm because you cant go til after work..how the fek can you tax it if you buy it ,,to be legal to drive it home?...the only way I can see around this is for the seller to post date the log book for 1 day after the sale...but this would be a big gamble as not everybody is trusworthy

Reply Posted by anon on Wednesday October 1 2014 at 23:13
Its 24 hr on line. You do it on your phone, so take your bank details. Its ridiculous to be fair. There will be many who risk that drive home untaxed. This hasn't been thought through. Evidently the web site has been stonking for 13 hours today. Meltdown

Reply Posted by Russell on Thursday October 2 2014 at 15:41
So I go to privately buy a second hand car. The deal is agreed, cash changes hands. Presumably I can drive the car away since, I assume, I don't need to re-tax the car until DVLA have been notified of change of ownership. But how will I know when that has been done? If I wait for the 'log book' to arrive on my doorstep, it's already too late.

Reply Posted by trader on Thursday October 2 2014 at 16:35
No @Russell. You cant drive the car away mate. You have to tax it in your name. You,ll have to do it on your phone so you need your bank details. Loada crap! Its not been thought through at all. Read up on their website.

Reply Posted by paddy on Friday October 3 2014 at 01:31
Will the mot certificate still be valid? When the car is sold on or will the new owner have to re mot the car? This all just sounds like a scam if the mot still remains valid its just a matter of time before the new buyer has has to re mot the car on the day they buy it even if the seller has just mot'd the car or even if there is a number of months left. It might not happen straight away but it will happen, no government can afford to make certain cars tax exempt or pay less tax because of their low emissions and small engin size they have to make up the loss some how not just making people who drive cars with big engins pay more road fund tax to make up for that loss, this government is made up of liers and scamers. This system has not been thought through properly as with every other policey this government has implemented.

Reply Posted by trader on Friday October 3 2014 at 16:24
@paddy,the MOT cert is still valid.

Reply Posted by Chris on Sunday October 5 2014 at 15:11
If I have just bought a car can I tax it online then or would that be invalid because I would only have the green slip

Reply Posted by trader on Sunday October 5 2014 at 15:30
Yes @chris,you must tax it on line or at the post office before you drive it, just the same as insurance. Read up on the website. Its confusing to be fair. In other words you can't drive a vehicle if its not insured and taxed in your name.

Reply Posted by steve on Monday October 6 2014 at 21:59
I have just bought a car 3/10/14, the previous owner had sent off the logbook in his name only last week(he's a trader) so obviously it has not been processed in his name yet,I have the green slip of the logbook but can i tax the car with his green slip and fill in a v62 or will my tax be refunded to him when he gets the log book back?

Reply Posted by trader on Monday October 6 2014 at 22:38
Steve, the trader should have explained it to you. Call at the post office, its easier and faster than doing it online. If the car was in his name he will get the tax refund. You must tax and insure the vehicle straight away.

Reply Posted by carol on Tuesday October 7 2014 at 17:34
This is meant to be about saving on admin cost's, hows that going to work, when everyone has to be issued a refund (im guessing by cheque) when they sell their car, and everyone has to re-tax their new car? Just a big mess in my opinion and I agree..... money making scam. I have sold my car today, which was taxed til april 2015, I lose this months tax and the new buyer has to pay to tax the car from beginning of October, so the DVLA are making money and lots of it, cars are now being taxed twice in one month. Now I have to wait for my refund, which will take, god knows how long!!!

Reply Posted by eve on Wednesday October 8 2014 at 22:27
what I would like to know is if I go to buy a car tomorrow can I just call the dvla from the car place to tax my new car so I can drive it away?

Reply Posted by trader on Wednesday October 8 2014 at 23:14
At some garages yes @eve. Its easier at the post office tho.

Reply Posted by simon on Thursday October 9 2014 at 16:53
hi i have just bought a car and i dont have any off the v5 i have got to pay the 25 pound fee for a new one can i still pay monthly at the same time as i apply for a v5 at post office as the car needs taxing asap

Reply Posted by Bazza on Sunday October 12 2014 at 10:04
I have just purchased a van, with no tax (10th Oct), and obviously need to tax it. I have trade insurance. If I send off my yellow slip today, and tax online today, will the tax be in my name? I have been online to purchase my tax disc and it doesn't actually ask for my name, just card details - what if I used my partners card to tax - would it then be in her name as it will be a few days until the DVLA get my details.

Reply Posted by Stug on Sunday October 12 2014 at 21:01
I have bought a car today. It was taxed until the end of January 2015. I have tried the website and by phone using my green slip reference as prompted. But it keeps coming up that the car is not recognised? Any help or advice?

Reply Posted by to stug on Sunday October 12 2014 at 21:54
I would try the post office stug.

Reply Posted by Aunt Hilder on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 16:19
what a load of moaning minnies. Move with the times. Bet you lot moaned when we moved from slate to paper.

Reply Posted by Brian on Tuesday October 14 2014 at 19:25
@Aunt hilder, If you have nothing usefull to say, dont say anything.

There has been a big black hole of missing info!, with our real life experiences we will try and gather that missing info, Heres a few Q's that need arnswers too.
1. Can you tax the car, on the phone, at the roadside when buying a used car when the logbook is not yet in your name? Or is the only option if not waiting for the logbook to be in your name actually having to go to a post office?
2. Will tax be accepted on calling/ going to post office if the insurance MID ( askmid ) has not been updated? as its all done online, the insurance MID database takes 48 hours on average to update, scene as Insurance is a requirement of getting your tax, Will they allow tax, if its showing as 'uninsured' on the ASKmid website/anpr database ? Because I have noticed with previous cars I have bought, this website is not instant, therefore if taxing at the roadside, Is this going to be another problem?

I am happy to go with the times, but want to know what it is exactly we are dealing with here, theres no point taking a leap of faith if its in the fog over a mountain cliff!

We need more clarification, and we need it fast, Car traders are missing out not knowing what the deal is. and anyone against dealers should know that we work hard to do our job, its not easy and often fraught with lost profits and worry. Tax is one issue that makes our lives harder. So far all I can see its its a money making scam.

No more 'get with the times' comments please, we need usefull information and clarification, Not two hats, or idiots .

Come on folks, lets help each other out, so far its the website with real live updates on the new tax rules, dont let idiots spoil it, keep the info feed going!!!

Reply Posted by Motoruk on Thursday October 16 2014 at 10:06
@Brian and @MIA: I'm motor trader as well and just spent last nigt reading about changes: there are yours answers.
1) You need tax the car online/by phone 0300 123 4321 local rate from mobile/Post Office straight away after transaction using V5/2 - part 10 from memory New Keepers Supplement. Insurance is NOT checked for tax purposes any more. only MOT. Or use Trade Plates insead. If you buying and ment to park it in your yard you can use yellow section (TRADERS). If you or your workers ment to use it for private use (even home-work trip) you will need to fill-up V5 on your/their/business name and send it over to DVLA and of course wait for a new one over month usual. Now : that is the law. What are realistic options:
a) fill up yellow slip buy 6 months tax using V5/2 - but ones sold you won't get any refund of tax as sending yellow bit does not make you registered keeper, only informs DVLA that car is in your possesion. and also its against the rules (same as using Trade Plates for shopping with wife).
b) fill up green slip (V5 and V5/2) buy 6 months tax using V5/2 - ones sold you will get refund of tax for FULL outstanding months as sending V5 does make you registered keeper, BUT as you aware produces extra owner (wich you are really not), delays trade (car grounded) and informs DVLA that car is in your legal (roadworthy) possesion.

Translaiting this for simple language;
yes - TAX will be paid twice for dealing month, but because of no physical disc buyer is unable to check if car is TAX'ed at the moment (ie. no internet acces in sellers place etc.). they made it same as Insurance - to drive off you will need to sort out both now. will GOV make extra many on this? well as always when they trying to save some they loose more. as every one knows well. cars declared to dvla on traders slip are automaticly SORNED witch means they do not recive any money for this time.
NO - you can not use/park the car on the road if is not tax'd. which is the case for small dealing-from-home traders.

not a big deal for private sells, only grounding as Traders as we either need to brake law to be legal=Roadworthy (misuse of Trade Plates/driving incorrectly TAX'd car (yellow slip sent to DVLA, tax'ed on V5/2 = similar offence).

One good news the rules to obtain traid plates changed that means you dont have to have any more business permisses to obtain them. there are also few links worth to click on:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/359338/VTL301G_050814.pdf

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/306574/VTL301_220414.pdf

Another change, by the way, since closure of ALL DVLA local offices they made aviable to change a tax class on Post Office wich is reqiured if you buy Disabled=NIL tax vehicle i.e. and tax the vexicle straight away.

Reply Posted by Mia on Wednesday October 15 2014 at 23:34
I still feel that the DVLA have not done and extensive research for motor traders. A) They say for a trader to drive the car on the road it needs to be registered in their name. Doesn't this devalue the vehicle as it's adding more owners? B) If a trader taxed one of his vehicles before the change and then sells the vehicle after October he looses his money. I for one bought a car in May 2014. The vehicle was parked away until I decided to use it in September. I taxed the vehicle obviously under trade knowing that the Yellow part of the log book was sent away. Come October I hear I cannot get my refund because the vehicle was not registered in my name. Apparently the money I paid £156 odd goes back to the previous keeper. This makes me wonder why do we need to put our details on the Yellow slip for? when that does not let you be acknowledged you are the owner in trade. I feel this is unfair. Just the thought that the previous keeper will be better off with something they sold and forgot about. I feel so angry with this change.Reason being I bought the vehicle paid the owner off, spent a lot of money servicing the vehicle and then to hear my RFL money goes to the previous owner. (So these coming days we shall get a 20k miles vehicle with 4 to 5 owners surely there shall not be a need for hpi. I use hpi to check such new vehicles when they have plenty owners incase of history. Surely hpi must pack up. Or unless DVLA should stop showing number of previous owners on the log books. C) The other issue I feel that has not been thought properly is say; I as a trader buy a vehicle today decide I want to use the vehicle so i tax the vehicle and send of the log book. Tomorrow I get a buyer whose really interested in my vehicle how do I sell the vehicle to him? I mean a vehicle without the v5c is as good as an illegal vehicle. I for one would never touch a vehicle without the v5c so how can a buyer trust you. Does that mean I will have to wait until 4 weeks before I can sell that vehicle until the v5c comes back. Surely this just shows I should quit my trade and sit on dole as some of us traders rely on a 1 car sell at a time. Not all can afford forecourts. I would be happy to hear some positive feedback. Maybe some traders who are in my situation would have a better view of all this.

Reply Posted by Motoruk on Thursday October 16 2014 at 10:43
@MIA this answer i found on dvla vebsite:

Q: I run a small sales business and have 5 guys working for me who all have use of a vehicle as part of their package. At present they generally use part exchanges which have tax and MOT.
How will this affect me? Can we tax off the green slip for instance?

A:After 1 October the vehicle should be registered to the dealer before they can be used for this purpose. Yes, the green slip can be used for this purpose. Alternatively, Trade Plates can be applied for to operate as a business.

About the tax you have paid - because the info from GOV-DVLA was/is very poor i'll try to use V14, old disc, and an explanation letter to get refund, as they say because of changes they will EVERY unusual case treat on individual bases.

also we will be able use the car WITHOUT RT/VED in 2 cases: Prebooked MOT + preebooked VIC check. Insurance have to be valid-in place.

With using the wehicles separate for businees/trade or personal use, the people that sitting in the office and writing new rules, same as most of the customers doesn't have a bloody idea how motor trade operates in REAL on daily basis, they just see as the people who jumping from car to car for pleasure and to make them look better/richer more then rest of the surrounding community. REAL life of motor trader is that we do not have a time to test drive the cars properly before we sell them. only chances to check the vehicle is to take it/issue it for commuting, shopping etc. No one trader can afford having extra STIG only to test drive whole day a car just to check if is all ok and ready to go and make customer happy. They do not relise that 8 for 10 cars have issues which in most cases were reason for sell to trade. Customers paying they also hard earn money for what they can afford and what they reciving? Who knows. I wonder I do. You do probably as well :) Some can understand that they are USED/SH. Some expecting Tip-Top Showroom condition for 500quid. The law never gave as a posibility to use stock vehicles FULLY legal for "private(good joke)" use, but current changes made it more difficult. ...

Reply Posted by Dee on Thursday October 23 2014 at 19:39
If a trader has to register a vehicle in their name to use on the road then the traders section on the V5 is pointless. I am all for scrapping the tax disc, in this day and age it is pointless when all the details can be checked from the vehicles registration. What i dislike is that vehicle tax is non transferable. That seems like nothing but a money making scheme. Clearly - they dont care about the motorist

Reply Posted by Motoruk on Thursday October 30 2014 at 05:44
traders section is used to remove registered owner from responsibility for taxing/offences and automatic SORN for trader to keep the car on yard (offroad) for sale and do not produce extra owner. Pointles for 99 in 100 cars, but.... what can we do?

Reply Posted by jules on Friday October 31 2014 at 18:29
For all of you saying it is not a scam you are all idiots ! I am a new keeper and found out today that I could not pay in instalments as advertised and was also not allowed to tax my vehicle from 1st November thus losing a month ! The person in the post office even agreed with me ! You are all extremely nieve !

Reply Posted by dvla on Friday October 31 2014 at 18:54
this is not a scam, and want does nieve mean you doek.

Reply Posted by jules on Friday October 31 2014 at 19:00
And secondly this is why the robbing government pricks think it is ok to carry on taking the **** because of idiots saying the new system is ok and that they are just doing it to save money on paper..... Super dumb and nieve !

Reply Posted by dvla on Friday October 31 2014 at 20:02
this scheme is brilliant, stops all these dodgy road side dealers, and also I get free tax so happy days, niave you thick c@nt

Reply Posted by Dean on Saturday November 1 2014 at 11:11
If I buy a disabled car can I tax it if I'm not disabled? Probably a silly question but I got told I can't :-/

Reply Posted by harry on Saturday November 1 2014 at 11:51
what is a disabled car ?

Reply Posted by Barry on Sunday November 2 2014 at 10:54
I've several old cars, does this mean I can simply tax them for 1mth at a time? Rather than 6mths, as they are only ever on the road for 2-3mths of the year?

Reply Posted by asa on Thursday November 13 2014 at 13:03
No tax disc on windscreen of car that has just hit me. How do I know he has tax & Insurrance.

Reply Posted by Yogesh on Wednesday December 3 2014 at 23:58
Its great having different options of payments, but they shouldn't be charging interest for people who pay monthly, as they don't charge extra for 6/12 months. The person paying monthly gets penalised as they can't afford the the upfront price of 6/12 months.
I thought this system was to make it affordable!!

Reply Posted by CRIS on Wednesday April 15 2015 at 12:00
I think on ballance revenues will be the same. Loads of people don't bother to claim back their unused tax, which is now automatic. They will benefit from the rare occasions when buyer and seller both pay for the month when the sale took place, but if I buy a car in the middle of the month, I am going to take a chance. What i really important though, is if your a trader, don't tax using sellers details s you won't get the refund and you can't transfer to your new buyer. This happenned to me it's horrible.

Reply Posted by kenny on Friday May 1 2015 at 19:58
I want to buy a second hand car 50 miles from where I live and although I can prior insure it, when I actually buy the car I can't drive the car home due to the new road tax laws. Wouldn't be good if you could phone or go on line to DVLA and give them the reg of the car and your name and address and temporary insure it for a day to get the car home legally?! Then it would make the new tax laws sensible and less complicated.

Reply Posted by Clare on Wednesday December 30 2015 at 22:47
Government should make it that you can tax from that date and not lose the whole month than!! Money justifies the means.

Reply Posted by Gavin Taylor on Tuesday April 26 2016 at 11:57
I used my bank to tax a car for 6 months now sold it and dvla as took a 6 months payment of tax out of bank can they do this as I am no longer the I wet of the car