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Barnsley MP Calls For Apology

Thursday January 16 2014


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A BARNSLEY MP has called for ministers to apologise to ex-miners after cabinet papers from 1984 revealed that Margaret Thatcher’s government did have a hit list of pits for closure.

Michael Dugher, the MP for Barnsley East, calls it 'one of the most shameful moments in our nation's history'.

Newly released documents reveal that Margaret Thatcher’s government had a plan to shut 75 mines over three years - despite denials from the then government and National Coal Board.

The cabinet papers also show that Margaret Thatcher was willing to go as far as declaring a state of emergency and bring in the army in order to gain victory over the miners and the unions.

Mr Dugher believes that coalfield areas are still suffering today because of the legacy of the pit closure programme.

He said: "These newly released papers reveal the true scale of the previous Conservative government's dishonesty in maintaining that this was simply an industrial dispute based on economics.

"We know now what we knew at the time that this was all about the worst kind of politics, about divide and rule, and an attempt to break the coalfield communities.

"It's clear that people like Margaret Thatcher and John Redwood did regard the miners as the 'enemy within' and were prepared to use the police and potentially the army to escalate the conflict.

"The objective was the destruction of an entire industry and the proud mining communities that sustained it.

"This resulted in mass unemployment and huge social problems that blighted those parts of the country for years to come.

"We're still living with that legacy today - including the perverse situation where we're forced to import coal into the UK.

"Rather than shedding tears for Margaret Thatcher, Conservative ministers today should apologise to former miners and their families for the dishonesty of the previous Conservative government.

"What they did to our coalfield communities was one of the most shameful moments in our nation's history."

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Reply Posted by Told ya so on Thursday January 16 2014 at 13:25
We have been saying that years but got told we was just imagine it all

Reply Posted by me on Thursday January 16 2014 at 14:00
so they should my dad worked down pit all his workin life.i was at school at the time at went passed cortonwood ever day and saw all the miners.it was a sad time .

Reply Posted by bananas on Thursday January 16 2014 at 14:12
2 little 2 late. dugher and his pal should be a apologising 4 milking the working man.

Reply Posted by Horatio on Thursday January 16 2014 at 14:32
Of course the government could have subsidised all those uneconomical and over staffed pits by putting up taxes to pay for it. All those wining about pit and steelworks closures should look back at the disastrous economy the labour government created pre Thatcher. Anyone remember 25% vat 33% income tax and 17% interest on mortgages?

Reply Posted by AlanB on Thursday January 16 2014 at 18:48
Yes and income tax at 98% for big earners.

Reply Posted by ray on Thursday January 16 2014 at 15:52
Not that the misconception that the tories have always been sound economically (they haven't and they aren't now.) has anything to do with this.

It just goes to prove how Thatcher truly despised the coal communities of the north. The ones that had helped drive the industrial revolution and british empire.
No ordinary coal worker was living in a mansion or after anything more than a decent wage to look after their family. Thatcher didn't want that.

Labour increased VAT to 25% and then reduced it to 12.5% the tories have been responsible for every rise since, how blinkered you must be to think that the 80s were all rosie under thatherism, £3million unemployed, the woman that encouraged greed, helped privatise services that now cripple the average person and founded the culture that mps snatch up profitable public services for pennies in order to drive the services into the ground in order to profit themselves. Royal Mail being the most recent - NHS and care services are being carved up and now Gove has started on Education - free schools? The stupidity of some people that are running this country is astounding - and worrying.

It seems crazy to subsidise something in tough economic times though doesn't it. The fact every man woman and child inherited £14,500 debt per person (depending on who you listen to) is evidence of the double standards inherent in society. The bankers ruined the country and we wiped the slate clean without as much as a slap on the hand. Where were the riot police and army when the city was out bankrupting the country and decimating a generations chances of a decent life?

Thatcherism and the tory elite make me sick.

Reply Posted by Collet on Thursday January 16 2014 at 18:44
Ray agree with nearly every thing you say,but don't forget Labour closed more than there fare share of Pits in the late 50s early 60s,for economy reasons ,and those miners were found jobs darn here,but as far as bankers are concerned top men am talking abart ad shooit the gready baskits misen,we have bin sold darn the river wi all parties for years M Ps Councilors en even Union men ev only bi bothered abart feathering there own nests,told sayin F U Jack I'm Ok rings a bell, en a can't see owt changing .

Reply Posted by AHR on Thursday January 16 2014 at 20:23
Yes Collet and Roy Mason was the minister for power at that time if I remember correctly.

Reply Posted by AlanB on Thursday January 16 2014 at 18:49
More pits were closed under Labour governments than under the Conservatives. Fact.

Reply Posted by Barry Shaw on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:00
Country is in a worser state under Conservatives than under Labour FACT

Reply Posted by AlanB on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:06
Sorry, but that's not true. The Conservatives and their Liberal colleagues are attempting to reduce the deficit and debt left behind by the last irresponsible Labour government. Now that is a fact!

Reply Posted by Everyone laugh at Barry on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:08
Barry, take your labour red spectacles off you fool.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:13
AlanB, keep reading the Sun old bean...

FACT ID THE TORIES HAVE BORROWED MORE MONEY IN THREE YEARS THAN LABOUR DID IN 13 YEARS.
THE "DEFICIT" WILL BE 1.9 TRILLION POUNDS JUST BEFORE THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION.
THE TORIES SAY THEY ARE CUTTING THE DEFICIT WHEN IT IS EVIDENTLY CLEAR THAT THEY CANNOT DO IT WHILST BORROWING BILLIONS OF POUNDS.

THE AUSTERITY MEASURES AR A MERE "SMOKE AND MIRRORS" EXCERCISE.

WAKE UP YOU FOOL!

Reply Posted by AlanB on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:43
Please do not come on here and insult my intelligence. You have an unfortunate style to your writing and it is not amusing. You are clearly uneducated and it is pointless discussing matters with you. You claim to know everything that there is to know about everything. I wonder who the real fool is.

Reply Posted by anon on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:49
Tutut Alan B. That lost was rubbish. You might not agree with Steveo, but uneducated fool??? I despair.

Reply Posted by Barry shaw on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:51
AlanB - The fact is , If you don't like other people having opinion about your Tory Party. Then I suggest you take your silver spoon and shove it where the sun doesn't shine FACT

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 17 2014 at 20:44
AlanB, yes you are indeed correct, I AM uneducated, this I cannot deny and it is well known the to the "regular" people that visit this forum that I am indeed uneducated.

Tell me, who are you again?

Reply Posted by AlanB on Friday January 17 2014 at 22:55
Well, it is clear from your previous postings that you are uneducated and now your most recent post (above) confirms it. Thank you for that, I was right all along. Please do not trouble yourself to reply as this would only further confirm your lack of a decent education.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Saturday January 18 2014 at 12:31
HAHAHA, yes I am uneducated, but alas so are you if you seriously think that the Tories are "trying" to cut the deficit with the austerity measures.

Some people don't like that fact that the Tories have borrowed more money in three years than Labour did in 13 years, which after there tortuous tenure in power and their idiotic borrowing will see the deficit actually GROW to £1.9 TRILLION POUNDS.

Yup they really ARE slashing the deficit aren't they?

OOps nearly forgot, the £1.9 TRILLION now equates to £47,000 for every man woman and child living in the UK.

The kids born today can kiss any aspirations of a state pension by the time they retire due to Tory buffoonery and ineptitude despite the right wing media telling us that they (Tories) are cutting the deficit...

you keep reading your right wing rags old pal.

Reply Posted by Dawn on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:13
Really Baz? Do you remember what a mess this country was in before Thatcher and the Tories took over?




Reply Posted by Barry Shaw on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:22
Really Dawn? Thatcher you the country into the Ground..SORRY FACT. pits and steelworks all gone. More immigration. sold all the council houses without rebuilding any new homes..FOOD BANKS ZERO HR CONTRACTS,, CONSERVATIVES GOOD FOR THE RICH.

Reply Posted by Barry Shaw on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:28
Dawn - run the country into the ground, Borrowed more money than labour in the first 3 YEARS than Labour did in 13 YRS FACT,,

Reply Posted by Ken on Thursday January 16 2014 at 19:16
Keep reading the Huffington Post Steveo.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 17 2014 at 20:46
HOW do you know I read the huff Ken?

I also read the diary of a benefit scrounger blog, you really should read it.

Reply Posted by Dawn on Thursday January 16 2014 at 20:01
Get your fact right Baz, you're looking rather silly. The country was on it's knees when Labour were in power,the dead weren't even getting buried.Immigration you say? Your beloved Labour party and Tony Blair opened the flood gates for immigrants, did you not know?

Reply Posted by Barry Shaw on Thursday January 16 2014 at 20:04
Yes I did know Labour started with the immigration and now the Tories are following it on with even more entering the country, FACT.

Reply Posted by Barry Shaw on Thursday January 16 2014 at 20:12
I also know Labour set up the minimum wage in 1999 Which the Conservatives were strongly against. But GUESS WHAT because there know there are strongly in decline and will stoop to any level to try and get votes..Conseratives want to up the min wage to £7 a hour WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER BULLSH@T

Reply Posted by Ray on Friday January 17 2014 at 09:42
Dawn, The mines were not shut down on Economic policy, they were shut down to destroy the "enemy within" Thatchers words.

However the reason do not produce anything today in manufacturing anything is down to her economic policies.

Had Argentina not invaded the falklands she would have been out a term earlier.

Thatcher who for some reason has been raised up onto some sort of pedestal was a deplorable woman. As well as the falklands and the miners strike she also gladly allowed the police cover up of hilsborough to be swept under the carpet. It was fitting that she was stabbed in the back by her own party by the end.

If there is a hell there's more than a good chance she will be in it.

I wouldn't call Tony Blair Labour either he was a labourite.

Reply Posted by len on Friday January 17 2014 at 14:55
Labour shut more pits down the the tory party. Whats your stance on that ray?Scargill only started the strike when they shut Cortonwood down. Funny that, was it because it was on his doorstep?

Thatcher destroyed the minining industry? It was well in decline under Labour!

I don't see many tears shed over the closure of those pits.

Reply Posted by king louis on Thursday January 16 2014 at 22:07
Margaret Thatcher I have always worshiped the ground....that she ought to be under.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Friday January 17 2014 at 10:54
the iron lady hey,not so tough as she wanted us to believe,didn't have the balls to be up front about what her intentions were,and any idiot who believes a single word that comes out of a tories mouth must have marshmallows for brains,their liars and care only about themselves and their little rich friends

Reply Posted by Fred on Friday January 17 2014 at 14:40
So you were one of the poor souls who believed that crook Scargill then xxxx?

Reply Posted by xxxx on Friday January 17 2014 at 15:59
scargill was right though fred he warned people what she was up to and people like you wouldn't listen,just a shame shes not here to face up to the thousends of peoples lives she ruined,and if you think scargill was a crook fred what does that make her and the ass lickers who followed her

Reply Posted by Fred on Friday January 17 2014 at 18:05
The pits were losing money to the tune of 727 million per year. How can you justify the taxpayer subsidising something that was losing money right left and centre.I have total sympathy with the miners, but Scargill was a real crook, he couldn't give a toss. While the miners and their famliys were struggling, he and the union men were living the good life.

He isn't doing too bad for himself now is he?

Reply Posted by Brian on Friday January 17 2014 at 18:14
The majority of the pits were closed on the basis that it was uneconomic to mine and produce the coal. Our coal was costing something like £60 per ton to produce, when it could be bought from eastern Europe, including shipping, for half that price.

Scargill was in it for his own personal ends and the miners were used as a tool to further those ends. Thankfully, Scargill was defeated, although I believe he went on to become a very rich man. Sadly, the miners lost their jobs a lot sooner than they otherwise would have done, as a direct result of poor, misguided leadership.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday January 17 2014 at 20:49
Coal was already being imported from (would you believe) Poland in the early 80's, not a lot of people know that ( and no I'm not Michael Caine) ;)

Reply Posted by Cathy on Friday January 17 2014 at 23:04
Politicians telling lies...............whatever next!

Reply Posted by Richard on Friday January 17 2014 at 23:29
I am a schizophrenic.

Reply Posted by AlanB on Friday January 17 2014 at 23:31
I am a schizophrenic.

Reply Posted by AlanT on Saturday January 18 2014 at 10:25
Time for the Tories to revisit this time in Britain and to get rid of the Thatcher myth and show her for what she was and how she destroyed what was a world leading country

Reply Posted by len on Saturday January 18 2014 at 10:45
Really? We where labelled the "Sick man of europe" before she came to power.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Saturday January 18 2014 at 11:23
i dread to think what we are labelled now then len, brainwashed saddo's who are too thick to see whats happening under our own noses springs to mind,surely wether the pits were failing or not is not the point,the point is she lied and was prepared to go to any lengths to crush the mining industries,and even worse was the fact she got some sort of sick pleasure out of doing it,and regardless of your opinion of scargill it doesn't alter the fact that what he was saying was right

Reply Posted by len on Saturday January 18 2014 at 20:22
Of course its the point xxxx. For the last 30 years the people of Barnsley have blamed Thatcher and the tories for killing of the mining industry. This is not true. She inherited a decaying industry, she even tried to revive it, yes revive it, but it was doomed from the start of her becoming Prime Minister.

Wilson, the former Labour Prime Minister, closed three times as many pits as Thatcher, yet, strangely I don't hear any blame pointed at them.

You think the country is in a bad state now? Four words -The winter of discontent.

Reply Posted by T Fletcher on Saturday January 18 2014 at 16:44
No one should be surprised that a Prime Minister as lied through their back teeth .
Lying is part and parcel of being a politician; especially in the UK.

Reply Posted by AlanB on Saturday January 18 2014 at 22:34
Clearly many of the posters on here are too young to remember what life was like pre-Thatcher. I can tell you without any hesitation, it was much, much worse than what it is today.

Reply Posted by Des on Sunday January 19 2014 at 10:23
Three words - The enemy within.

Reply Posted by AlanB on Sunday January 19 2014 at 12:52
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but calling never hurt me!

Reply Posted by @Des on Sunday January 19 2014 at 12:18
Hmmmm, not as bad as *The winter of discontent* though Des eh?

Just seeing those pictures of rubbish piled up in the streets, blackouts, etc, etc and being known as the srtike capitol of Europe sends shivers down my spine.

Get yer sen darn t working mens club this aft cock.


Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday January 19 2014 at 14:35
I vaguely remember the strike i was only about 5 at the time but my other half rememebers it well as he was chased down the street by the police, remembers the curfews and not being able to drive out of town without getting searched as they thought he and his friends were miners out to cause trouble. What we do remember is the mighty all seeing all dancing god Scargill buying himself a new house,new car,sitting in his new house with cooked meals whilst his servants were starving. It has come to light recently he even tried to buy his council flat in london but was refused as it wasnt his main residence this man didnt have to call the strike he didnt have to ruin lives but he did and until people stop wiping his backside for him nothing in Barnsley can change. They were both as bad as each other,it wasnt about getting back at the northerners it was a game between the two of them and the miners were pawns stuck in the middle.

Reply Posted by carl on Sunday January 19 2014 at 16:34
what makes it worse is arthur scargill was repersenting the miners and he knew damn well how they were struggling but he didn't batter an eyelid while he and the unions were living the lifes of a millionaire. it also turns out scargill is also a hypocrite wanting to buy his council flat under thatchers right to buy scheme.

tut, tut.

its about time barnsley woke up.

Reply Posted by Moira on Sunday January 19 2014 at 16:47
Won't be long till he's agreeing with his own posts.

Reply Posted by Moira on Sunday January 19 2014 at 17:36
It won't be long before the name calling starts because Labour Barnsley can't handle the truth.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Sunday January 19 2014 at 17:14
i'll tell you exactly what i remember alan. twice in my adult life have i gone cold and hungry and both times have been under a conservative government and yes i was working,the only thing that woman wanted to revive was her popularity umongst her little lap dogs

Reply Posted by LOL on Sunday January 19 2014 at 17:18
211 MINES CLOSED UNDER WILSON : 1965-70

154 MINES CLOSED UNDER THATCHER: 1979-90

LABOUR MANAGED TO CLOSE MORE MINES IN 5 YEARS THAN THATCHER DID IN 11.

WIPE THAT EGG OFF YOUR FACE!

Reply Posted by @Richard on Sunday January 19 2014 at 17:46
Why don't you just post in your own name Richard? Is it because no one would take you seriously as you weren't even born when this was going off? Sad little tory boy.

Reply Posted by Not Richard on Sunday January 19 2014 at 18:15
It's not that they wouldn't take him seriously, they just don't like to hear the truth. A bit like yourself.

If you were having a hard time through the strike blame Scargill.

@xxxx - Thatcher did try and revive the mining industry, but it was doomed from the off. Sorry to hear about your misfortune aswell .Maybe it was just coincidence you have been "cold and hungry under a tory goverment".Now if you had said the whole country was going cold and hungry like most did under Labour in the late 70's then I would have understood.

Reply Posted by @Richard on Sunday January 19 2014 at 18:32
You're hardly a master of disguise Dicky. Undercover elephant anyone?

Reply Posted by Moira on Sunday January 19 2014 at 18:44
Just like clockwork. Here comes the name calling. Congrats kid, you're so predictable.

You remind me of .......

Oh wait.

Reply Posted by kim on Sunday January 19 2014 at 19:31
Kilkenny above aka moira@ Big giveaway Oh wait I can smell the London bullshit..

Reply Posted by Kfc on Sunday January 19 2014 at 18:34
The miners strike was never a good thing but what it did gave was solidarity for 75 Years of working class standing together as one and particular as trade unions.

I myself never worked in the pits bit my friends did.. What tou saw was true working class not so much in what they owed but more of what they could share.

Only a few months before Thatcher died her own local town of Grantham where's she was born never wanted a statue of the witch, because intoday's society Tourists coming to the area might effect the towns economy.

Thatcher may have died and her intentions to the mining industry have been made clear.what I can say is sure if the trade union is not for you than who the hell is giong to. Support you in. Your working conditions,

Finally 30 years after Scargill and Thatcher in Modern Britain 8% of working people Using PAY DAY loan companies to pay there mortgages.

THATCHER Scargill or trade unions.





Reply Posted by Kfc2 on Sunday January 19 2014 at 18:41
Would you still want the militant unions of the late 70s kfc? You know, the same unions that were holding this country to ransome and bringing it down on to its knees.

Reply Posted by Kfc on Sunday January 19 2014 at 18:55
@kfc2 it's not always about where we was at the time of which i agree with you.

It's about how far we have gone backwards to support our basic working rights don't you agree Kfc2 ?.......

Reply Posted by .... on Sunday January 19 2014 at 18:48
Obviously, just like it's obviously you Dicky

Reply Posted by Kfc on Sunday January 19 2014 at 18:52
No not @kfc2 all but what I would ask you s simply this question. You are a hard working person or family today.

Which political party do you think is clear on looking after the hard working class person. Who could find themselves made short term unemployed.

Or in the extreme in 13 months of being long term unemployed or a he most 13 months long term sickness.

My question my answer is clear.

None please read into people working full time and finding themselves Sickness Contribution based employment support allowence.

Have you your husband and wife or partner paid into the systems all your life to find this is all your can claim 12 months sick pay.

Reply Posted by Linda on Sunday January 19 2014 at 19:36
F@cking Thatcher -- All you Tory bent b@stards...So you agree with the big cover up at HILLSBOROUGH.. ALL DOWN TO YOUR TRULY YES THATCHER..

Reply Posted by Ken on Sunday January 19 2014 at 19:46
Here here@ Slumdogs Thatcherists. Sould have buried down pit shaft alive..

Reply Posted by Nottie on Sunday January 19 2014 at 19:59
Horrible man. I bet you were one of the striking miners that droped a concrete slab on tha taxi driver taking workers to the pit during the strike, and being violent to miners wanting to work. Caring communities my arse!

Reply Posted by Ken on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:00
Nottie thanks for that Horrible man. No Thatcher was a SCUM lady!

Reply Posted by Fred on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:13
She also crushed Scargill and his cronies Ken. Now jog on, your pint is waiting.

Reply Posted by Chill pill on Sunday January 19 2014 at 19:39
Time of the month dear?


Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday January 19 2014 at 19:41
30 years After Thatcher and Scargill people are using pay day loans, key word After. Thatcher hasnt been in power for over 20 years how can it be her fault people are using payday loans now. The comment above asks Thatcher Scargill or Trade unions,well as trade unions are alive and kicking and people are turning to payday loans to survive and they didnt 30 years ago,the answer is simple.

Reply Posted by Kfc on Sunday January 19 2014 at 19:58
@sarah 30 years ago in the working class of thatcher & Scargill was a Tory party working in the back ground to crush the working class.

The working class had become more powerful and in return had become more supportive to the trade unions.

So the Thatcher Decided to come back with the Right To Buy.

Bull shit and the rest came from there,


I'm working class I'm alright jack up yours.

And the rest is history you Sarah and your generation was born. I'm alright up my next door neighbour.




Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday January 19 2014 at 20:26
It hasnt done anyone any good though has it being a trade union slave. 2 reasons i dont agree with trade unions 1 my partner was done out of 6 grand by a dodgy union man when he had a claim in against a former employer not knowing enough about them he did as he was told we later found out said union man claimed the nearly 6 grand for himself. Also the scargill fiasco,i may only be 36 but i know wrong from right and how he treated people wasnt right, he and his wife were living in luxury at the expense of all our families and that was not right, hes still taking money from people now wanting big flats new cars every year he has no right. I have been brought up to make my own decisions not to follow everyone else, no one should be called names because they have a mind of their own and have different opinions,barnsley is a very boring place when it comes to issues like this because no one has or dares have a different opinion to anyone else.

Reply Posted by ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ on Sunday January 19 2014 at 20:32
Naive much?

Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday January 19 2014 at 20:36
If you are referring to me i prefer the english language!

Reply Posted by Becky on Sunday January 19 2014 at 20:57
sarah You prefer the English language .. Hows about f@ck off is that English enough?

Reply Posted by Fred on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:19
I think she talks sence, nice one Sarah

It makes a change from all the weak individuals who have to revert to name calling when the don't like something they read or hear.

Barnsley a laughing stock- Please see ken & Beckys posts.

Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:37
Thank you Fred much appreciated.

Reply Posted by Fred on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:12
And there we have Barnsley in it's true light.

Becky, you're a disgrace.

Reply Posted by .... on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:29
What name calling like you do on almost every post Dicky. Weak is what I'd call you.

Reply Posted by anon on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:36
If never seen Richard name calling! Just saying!

Reply Posted by Fred on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:37
Oh, you're back. How is Richard? He hasn't posted in a while.

Another one for ya. If another person other than Richard posts anything against the Labour party the you must be him under a different name.

What do you think about a Labour prime minister shutting down more pits than the Tories ....? No one has commented on it yet. Shock horror!

Reply Posted by AlanB on Sunday January 19 2014 at 22:39
I have and it's true.

Reply Posted by Hildafffff on Sunday January 19 2014 at 22:48
Yes AlanB it is true the Benefit scrounger blog is portraying you...FACT

Reply Posted by AlanB on Sunday January 19 2014 at 23:08
Pardon. I didn't quite catch that.

Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday January 19 2014 at 21:50
thats because no one will admit it happened Fred and btw im not Richard I do miss him though, weve had some good banter in the past on several issues he talks more sense sometimes than anyone.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Sunday January 19 2014 at 22:38
all the yes buts, and he's to blame shes to blame still don't alter the fact that she was a liar,and scargill was right. people can argue till the cows come home it doesn;t alter the facts

Reply Posted by Brian on Sunday January 19 2014 at 22:44
Let's be fair, the miners acted like sheep in following Scargill Why was it that they could not see that he had his own political agenda?

Reply Posted by .... on Sunday January 19 2014 at 22:54
Why don't you give up with your bullshit Richard anyone can see it's you. Does this pass for entertainment in your house?