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Barnsley MP Slams Government's College Funding Cut

Tuesday December 17 2013


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MP DAN Jarvis has slammed the government for slashing Barnsley College's budget by £500,000.

Jarvis, MP for Barnsley Central, has attacked the government for its surprise announcement of cuts to further education funding, which will have a direct impact on Barnsley College.

Last week the Department for Education announced a 17.5 per cent cut to the funding for 18-year-olds in full-time education.

Jarvis said: "The government is unleashing cuts which will directly affect the education of 150,000 18-year-olds.

"In Barnsley this means a staggering £500,000 cut in the budget for Barnsley College.

"Despite the UK suffering from a skills shortage in the global marketplace, David Cameron’s government are targeting the cuts at those studying for vocational qualifications.

"This is unbelievably short-sighted and will damage the prospects of a generation.

"This announcement has come totally out of the blue. There has been no consultation and no chance to discuss the potential impact on students."

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Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 16:04
Maybe he should look closer at what Barnsley Council have just signed the tax payer up for! £600,000 as guarantor for TRAFFIC LIGHTS, that they only HOPE will be monitored by Highways Agency. Incompetent fool! Surely that same money could have been used to perhaps assist education, or even fix a few potholes! Silly people.

Reply Posted by Freddie on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 16:52
Ignorance must be bliss Richard! Both these decisions are Government decisions. The Highways agency are responsible entirely for the M1 traffic control & approval by BMBC planning was simply a formality. Funding for the.project is also entirely the responsibility of the Highways Agency and therefore cannot be used by anyone else for anything else.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 17:07
@ Freddie, I beg to differ. BMBC have announced they are acting as guarantor for £600,000 part of the £2m cost for the project. Whose decision was that if not BMBC?

Reply Posted by king louis on Saturday December 21 2013 at 07:54
pacify me please..how expensive are traffic lights? £2,000,000.00 seems a bit much, whats the real cost without all the consultant fees that get given away as treats.

Reply Posted by Freddie on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 17:37
This match funding is how our government works. If you want any investment in your town a carrot is offered with a time limit, the council can either accept the funding and seek other grants or lose the £1.2m which is an essential part of their M1 corridor investment plan. What do you recommend the council should do instead? They have to trust the advice of officers that match funding can be accessed or watch as other towns take the investment instead. The system stinks as the anti- European government forces all councils to chase European grant funding for projects which should be entirely taxpayer funded. It's a bit like relying on charities to fund our vital services like hospices, air ambulance etc or volunteers to supplement our army, police, firefighters etc. It's where our country is thanks to this wonderful government of ours.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 17:57
What do I recommend they do? I recommend they refrain from spending £600,000 of tax payers' money frivolously on traffic lights that they themselves have little if not any confidence in providing any form of improvement, not just at junction 37, but also junction 36.

The Labour council has been seen wasting money left right and centre. I and many others have zero faith in this council's ability to manage funds properly and organise a structure that works and benefits the people of Barnsley.

Reply Posted by Dan on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 18:50
Change the record Richard it's Soooo
boring

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 19:01
@ Dan, maybe you're happy watching the town remain so very unappealing for your loved ones to grow up in. I'm not.

Labour MPs and local Labour councillors are trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

You watch, BMBC will do a vacuum and dust around the town just before election time and carpet bomb every household with a campaign about how wonderful they are to coincide with it all. Well lets look at what they are doing now, have done and also plan to do between the last election and the next.

Reply Posted by Pat on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 19:08
Richard@ What do you suggest? A change of Party? interested in your opinion,

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 19:43
@ Pat, is it so ill conceived an idea to have a different local party at the helm of Barnsley Council?

Labour have failed Barnsley for years and years and it is being left behind (even when Labour were in government for 13 years between 1997 - 2010).

Another viable option needs to be considered at least, as all we read about is Labour and its hardened supporters blaming the government in charge for everything. They are not taking responsibility for their own short comings, which are frequent and significant. Everything takes a level of funding (mostly from Council Tax) and they have been found regularly spending money on things that bring absolutely no value to Barnsley. What was it, £30k on a clock that doesn't work, A Rusty Comb then had to consider safety measures as people might try to climb up it! Someone reported £2m on fire engines that are too big for the streets, now £2m on traffic lights that they have no confidence in and something people don't seem to want. They've made ridiculous excuses about not being able to fix the pot holes due to the weather(!) yet other areas seem to cope just fine. That is just a sample.

As for government and local Labour MPs take the Bedroom Tax for example: Labour brought this in during their time in power, they then blamed the current government and harped on about getting it abolished. They then went on to deliberately lose the vote by having no less than 47 Labour MPs failing to vote. They then tried to make the local MP appear to be the people's friend by SHOUTING that he voted against it. Who is he trying to kid? I'm sure he got the memo from Miliband's office telling him that Labour intend to LOSE the vote, so it'll score him a few brownie points with his constituents to say he TRIED and voted against it.

As for the Labour council, what have they done about education in the past 20 years? Barnsley schools are among the worst in the country, the lack of education then spirals into unemployment, as people are so poorly educated that businesses don't want to invest in Barnsley people.

People regularly complain that foreigners are "taking our jobs" yet Labour want to blame the current govt for such high immigration levels, whereas Labour were responsible for the highest levels of immigration in living memory and to add, controls were so poor they can't properly track all the illegals now here, but it does not excuse the fact that Poland are ranked much higher than us in Education stakes, so its little wonder firms are offering jobs to immigrants with a better level of education.

What have Labour actually done to improve things?

The trouble with Barnsley is that so many people are 3rd and 4th generation Labour voters, so no matter how bad they are (they've been brainwashed into believing the other parties are the 'enemy'. They are not. Trouble is, Labour have been in charge of Barnsley council for so long that people are literally afraid of change, whereas they should be kicking Labour's ass for failing everyone and actually looking to another option to actually improve things.

AT least the policies of the current govt have brought down unemployment, put money into education, introduced

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 19:53
...new apprenticeships (1.5m new apprenticeships), encouraged businesses to invest and European businesses to bring extra jobs (including Aldi with 400 new local jobs).

We are no longer in recession and things are improving (of course not everyone can say that or will openly admit it, but it is a fact all the same). Trouble is, Labour Council will continue to mismanage funds, as I don't believe they listen to what people actually want.

How often does a labour councillor actually knock on your door to ask if you have any problems?

There are other councils out there, where this happens several times a year to ensure the people are satisfied with what they are paying their council tax for. They don't just show their faces for contrived charity events or just before election time.

Mark my words.

Reply Posted by Pat on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:04
Some very interesting points Richard. Labour full of lies BUT ain;t all the Party;s the same? and I voted Labour last time.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:12
Pat, I'm not saying other parties are perfect, of course they are not. But when we see time and time again, the council making basic errors, letting us all down on simple issues, wasting money, not listening to the constituents on things the people actually want, taking advantage of their expenses (and more commonly abusing this privilege). Its a shambles. Labour have become so very complacent and practically expect people to vote for them without having to get their hands dirty and prove their worth. Why are we demanding better from the people whose wages we pay? Labour are just not organised enough.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:14
Last sentence should read "Why are we not demanding better from the people whose wages we pay? Labour are just not organised enough."

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:18
Yes Richard,the Tories heard everyone crying out for social supermarkets.

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:22
Or Richard,maybe they heard some on benefits crying out for food,so they opened them special,social,segregating supermarkets?

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:24
What should they do sid? Give everyone a huge Christmas bonus for sitting on their backsides? Free heating for everyone?

Currently its Barnsley's neighbours and other parts of the country holding up Barnsley's end. Barnsley needs to be self sufficient, but it does not happen overnight. Its like everyone expects an immediate fix to problems caused by 13 years of Labour govt.

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:33
No Richard,tis the mp,s that give themselves free heating,whilst sitting on their own fat,well fed backsides. They give the rest segregation and disguise it as a cheap privelige.
I take some of your points but you have to admit,the lot of the MP,s are corrupt thieves no matter which colour tie they wear. The trouble is,you only scragg the red ties.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:38
Sid, its the red ties sitting in Barnsley Council and have sat there comfortably for years and years getting fat and not doing what they are paid to do. Then whenever they feel a pinch, they simply blame the government.

Reply Posted by Harry on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:44
Sid @ Members of the House of Lords claiming £300 for only 20mins sitting on there fat arses..19 days in one month a Member claimed over 5K and only spoke twice.thats taking the pi$$ when people are using food banks and cheap supermarkets in todays world.Money seems to be readily available to the wealthy shirt and tie brigade of the Government..what are us working class people doing wrong...45 hrs aweek and I have barely enough to survive on..

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:44
That's true Richard,but the blues would do the same you know. It just needs you to accept that and then you can rest your mind.
Its human nature I'm afraid that people in power are always hungry for more, we ,I'm afraid would probably join in if we could! Its called feathering your nest. Human nature.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:50
And how exactly would any of us know a different party running Barnsley Council would do the same?? We've not had a different party, so how can we possibly know??

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:52
@Harry, the shirt and tie brigade as you put it has just seen last week yet another Labour MP and former advisor to Tony Blair over exercising his privileges. The problem is rife throughout Labour.

Reply Posted by sarah on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 14:21
I have never had a dearne flowerpot person knock on my door in the 20 yrs ive been here,

Reply Posted by Alan B on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 16:32
It's certainly not 'human nature' sid. There are still some decent people around who are not 'on the make' for themselves.

Reply Posted by sid on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 17:15
Not in politics though Alan B. That's how it looks to be fair.

Reply Posted by Ben on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 20:30
Labour bad blah blah blah
tories good blah blah blah
there will never be a tory council in this town as long as there's a hole in my arse, end of. Get used to it.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday December 19 2013 at 15:53
Not quite right Ben, you seem to have missed out the Lib Dems and the fact that they will never gain any sort of foothold in our town as they are a complete and utter laughing stock.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 20:36
@ Ben, seems their brainwashing has properly worked on you! Keep wearing the blinkers!

Who said anything about Tory? In any case, at the rate Barnsley Council are going, my next door neighbour's cat could do a better job than the ones in charge.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 20:41
@ Pat, if you read Ben's comment here, you will see exactly what I meant in my posts above. Nothing to bring to the table, no comment about the good Labour Council have done for Barnsley (because its so few and far between), just blinkered gibberish and he will most likely vote Labour out of principal, and not because its the right thing to do for the good of the people of Barnsley.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday December 19 2013 at 16:00
Richie poos why not run next time the local elections are on?
You have a lot to say why not let your actions speak louder than words and step up to the plate?

Reply Posted by Ben on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 20:43
Go and find someone else to play with, or better still GET A LIFE.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 20:47
@ Ben, if you don't like my posts, don't read them. One day your blinkers might fall off though....we can live in hope.

Reply Posted by «»«»«»«» on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:21
Interesting?! That will be the day. Same old naive,simplistic ramblings

Reply Posted by mr speaker on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 21:45
the M.P,s are doing a topnotch job 2million unemployed, homelessness,senior citizens freezing, the ethnic cleansing of the capitals poor,Bankers that have stolen millions and not a day in prison. The persicution of the disabled. electric up gas up borrowing up to its highist levels in the history of this nation of ours and a pay rise for the boys in 2015 who evers in power. No wonder THE PEOPLE OF ENGLAND ARE sick "opps must not say sick" of the lot of you

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 22:01
well said mr.speaker!

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 22:01
@ mr speaker, I think you are referring to Labour government there, things are now improving.

Unemployment is lower now than when Labour left office. Thousands of new jobs and apprenticeships into the local area (Aldi 400 jobs etc).

The banking crisis happened during Labour 1997-2010 (and they still got their bonuses)


Reply Posted by frank on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 14:03
Richard@ Take away the ZERO contract hrs and AGENCY workers doing 1 day aweek . You would find unemployment at a record high..Dont let the Tories fool you with make believe figures..

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 14:43
@Frank I'm sure stats can be manipulated to suit any argument, just like the previous government using the argument of unemployed AND claiming benefits to reduce their own figures too.

Smoke and mirrors are used by all, but we cannot deny that we are out of recession, consumers are spending....the money has to come from somewhere, perhaps there are more people with employment to provide the money they are all spending? Or is that a mirage as well? You only have to look around the town and places like Alhambra and Meadowhall to see the crowds of people carrying several bags of shopping to know there is money about. I realise its Christmas, but with no money, there is no shopping!

Reply Posted by Frank on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 14:54
@ Richard Everybody spends at xmas with or without the funds...It's called robbing Peter to feed Paul. Door stop lenders,credit cards,payday loans.credit. This will never change. I still think the country is in a very poor state. Food banks,cheap supermarket,OAP;s freezing,bedroom tax,utility prices up.pension age up.plus many more..Bankers bonuses.MP;S expenses all these robbing the country and the poor getting poorer..Country is in a worse state Now than ever before..RECESSION OR OUT OF RECESSION..

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday December 19 2013 at 16:08
You must be getting bored Richie poos are you are now using direct quotes from my previous posts.

Frank, yes you are indeed correct on the zero hours contract workers being classed as "fully employed" the same goes for hundreds of thousands of unemployed people on the "slave labour" workfare program.

And to Mr Speaker, I think you will find if all the people counted that shouldn't be counted as employed, then the true figure would be well in excess of 3 million.


Reply Posted by «»«»«»«» on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 22:12
Will you ever remove you're blue blinkers? That is the question.

Reply Posted by Richard on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 22:18
Blue blinkers? No, they can be technicolor, but mostly transparent! I support whoever can deliver the best for me and my family.

Labour are stuck in their ways, that is evident. The local council show their inadequacies on an almost daily basis. I've no confidence in them at all.

What exactly have they done for you to say you are proud to have them run our council?

Reply Posted by Mr Speaker on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 14:09
Richard or may I use the comon nick name and call you Dick, the only point I was trying to put to this debate was if the tophat fits then wear it even though it may be slightly tilted. No matter what party you may support the people of this country are being milked dry by Westminster. Any M.P or public person who speaks on any issue whome I think as a valid point and the R.H.M.P Mr Javis has a valid point will get my support if only on this matter

Reply Posted by sarah on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 14:15
Hi Richard havent we been here before, we know there will never be a change in our council because the street cleaners and flowerpot men will be out soon! speaking as someone who lives near the aldi depot i can assure you it isnt going to create 400 "local" jobs. My son will have to go to wakefield for an apprenteship when he leaves school as there isnt anything available for him in barnsley.The social persons supermarket has nothing to do with the council either its a private enterprise our council would rather award themselves ridiculous expenses and see us go to food banks.

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 18:49
Hi Sarah, so why will there NEVER be a change in council? Why are people prepared to carry on with this inferior bunch of incompetent fools with their noses in our trough?

Why are so many people blinkered?

Just because people voted Labour last time, doesn't mean they are right for us?

I see people complaining and blaming the coalition government for things LABOUR left us with. Why are people so short sighted and forgetful?

Aldi depot will create 400 local jobs if enough pressure is applied by the council and govt to ensure this happens. If you are so sure Aldi will gove jobs away to people that are not local, then it seems to me you are conceding to a weak council that is not standing up for their constituents. Labour do not care about you or your son. They are sitting in their office expecting to win the vote without having to work for it. Why aren't we making them work harder for the wages we are paying them??

Reply Posted by sarah on Thursday December 19 2013 at 07:29
Dont shout at me you know i dont like this council, never have and never will vote labour i have 2 legs not 4 and go baa. The reason i know the 400 people wont be local,the people that work at asos will jump ship and are more likely to get the jobs because they are trained in warehousing and aldi isnt keen on using agencies so they will just apply outright plus its more money. I have noticed the past few weeks more and more poles passing from the train station and its very worrying it shouldnt be them that get the jobs it should be people from barnsley.I know the council dont give a monkeys about my son and his future, not just the council but the college itself,they have already cut loads of apprenteships we found out at an open day so why should they keep having money thrown at them when theyve got rid of half the stuff people want to do,and this was before they had their money cut not after.You know as well as I do pt a pretty plant pot on a roundabout and all is forgiven!!

Reply Posted by Breaking news on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 15:46
Shops busy at christmas shocker.
All down to tory government

Reply Posted by AlanB on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 16:47
The country is coming out of recession, there is no doubt about that. Sadly, that is not the case in Barnsley. As a direct result of having a 'red' council, we are unable to capitalise on the improving economic conditions. Barnsley council has failed in just about every area of economic development due to a lack of energy and vision on the part of elected members and senior officers. In order to give a proper boost to the local economy what we need are proper skilled jobs paying proper wages and salaries. The only businesses which our council attract are those paying the basic wage. Better than nothing, but not good enough. A change of colour is long overdue in the town hall. Do the people of Barnsley get the elected members that they deserve? They probably do, but they are not good enough for me and they should not be good enough for you either.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday December 19 2013 at 16:23
It is inevitable that any recession will at some point will come to an end, however, anyone with half a brain should realise that this is a natural occurrence and not a result of George (Gideon) osbourne's economic policies.
Richie Poos will know what I am talking about but all economies have double helix properties, or imagine the ebb and flow of a tide....

The only economy that has grown exponentially over the last ten years is China as they import cheap goods that us westerners want and goods that us westerners cant make for the same price that the Chinese do.

I totally agree with the rest of your post and contrary to popular belief, I do believe that a change is most definitely needed in our town hall.
I truly despair at the state of our town, I also despair that the local populous always bet on red and vote the same way that there forefathers did.

Change is never going to happen overnight, but for people and attitudes to change then there HAS to be other viable alternatives to the three mainstream parties.

At this particular moment in time there are NO viable alternatives as far as I am concerned.

Reply Posted by Fred on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 17:08
Steady on Alan, you'll be getting ....... accusing you of being myself and Richard.

I totally agree with you btw.

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 18 2013 at 18:43
Ha ha, Fred I couldn't have said it better myself!

Seems Alan B can see the light at least. We should demand better. Anyone thinking Labour Barnsley Council is doing a good job is either delusional, or just happy to settle with an inferior bunch of idiots at the helm.

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday December 19 2013 at 17:01
After all the posts between them, Richard and Steve both agree that there needs to be a change in the town hall. Steveo will agree that both parties are not viable as leaders,but Richard will not say one bad word about the Tories. Richard accuses all around of being blinkered,yet,it seems to my niave eyes that it is he that's wearing the blinkers? I would have no idea who to vote for if the chance came tomorrow,because my mind is open, I see good and bad (mostly bad) on both sides. I feel Steveo would be the same, but Richard...mmm. Tory. Nothing wrong with that if he truly believes they are fit to govern us, but I would hope he would take the blinkers off and look long and hard at all sides. So far,I think his mind is already made up.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday December 19 2013 at 18:31
Sid, The problem with Richard is that he has been brainwashed by the Tory / coalition propaganda machine.
He only sees what he want to see and most definitely doesn't see the bigger picture of what is actually happening in the UK under the Tories.
He constantly moans about Labour and he is quite correct in doing so, however when I bring up things from the past about the Tories he simply doesn't want to hear it.

whether he admits to this or not Thatcher ruined our country and our country has never recovered as a result of her (and the Tories) misguided , one sided policies.

Tis he (Richard) who is blinkered if he ever thinks that the Tories will ever do anything positive for the normal working person.

They are in it for one thing and one thing only, to ensure that the vast wealth they have gained off the backs off the hard working person will never be spread.

If we are to have a cohesive society then the uber rich are going to have to relinquish some of their wealth weather they like it or not.
All we need is a political party with real balls to start the, erm, ball rolling so to speak.

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday December 19 2013 at 18:55
I agree Steveo. I have crossed swords with him a couple of times,but I haven't the knowledge to banter facts and figures. His posts are robotic and he has a closed mind actually. This is a shame because he is obviously intelligent and if he would just open up and see behind the blue curtain,he may notice all the people that are getting poorer and less sociable along the way. Poverty is growing,the social supermarkets,whilst they must be a god send to those that have to use them,to me they are wrong and socially discriminating. Richard hasn't the ability to see the devastating effects on human beings that the politicians greedy,cruel and immoral laws have. COME ON RICHARD, OPEN THE BLUE CURTAINS AND RUB YOUR EYES SO THAT YOU SEE THE PICTURE IN FULL COLOUR!.

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 19 2013 at 23:17
Interesting.

I've said it before and I will say this again. I am not a Tory, I do not agree with all Tory policies and I do not vote Tory.

I believe in a fair society. Labour are not about what is fair, that should be obvious to everyone, but sadly there are folk who simply can't see how utterly useless Labour are. The local council are constantly displaying how idiotic and wasteful their decisions are. When do they ever consult their constituents on decisions before they are made? When do they ever go door knocking (unless it's to show face just prior to election) or for their own profile by getting themselves published at charity events etc?

A viable option for a change at Town Hall is much needed. It seems collectively most are beginning to agree on this. I'm not saying Tory should take their place, as like I've said I'm not a Tory. I just think having Labour at the helm is a recipe for continued disaster for Barnsley.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday December 19 2013 at 23:41
Richie Poos, you come across as a Tory to the normal punters on here but, you have already outed yourself as neo-Liberal nd that my pedigree chum will ndoubtedly be your undoing as the Lib Dems are about as credible as the monster raving loony party.

(p.s excuse the typos, my keyboard is sticky! oo er missus!)

Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Thursday December 19 2013 at 23:20
Richard get your Tory head from up your Arse and smell the fresh air!

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 19 2013 at 23:31
@ kilkenny I'm seeing that just because I am no big supporter of Labour, I must therefore be a Tory? Wrong.

Unfortunately I get the strong impression from a large majority of people in this area that they treat a political party like a football team being forever loyal despite their failings. That is just plain foolish.

11 men on a field is just a game at the end of the day. 65,000,000 people nationwide is no game. Labour cannot even balance their own parties books and are £13m in debt. Care to trust them with the nations purse strings again? Are we getting it yet??

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday December 19 2013 at 23:46
Well Richard, your last two posts are a breath of fresh air. But...you do only pull labour policy's to pieces,but at least you're sounding a bit less robotic. Instead of slating just labour,go on,be a devil and have a go at a couple of the nasty cruel things the Tories are doing right now. My stance is this, they are all as bad as each other,greedy,don't listen to the public,ungrateful,and living in a different world. It's a world they have been voted into but once they are on it,they forget the ordinary folk. That's the way it is and I'm afraid we can try putting our points across forever and a day,but it won't make one iota of difference. All we can do is the best we can with what we have, and if you can accept that,it makes for an easier mind. In other words,as things are I can't be added with any of them!

Reply Posted by sid on Thursday December 19 2013 at 23:49
Haha! Should have read "arsed". Even the tablet can't be arsed with them!

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 19 2013 at 23:56
Steveo Steveo Steveo, your constant use of Pedigree Chum and Poos at the end of each name is just silly now isn't it.

How do you expect any decent person with half a brain to take you seriously?

You harp on about Lib Dems being relegated to forth division politics, but not once have you backed this up. You yourself conceded about Lib Dems significant month on month membership drive. Not exactly going backwards, and considering they are in govt and just had another MP made minister if justice, I'd say things are actually looking up for them.

UKIP, who are they again? What good are they offering?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday December 20 2013 at 11:55
Richard, Richard, Richard I never conceded any point re - Lib Dem membership up month on month, what I did concede was the point I made about the Tories having the lowest membership since the second world war and got it wrong when I said it was the Lib Dums.

I don't need to back anything up re the Lib Dems, their buffoonery in running Sheffield city council speaks volumes does it not, not dissimilar to our own buffons in their ivory tower I hasten to add.

I will also point you to the approval ratings whereby UKIP are slightly ahead of the Lib Dems at the minute.

I find the Lib Dems as dull as dishwater and Clegg is even less charismatic as Milliband and that really IS saying something.

I would also like to remind you of a previous post whereby I openly admitted a slight liking to Vince Cable, the reason being he is a cantankerous old bugger, but, alas he showed us his true colours just yesterday by saying that zero hour contracts would not be scrapped.
My admiration has now turned to anger, ask any of the millions of people who have to endure zero hours contracts and they would tell you the same.

And my final point on the Lib Dems, it was inevitable that they would form the current coalition with the Tories as there policies are not dissimilar to the Tories in many ways, they also knew that they could never work with Labour.

However, they still do not have the right to govern us, but they do due to an antiquated political system.

UKIP, yeah wanted to put the lid on that one, for the record I will never vote for them either.
Just so you know.

Reply Posted by Richard on Friday December 20 2013 at 00:28
Ask yourself this, how many people do you know on minimum wage? They pay ZERO tax all due to Lib Dem

Who would have liked to have seen super rich pay more inheritance tax etc? Lib Dem made that happen.

How many people do you know would clamber for an apprenticeship? Lib Dem ensured this became possible.

How many 2 -4 year olds would benefit from 15 hours a week free schooling before entering junior school? Free school meals? Blocking yet another runway at Heathrow (announced today)? Again Lib Dem

I've seen the stats on unemployment, immigration and folk on benefits due to unemployment. The historical figures 2008-2010 don't look good compared to now.

Largely the crisis we were in was due to Labour. It was, and no amount of twisting stories can deny that we as a nation became cash strapped due to Labour. Iraq and Afghanistan wars, bankers blunders followed immediately by mortgage crisis, NHS computer system failure to name but a few. All under Labour.

Labour councils mentality equals the National Party, we can see this very clearly with what they do.

I've been in council meetings whereby Labour get shouted down and their only defence is to blatantly lie and/or verbally abuse the opposition including name calling and on occasions swearing during county council meetings. Unacceptable and unprofessional. Do you want these idiots in charge? Because I certainly don't.

I will only support a party that makes sense for me and my family, as family is the most important, their available choices, education and future opportunities. In Barnsley, people are very stuck in their ways and I know why they support the Reds football team all their lives, but politically it should be different. I've voted differently in the past and have once been known to vote Labour (the shock and shame of it). I've seen and heard and experienced a lot in those years and my heart says change is needed, particularly locally where family comes first.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday December 20 2013 at 11:41
Richard (Is that better?) I skipped through that post, I will ensure I read it after typing this tho BUT you forgot to mention the labour mps who didn't vote against the bedroom tax...

On to reading your post...

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday December 20 2013 at 12:43
Richard, I don't really pay any attention to any policies that the Lib Dems come up with as again, I feel they are not credible and are (in my eyes) a laughing stock.

To be totally honest, I don't really know anyone on the minimum wage as the majority of the people in my circle of friends all have good jobs as they learnt at school and went on to better things.

You are mistaken id you think there wont either be a new runway at Heathrow, Gatwick or a new airport in the Thames estuary.
This is one of the things that I TOTALLY agree with as the London airports DO need another runway.
I have travelled from all the four airports in the greater London area and they are a right laugh (not) to travel from, whether the residents like it or not then they are going to have to concede their homes somewhere along the line.
Not a nice thing to say perhaps, but unless we either get another runway @ Gatwick or heathrow then our stake in the global marketplace is going to become less and less possible and people will take their investment elsewhere.

Yoo only have to look at Dubail airport to realise what a major hub it is, same goes for Frankfurt and Schipol.

I totally disagree with what you are saying about "Labour got us in this mess" Thatcher ruined our country beyond any comprehension years ago and we are still having to pick up the pieces from her (and the Tories) misguided and one sided policies.
The Tories today claim that "ooh we inherited the mess from Labour" and how do they look to sort the "alleged" mess out? Austerity measures, that are near sighted and woefully misguided and not forgetting welfare cuts that are leaving our poor and disabled people in extreme poverty and in some cases destitute.

Let me tell you one thing, I have dealt with the DWP and Atos and they are NOT nice people, there aim is not to get people back into jobs but to get people into the lowest paid minimum wage jobs available to make the unemployment figures look better.

It just shows the calibre of the Tories and your beloved Lib Dems when the food bank issue was debated in parliament, below is a copy/paste which the large majority of people who use this forum platform will find interesting:



IT was the day the Nasty Party showed its true-blue colours – by sneering at the plight of hungry families forced to rely on food banks.

Tory MPs laughed and jeered as they were told how some hard-up shoppers were so desperate they fought to snap up discounted items in supermarkets.

Astonishingly, all the Government ministers from the responsible departments – including Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith – sneaked out after just an hour of the crucial Commons debate.

By then a cowardly IDS had already ducked questions, putting forward his deputy instead.

In one of the most shameful episodes ever witnessed in Parliament, Tory backbenchers sniggered and hooted as Labour MP Fiona MacTaggart told of shocking scenes at her local Tesco in Slough, Berks, as people battled over cut-price fruit and veg.

She said the store had now been forced to draft in extra security.

Almost drowned out by mocking Tory MPs, she asked: “Isn’t that a shocking sign in the 21st century?”

Senior Labour politicians later described the Tories’ callous reaction as “shameful” and “a total disgrace”.

Labour MP Jamie Reed said: “I regret to say the laughter from the Government benches says more about this issue than words ever could.”

His colleague Barry Gardiner said it was “extraordinary” to see Mr Duncan Smith smirking as it was pointed out that half a million people are now using food banks.

And The Trussell Trust, the nation’s largest provider of food banks, said it was “disappointed” by the attitude of those who jeered.

Labour had called the debate after nearly 150,000 people signed a petition backed by the Mirror, the Unite union and The Trussell Trust calling for an inquiry into the growing dependence on food aid.

But Mr Duncan Smith refused to answer for the Government, leaving it to his deputy, Esther McVey.

And in an ill-judged speech, she sparked fury by claiming it was a good thing that more people were turning to food banks.

Incredibly she insisted: “It is positive that people are reaching out to support other people.”

She went on: “In the UK it is right that more people are going to food banks because as times are tough, we are all having to pay back this
£1.5trillion debt personally. We are all trying to live within our means, change gear and make sure that we pay back all our debt.” Labour veteran Sir Gerald Kaufman described her speech as the “nastiest” he had heard in his 43 years as an MP.

Labour’s Lilian Greenwood added: “They are the nasty party through and through. She doesn’t get it and won’t take responsibility.”

Shortly after Ms Mcvey’s performance, Mr Duncan Smith scurried from the chamber, followed by an number of other senior Tories.

Speaker John Bercow said he had no power to stop them, but said the view that it was a disgrace there was no minister there “may be widely shared”. Shadow Environment Secretary Maria Eagle said the increasing need for food banks was a damning indictment of Government policy.

She added: “Since April this year more than 500,000 people have relied on assistance from the 400 food banks run by The Trussell Trust charity, double the number of food banks compared to this time last year.” She added: “It’s a scandal which is getting worse and the Government now has the humiliation of the Red Cross helping to collect and distribute food aid in Britain for the first time since the Second World War.”

Former Labour Cabinet minister Paul Murphy told the Commons he had never seen such poverty in his 40 years as a Welsh politician, apart from during the 1984 Miners’ Strike.

Shadow Work and Pensions Secretary Rachel Reeves told the House: “It’s a tale of two nations – tax cuts for the rich, food banks for the poor.”

Not all Tories joined in the mocking and jeering.

Wycombe MP Steve Baker gave an emotional speech in support of food banks as he revealed how poverty had caused the break-up of his family when he was a child.

He said there was no one to help when his self-employed dad ran out of work. They had to go hungry and his parents eventually split up.

He blamed the current plight of hard-up families on politicians pretending there is a “magic wand” to solve the problem.

Mr Baker said 12,000 children in Buckinghamshire were currently living in poverty, with one in five in his constituency going to bed hungry, rising to one in three in some areas.

He added: “It is a scandalous indictment of the safety net that is the welfare state.”

But Tory and Lib Dem MPs banded together to defeat Labour’s motion, calling on the Government to reduce dependency on food banks, by 294 votes to 251, a majority of 43.

Food banks give a minimum of three days’ emergency food to people facing crisis in the UK.

People are referred by care professionals though a voucher system to ensure only genuine cases receive help.

Vouchers are also held by Jobcentre Plus for emergency distribution.

Each food bank is run in partnership with a local church or community. All food is donated by the public.


Back to the Tories, they were vociferously against quantitative easing whilst being in the shadow cabinet (as were the Lid Dems) and we now find our self in the situation where George Osbourne has now introduced MORE money into the economy via quantitative easing in the ENTIRE HISTORY of our nation.

The Tories, up to press have borrowed MORE money during their short tenure than Labour did the ENTIRE TIME THEY WERE IN POWER.

Back to Labour, I come from a Labour household, I am a third generation trade unionist, my father and his father before him, I believe that a person should get a honest days pay for a honest days work.
The Labour party was set by the workers for the workers and today they are mere Tory-lite.
Before the last election they promised us sweeping legislation to unions to ensure that workers were treated fairly and to repeal many anti work laws that the tories had introduced, but what did we get?
Nothing!

Unless the Labour party seriously changes its policies and goes back ton retaining true to its original ideals of being the party set up by the working man for the working man then I will never vote for them again.
I can never see this happening in my lifetime so I will look to other alternative parties.

I too have voted for the Lib Dems on occasion (ooh the shame!) as I was sick to death of the other two, but the Lib Dems being in the coalition has opened my eyes as to just how weak and pathetic they really are and again, I will never vote for them.

I totally agree that people in our town are stuck in their ways and have said on numerous occasions that the Labour buffoons want kicking into the gutter.

All we need is someone with balls of steel to take on the Labour idiots and expose them for what they really are.

Independent councillors will never be able to make an impact in the town hall and many of them defect to Labour eventually once they find out they are peeing in the wind.

Harry Spence - Turncoat of the highest order!
He will NEVER get my vote simply for being a turncoat.

Anyway that's enough from me today, stuff to do.

Reply Posted by sid on Friday December 20 2013 at 07:43
@richard..now you're talking! You're just the same as us really,behind your facts and figures, (which really do impress me) if the vote came tomorrow, you too would struggle where your vote would float to. They have messed us all up between them. There's no real way the general public can shape any government, well,I don't think anyway. Wish their was.

Reply Posted by sid on Friday December 20 2013 at 13:11
Flaming hell Steveo! What an eye opening post that is! The way things are going,I may never vote again! I can't see how Richard can argue with your points especially regarding IDS! As I said, they care not one bit about people who need help. They have a master plan of social discrimination,I'm sure. The social supermarkets are just the start. I've said before on here,what next? Anyone unlucky enough to be out of work,thus on benefits must sit at the back of the bus? Its not as daft as it sounds,with the supermarkets, in my eyes its already started. Look at the nasty and cruel posts on here when the supermarket opened. I for one have masses of sympathy for the folk who have gotten so financially low that they use separate shops to the workers. For those that bleat about them getting jobs,..stop and think about their children. How can the MP,s laugh? There are those that are idle and grab what ever they can,but I truly believe they are in a minority. Poor Richard will be pulling his hair out now trying to get answers to your novel sized post.

Reply Posted by sid on Friday December 20 2013 at 13:11
Flaming hell Steveo! What an eye opening post that is! The way things are going,I may never vote again! I can't see how Richard can argue with your points especially regarding IDS! As I said, they care not one bit about people who need help. They have a master plan of social discrimination,I'm sure. The social supermarkets are just the start. I've said before on here,what next? Anyone unlucky enough to be out of work,thus on benefits must sit at the back of the bus? Its not as daft as it sounds,with the supermarkets, in my eyes its already started. Look at the nasty and cruel posts on here when the supermarket opened. I for one have masses of sympathy for the folk who have gotten so financially low that they use separate shops to the workers. For those that bleat about them getting jobs,..stop and think about their children. How can the MP,s laugh? There are those that are idle and grab what ever they can,but I truly believe they are in a minority. Poor Richard will be pulling his hair out now trying to get answers to your novel sized post.

Reply Posted by Richard on Friday December 20 2013 at 15:08
A very thorough post Steveo, I simply don't have time today to answer each point.

A few points to consider though to understand better why we are in this mess.

We now live in a benefits reliant society created by Labour where folk on benefits don't even consider they are in receipt of benefits. How many times have you read or heard people saying "I'm not on benefits" yet they are getting Tax Credits etc? Labour left us in a position whereby somebody could go back to work after being unemployed for over a year, they secure a £50k+ job and the government gives them an additional £100 per week as a back to work Tax Credit! Shear Labour lunacy!

We do need to get people back to work to give them a sense of worth. Zero hours contracts are not ideal and I can't see that situation getting easily fixed, but a job is a job, which in itself gives back "some" pride for a worker to hold their head up to know they have earned the food on their table, rather than sitting back taking benefits for no effort.

Your comments about minimum wage I find a little unsympathetic particularly when you bring other arguments to the table. Lib Dems have tried to ensure the poorest earners are not being taxed. That says they actually care. For you to say you don't pay any attention to Lib Dem policies and also to imply Lib Dems don't have a voice in government is extremely naive. They are doing much more than you perhaps realise and ignorance to their voice when they are trying for a fairer society is blinkered.

Your comment about an additional runway is not seeing the bigger picture on climate change etc. there are targets set and these cannot be met with this. It may surprise you to learn by being Greener, it's actually creating a great number of jobs.

Lib Dems put a block on Tories selling off schools to private companies for profit. Imagine what that would have done for school fees and education? Instead they are investing in education from a young age, as that's what will build a stronger society in generations to come.

Politics takes longer than 3 years to turn things around. They've only been in govt for 3 years. Positive change is happening. Recession doesn't fix itself, we are no longer in recession. That's a good thing.

Reply Posted by Helen on Friday December 20 2013 at 22:43
To Richard - I believe Lib Dems have made a massive mistake by joining up with the Tory party. The Lib Dems were making huge strides and also had alot of positive policies..But now going back on the student Fees for one is a massive NEGATIVE and The Lib Dems have lost a lot of Votes that there worked very hard for in the last 15yrs or more. I am a student and we feel badly let down..I will never vote for them and a lot more of my friends will never vote for them again..

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday December 20 2013 at 18:59
Richard, Labour and benefits - Totally agree.
However, When Labour introduced the minimum wage in 98 (wasn't it?) the minimum wage became "the" benchmark for wages here in the UK.
Even employers that paid above the minimum wage historically, decided that they too would "only" pay the "benchmark" minimum wage as this was the least possible amount that they could get away with. (I can supply a list of companies that adopted this policy if you wish)

Tax credits (formerly working families tax credit) was a kneejerk reaction to those employers that would only pay the minimum wage, in a round about way.

Back to the MW, If the MW was a more "respectable" £8.50 - £10.00 an hour then that would take MILLIONS of people out of the poverty trap negating the need to pay Tax Credits to "top up" salaries, it would also save the taxpayer BILLIONS of pounds every year.

Will never happen though, Milliband has said that the minimum wage would become the "living wage" of £7 odd if they are elected next time, £7 odd is still not enough and people would still need to claim Tax Credits to "top up" their wage.

Benefits under Labour in general - Again I totally agree with what you are saying, at one time of the day a "claimee" or "customer" as the JC call them these days would absolutely have to jump through hoops and fill in endless reams of paperwork in to receive any kind of benefit.
Under Labour workers from the JC actually visited people in their homes and filled out the paperwork for them.

The JC / DWP is now stasi-esque in its approach under the Tories, and despite them telling the general public there are no "targets" there most definitely ARE targets to sanction peoples benefits as it was recently uncovered in an expose on the DWP / JC.

Same goes for Atos (Nazi-Esque Tory murdering arm) Atos tell us that there are no targets for refusing disability benefits but again, and expose by Panorama and a whistle blowing doctor Greg Wood tells us otherwise.
I have first hand experience with Atos I have applied for a type of in-work benefit (absolutely no more details from me) on 3 different occasions for three different things and have successfully appealed and won on said 3 different occasions as I had the sense to record every interview digitally as the paperwork that Atos "fill in" is just a pack of lies aimed at refusing the claimant benefits that they are rightly and legally entitled to.

In order to get people back into fruitful employment then the jobs have to be there in the first place.
Said this before but we have one of the highest youth unemployment rates for a town of our size in western Europe!

Again I will mention immigration...

Immigration has had a massive detrimental effect on the jobs market in our town.
One of the larger employers and one of my favourite topics, Namely Asos, and more importantly, the agencies that supply labour to Asos, actively employ eastern European financial migrants all day long as they will work their backsides off for pennies.
Again all whilst we have one of the highest youth unemployment rates in western Europe.

The thing is the large majority of the eastern European financial migrants that work at Asos don't even live in the borough.

Symphony employ 92% eastern European financial migrants, as far as I am concerned this is OBSCENE!

Anyway, back on track....

The additional runway HAS to be built, end of, whether it is at Heathrow, Gatwick or the Isle of Grain in the Thames estuary.
Yes the Green lobby will kick off but again one has to look at the bigger picture, aircraft are getting bigger and more carbon friendly.
You are never going to stop the rise of the airlines as the passengers demand it.
Never before have we been able to travel for so little money to destinations that were never available before.

You also say recession doesn't fix itself, I disagree.
I disagree as the world has been in global recession (except china) our economy is only improving because of the improving economy of the USA, the worlds biggest economy.

We are no longer in recession because of the USA economy, NOT because of any of the policies that George (Gideon) Osbourne has introduced.

Remember the double helix?
Look at the USA economy double helix properties and you will see that ours is exactly the same albeit 6 months behind.


Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday December 20 2013 at 19:15
Oh and the most important question of them all...

If the Tories / Coalition are THAT serious about cutting the estimated 1.3 TRILLION deficit then WHY HAVE THEY BORROWED MORE MONEY IN THEIR SHORT TENURE THAN THE ENTIRE TIME THAT LABOUR WERE IN POWER LAST TIME?

You see that's where the propaganda comes in isn't it?

OOh we must make everyone work until they are seventy because we simply cant afford to pay pensions.
OOh we must cut welfare because it costs us £178 BILLION a year when in actual fact it costs less than £2 billion.

Right wing Tory / Nazi esque propaganda at its finest.......

Reply Posted by Barnsley on Friday December 20 2013 at 22:28
What would they do if they paid it off? Labour would just Jiz it away again! Labour are about as much use a one legged man in a ares kicking contest. The reason Barnsley is and always will be a shit hole is because the people are knuckle heads! Simples.

Reply Posted by Alan on Friday December 20 2013 at 23:09
At least this discussion isn't the usual collection of illiterate/racist/ignorant/misinformed comments that I usually have to plough through on WAB... Here's a suggestion for you all. Let's give someone else a go at the helm? UKIP might sound like a joke, but let's face it, ALL the other 'major' parties have tried and tried, and ALL have repeatedly FAILED. I for one would like to sever our ties with Brussels, and get our own affairs in order without having to listen to what France/Germany etc think is best for us... The responsibility for running this country should be placed SOLELY in the hands of the people LIVING IN this country.
The budget has been cut for education. Not good. But don't you guys watch the news? There are cuts everywhere, not just in education. What about the NHS? Pensions? Roads? Privatisation of our essential services, like Royal Mail vastly undersold to benefit only the select few who were allowed to buy the shares? The bureaucracy of the government spreads through every part of our infrastructure. And whilst we are linked to this cancerous growth we call the EU, we will NEVER have a government that doesn't have its hands tied. I agree that Cameron etc are crap. But so was the last government, and the one before that. Maybe some new blood will get the job done? Let's face it, they can't do much worse.

Reply Posted by Alan on Friday December 20 2013 at 23:15
Oh, by the way, I just thought I would mention that when the state pension was first introduced in 1908, the retirement age was 70 years old. Average life expectancy at that time was only 50 years old. So I don't really think people should be so up in arms about state pensions. If you want a decent pension, WORK FOR IT. Pay into a pension scheme or arrange a private one. Simple.

Reply Posted by sid on Friday December 20 2013 at 23:17
@alan, food for thought there. Don't like the idea of UKIP though. I reckon there could be mass racial unrest. We don't want to see riots.

Reply Posted by Richard on Saturday December 21 2013 at 00:13
@ observer your comments I'm sure would disgust even your own mother. Please wash thoroughly with a bar of soap and stick it in your mouth before you kiss your mother.

Reply Posted by Billy bob on Saturday December 21 2013 at 10:25
Lib dems were in a very good place before the coalition, they won votes from students with the proposed cap on university fees. Their biggest mistake was being power hungry - joining a coalition with the Tories. They have then had to back track on their own policies (Uni fees to name one) so have lost trust, and in my opinion shown the country what a Wiesel nick clegg is!

Reply Posted by Ben on Saturday December 21 2013 at 11:27
Pot hole brigade is out again!

Reply Posted by Misty on Saturday December 21 2013 at 22:44
I would love to know how much it costs to print & deliver the stupid magazine I keep getting from Barnsley Council what a waste of money that is!

Reply Posted by AlanB on Saturday December 21 2013 at 22:50
You mean 'Open Door' the Labour party propaganda magazine, which we all pay for whether we like it or not.


Reply Posted by Misty on Sunday December 22 2013 at 09:18
Yes Alan that's the one making everything look great!

Reply Posted by Deb on Sunday December 22 2013 at 12:04
The debate is all very interesting and I am sure that you are all enjoying it fully. However, the last time that Barnsley College had to find £500,000 they did it by having a restructure which resulted in 40 teaching staff losing their jobs. Should the same response occur this time, who will be teaching your children in the shiny new building? Class sizes of 50 with virtual teachers anyone?

Reply Posted by anorak on Monday December 23 2013 at 13:10
I with Deb on this one. I felt the hit...not hard, that is still to come...

Reply Posted by TO RICHARD FROM STEVEO on Tuesday December 24 2013 at 09:57
Oh dear your beloved Nick Clegg AKA The Tory Pony showed his true colours yesterday when he announced he would "block" Tory plans to limit immigration to 75,000 people a year.

Seeing as though immigration is THE hot topic of the moment it just shows how near sighted and out of touch Clegg really is.

Another nail in the coffin for Clegg and the Lib Dems!