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Tough Fines Should Be Imposed On People Buying Cigs For Underaged

Monday December 23 2013


Dan Jarvis MP Dan Jarvis MP


PEOPLE who buy cigarettes for underage people should be fined up to £5,000, according to MP Dan Jarvis.

The Barnsley Central MP has called on the government to introduce tough fines, saying it was reasonable and would be the same as the penalty for supplying children with alcohol.

He added: "I've campaigned long and hard for the introduction of standardised cigarette packaging.

"I've always accepted this was only part of the solution, but in order to stop young people from smoking the government also needs to be focusing effort on preventing adults from buying them for kids.

"In Barnsley, 951 children aged 11 to 15 take up smoking each year. There are 485 adult deaths from smoking each year in the town."

What do you think to this? Have your say below.

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Reply Posted by Richard on Monday December 23 2013 at 15:51
I wonder how many of the 485 deaths were in people over 75 that were the same people dying due to having no heating?

If 951 children are taking up smoking then surely that's down to educating the parents?

Is Dan also suggesting the parents get a £5000 fine, as it's likely they are the ones buying them in the first place?!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday December 23 2013 at 16:18
You forgot to mention the Labour mp's that didn't vote for the bedroom tax.

Reply Posted by kfc on Monday December 23 2013 at 16:20
It's a pity MR Jarvis doesn't answer the question as quick. "Is he going to accept the 11% pay ???????

Only 46 MPs to date have advised there intention.

just Happens no MPs from Barnsley have stated what there intentions are.


Remember we are all in this together.

Reply Posted by Louise on Monday December 23 2013 at 17:04
My 3 kids all smoke and either I buy them or they steal them from me. I don't want them to but when I smoke I can't exactly stop them. I'm just glad they don't lie to me. I tell them they'll regret it. If I didn't let them have them they just create.

Reply Posted by lolli on Monday December 23 2013 at 17:13
You need to ask yourself..who his the adult in the family..

Reply Posted by Jane on Monday December 23 2013 at 17:37
Thinks smoking is a horrible and filthy habit and agree that the penalty should be the same as giving alcohol to minor. I hate smoking so much that when I was high school I had friends who start smoking as a result of that we stop being friends. So good on ya Mr Jarvis

Reply Posted by Richard on Monday December 23 2013 at 17:54
@ Steveo you're right, I didn't, but you may be interested to know that yet another LABOUR MP DENIS MACSHANE has been jailed for expenses fraud.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 24 2013 at 09:40
Aye I have seen it, been getting away with it for years by the looks of things too.

Tis only the tip of the iceberg too.

Reply Posted by TO RICHARD FROM STEVEO on Tuesday December 24 2013 at 09:58
Oh dear your beloved Nick Clegg AKA The Tory Pony showed his true colours yesterday when he announced he would "block" Tory plans to limit immigration to 75,000 people a year.

(Seems he does have a veto vote after all)

Seeing as though immigration is THE hot topic of the moment it just shows how near sighted and out of touch Clegg really is.

Another nail in the coffin for Clegg and the Lib Dems!

Reply Posted by nic on Monday December 23 2013 at 18:01
No matter what's put in place underage children will always be able to get there hands on cigarettes or alcohol if not from shops from people selling fakes from people's house's .. not all children follow their parent's footsteps either .

Reply Posted by Kfc on Monday December 23 2013 at 19:27
In truth a lot more MPs should have been tried in a court of Law. Instead of just paying back the money they fiddled.

They have all found another way of getting money by the 11% pay rise while honest hard working people are struggling for a basic stand of living.

Guy Fawkes is to blame for all this mess. He's the one person to get into Parliament with good intentions.


Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 24 2013 at 09:44
I agree Kfc, problem is the law is an ass as it allows them to fiddle whatever then gives them the opportunity to pay it back with no extra financial penalty.

If someone fiddles say 10k then they should have to pay that back and be fined 50k too.

Alas, they get to pay the money back they have fiddled, judge gives them 12 months porridge and after a few weeks they get transferred to an open nick, THEN serve WELL LESS than half their sentence.

The law is truly an ass!

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 24 2013 at 11:20
Well we can't exactly undo what's already been done!

75,000 isn't really that many (nationally) compared to the millions Labour already let in! How many will land in Barnsley?

Think we'd hardly notice a few extra with all the immigrants already here from Labour's mistake(s).

Careful Steveo, you'll be voting Tory soon! Lol

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 24 2013 at 12:05
Nah, cant ever ever ever see that happening.

Cameron tried (albeit half arsed) to stem the impending tide of Bulgarians and Romanians by putting a block on the immigrants claiming benefits for a whole THREE months, which in my honest opinion is nowhere near enough and should have been at least two years.
What do you think the Romanians and Bulgarians are going to do for a whole three months they cant claim benefits for?

You been down to London and more particularly Park Lane recently?

If you haven't visited our wonderful / Horrible capital city (delete which ever you think applicable) recently then next time you are down take a look at the traffic island between Park Lane and Hyde Park there you will find the "Romanian / Roma tent city" home to several thousand Romanian /Roma beggars.

Their numbers are only ever going to get bigger if their fellow countrymen (and women) cant get benefits for three months aren't they?

The Tories "pretend" to be right wing with their anti-immigration policies, but they aren't right wing enough in my opinion.
Camoron has failed to show his mettle and stand up against the EU AGAIN.

His half arsed measures are simply not going to work and whilst ever he fiddles whilst rome burns on immigration it will only throw more voters into the arms of UKIP.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 24 2013 at 12:56
Labour let them in, Tories then need to be seen to stem the problem, whereby they will be criticised no matter what......ok so we all vote UKIP, then what? We solve one problem to create a bigger one?!

We are signed up to Europe to give European people (including us) the freedom to move, live and work anywhere in the EU. If we exit Europe then what will happen to our economy? It certainly won't improve, then we will have something to really moan about! Food banks will be the least of our problems.

All people seem to want to do is complain, and it seems most complaining are bigoted racists (even if they choose not to admit it).

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 24 2013 at 13:25
I AGREE Labour let em in, their fuckwittery knows no bounds.

They were that hellbent on being seen as "the Politically Correct" party they signed over a shedload of our laws and that is why we find ourselves with an estimated 4- 6 million extra people in our country.

Do you seriously believe that immigration is good for our economy?
May be good for the immigrants themselves that earn a lot more than they could in their own respective countries and their families back home directly benefit from the BILLIONS of UK POUNDS that are sent back to their families in their home countries, taking erm, BILLIONS OUT OF OUR ECONOMY.

The only winners on immigration are the immigrants themselves, their families back home and the unscrupulous employers and employment agencies that actively employ immigrants as they are cheaper than people born in this country and will work all day long for mere pennies.
A lot more pennies than they could ever wish to earn back in their own countries.

Again I refer you to the 51% and 92% of Eastern European financial migrants that are employed at Asos and Symphony.

Tell me how can this be good for the people who are desperate to find a job in our town when the agencies only solely send eastern European labour?

As for exiting Europe, even I am not that naïve to think that if the inevitable happened then our country and economy would not collapse.
It most certainly would, but not a lot of people realise that a large majority of our goods are sold to other European countries.
Make no bones about it if we did exit Europe then our country would be Bankrupt!

UKIP. Again I refer you to the answer I gave on a previous post, I would NOT vote for them if they were the only party.
Again, take a look at their policies, it is most certainly not good reading.

Their only credible policy is the one on immigration and at best it could be deemed even more right wing than the genocidal Nazi policy!

Problem is anyone that mentions that they don't want any more immigrants coming into our country then they are deemed racist which is complete and utter bollocks.
Again, the large majority of the Eastern Europeans are of white European origin and they are exactly the same as us, the only difference is they speak a different language.

However, a large proportion of the impending Romanians that are due to come ARE different as they are Roma of Indian / Pakistani and middle eastern origin.

You should know this by the way as your beloved right wing papers tell us this on an almost daily basis.

If you wish to pigeon hole me a racist for "daring" to speak out on immigration then so be it, everyone is entitled to their opinion as we have the right to free speech in this country.
(The Tories keep trying to erode our right to free speech with numerous legislative measures but they will never manage to eradicate free speech totally)

Again I am entitled to my opinion and my words are exactly the same words thatmillions of people are saying up and down this country.

Reply Posted by Dean lynch on Saturday December 28 2013 at 11:58
I'm proud to vote UKIp. Proud I've switched from the Labour Party to them . The Labour Party isn't the party of the working class anymore. It's the party of appeasers . They appease anything and everything to win votes. They ( Blair Mandelson brown) gorged themselves on riches whilst in office and all of them are multi millionaires! They brought this country to a virtual standstill through debt , unchallenged immigration and whenever people objected they were labelled bigots or racists! The hottest topic on people's vote paper will be immigration and the EU. The country is in an appalling state! Needs sorting out ! Cut out the cancer and the cure is there! They are shitting themselves at us because we are fast and furiously overtaking them ! In bother Labour and Tory strongholds! I'm not voting for donkeys anymore in Barnsley I'm voting for UKIp. I'm proud to be British!! Amen to that!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday December 30 2013 at 11:47
And you seriously think that UKIP give a monkeys about the average working man?

Have a look at UKIP policy before you cast your vote, they are EXACTLY the same as Tory policy the only difference is the policy on immigration and as for withdrawing from the EU, do you not think this will not have a detrimental effect on our economy as nearly 46% of the trade we do is with the EU?

You are a clearly deluded individual if you think that voting for UKIP is going to be beneficial for our country.

Reply Posted by ukip my arse on Monday December 30 2013 at 11:52
UKIP has announced it wants to let refugees from Syria into England..You vote them Dean Lynch if you are proud to be british,.we want less immigration not more..

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday December 30 2013 at 12:12
Rather quixotic don't you think?

UKIP being the anti-immigration party that hates all immigrants but yet wants to let between 4-600 Syrian immigrant refugees in?

Reeks of double standards doesn't it?


Reply Posted by rainbow on Thursday January 2 2014 at 08:57
All the main parties have let the British people down and UKIP are only playing on the fears created by Labour's open door policy on immigration that also gave rise to the BNP. What this country needs is a revolution in politics and the introduction of a democratic peoples party. But we all know that it wont happen, it seems that it's only in wars that the British public pull together. ???