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Barnsley In 'Strong Financial Position'

Wednesday December 4 2013


Steve Houghton Steve Houghton


BARNSLEY is in a 'strong financial position' and its economy is showing signs of improvement, according to Sir Steve Houghton.

The good news comes after more than £14million in investment was made to try and boost the local economy.

Cllr Houghton said: "We have have created conditions for economic growth and prosperity, we have a thriving town centre and our visitor economy continues to increase.

"We've seen so much positive change. I'm really excited to see how our town blooms in the next few years."

Barnsley Council says the fruits of the town's hard labour to boost the economy is now being seen.

It reported that new businesses have been set up, existing companies have grown and the infrastructure has improved to meet these new demands.

The turnaround is down to the council's ambitious economic strategy which started in January, designed to encourage more businesses to locate to Barnsley, increase skill levels, create jobs and attract more visitors to the borough.

More than 50 start-up companies were supported by the strategy this year, promoting new and varied industry from animation production to beauty therapy.

The council says these fresh new businesses provide a new set of employment and investment opportunities for the town.

A statement from the council said this, coupled with a 95 per cent occupancy rate of retail premises in Barnsley town centre, shows the 'strong financial position' Barnsley is in.

The council says the town is now more attractive to visitors with the Town Hall gardens proving popular with visitors and the museums have seen landmark success with more than 575,000 visits.

What do you think to this? Have your say below.

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Reply Posted by Houghtons spoutin on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 11:04
la la la la la la My names Steve I talk rubbish, give me money..

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 11:20
How very typical of a Labour councillor to try to take credit for improvements in the economy, like it was their doing. What did they do during 1997-2010 when they were in power? Oh that's right, they put the economy into reverse and created a problem that needed fixing.

Of course, it can't have anything to do with the current government now can it?? (Said extremely sarcastically). Let's not kid ourselves that Labour have turned things around. They haven't.

Oh I'm sure the blinkered Labour brigade will come to their defence following this post.

Just imagine how much better the local economy would be now if Labour weren't running the local council (I say running with tongue in cheek).


Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 16:23
You are indeed laughable Richie Poos.

Again, you have evidently not read nor remembered by "double - helix" post from around a month ago whereby I provided you with detailed statistical analysis to prove that Thatcher and the Tories effectively made our country bankrupt by moving from manufacturing to the service industry.

The coalition are doing a fantastic job aren't they?

Unemployment UP (Despite what Ian dodgy stats tells us)
Immigration UP despite the Tories telling us it would be "tens of thousands"
Food banks growing at an exponential rate.
The Red Cross distributing aid via food parcels for the first time since the second world war.
10,600+ deaths attributed to welfare reforms.
Press "blackouts" on news stories the Tories don't want the general public to see
Education league tables ranking us one of the worst countries in the WORLD.
Putting the east coast mainline back out to tender even though it is making an extremely good profit for the tax payer.

Ian Duncan smith (George Smith is his real name but changed it to IDS as it didn't sound "Tory" enough is the biggest LIAR this country has ever seen.

Nick Clegg (Your beloved Lib Dem leader) bowed down to the Tories on EVERY MAJOR ISSUE and is nothing more than a Tory pony.

and so on and so on and so on....

Reply Posted by bill on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 11:40
Let me get this straight; Labour is to blame for the banking crises & world recession that all world economists blame for the state of our economy in 2010?

And I suppose the Tories aren't to blame for the slowest economic recovery on record from UK recession? And they aren't to blame for the avoidable double dip recession either?

Jesus wept...

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 12:13
@ bill, please do your research before spouting nonsense. Your comment is extremely naive.

You're stating yourself about the state of the economy in 2010, which is the same year the new govt had just gained power. Did you think they could fix EVERYTHING Labour messed up on their first day on the job? Silly to even think that, but a typical pro Labour thing to say.

The banking crisis was taking hold during Labour's time in power, by that time the poor decisions were made and the high risk deals were already done.

So many contributing factors to mention, but Labour left us in the toilet. It takes time to wash it all off.

Tell me? How would you have avoided this recession (that we are no longer in)? Borrow another £300bn? Who and how are we going to pay it back? Lower taxes?? Of course Labours calculator seems to think so....until the problems start to show (which they did).

As for stating about slowest economic recovery, have you compared us against the rest of the world? How are we doing compared to Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal? Are we in danger of going bankrupt? No, but we potentially would have been had we continued down the path of Labour.


Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 12:37
@ bill, a bit more info for you..

The banking crisis was in 2007/8 followed by the mortgage crisis in 2009...at this time, Labour had been in power for 10 years. You may also remember Labour continuing to allow these Bankers to continue getting their huge bonuses to reward them for their monumental foul ups.

Who says it's just Tories rewarding the rich? Labour did a rather good job of that themselves and effectively praised the idiots that caused the working man financial hardship.

How many Labour run councils put their investments into Icelandic banks and nearly bankrupt themselves? Not the best ideas now were they?

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 14:03
Ok Rich we get it you are a tory through and through. However you cannot blame all the cock ups on labour when the tories are just as bad. Yes I have done my home work thanks so no need to patronise me too.

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 14:41
@ Purple Haze

Firstly, I'm not a Tory, secondly, marking your homework on other posts you make is not giving you a glowing repot of A stars.

I never said Tories were perfect, but 13 years of Labour has hurt us as a nation. The coalition has shown they are fixing the economy, education, unemployment, housing, affordability for first time buyers etc etc etc etc

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 14:51
Richard I agree that after decades of labour councils in Barnsley, the town has suffered and continues to suffer.
The Tories have made a mess up of their time in governance, the cuts are too deep and are aimed at the public sector in retaliation of the events of the late 70's Also so that they can bring in private services (look at the selling of of the energy companies for an example)which does not always work. HS2 is a farce and the rich continue to not pay their taxes...... I could go on.
BTW Not a labour or tory supporter. Your condescending attitude is not helping and the stuff you wrote about the coalition is laughable.

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 15:00
What's laughable?

I'll tell you what is laughable, folk (including you) spouting about the Thatcher government that was 30 odd years ago. Isn't it time to move forward? Labour had 13 years to make their changes....and changes they made! Look at the state we were left in.

Are you even remotely suggesting if Labour remained in power then things would be better? I for one would have feared for cost of living and inflation as petrol would now be at least 13p more per litre than it is now.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 15:42
I concur with Purple Haze, you are indeed laughable Richie Poos.

Again, you have evidently not read nor remembered by "double - helix" post from around a month ago whereby I provided you with detailed statistical analysis to prove that Thatcher and the Tories effectively made our country bankrupt by moving from manufacturing to the service industry.

The coalition are doing a fantastic job aren't they?

Unemployment UP (Despite what Ian dodgy stats tells us)
Immigration UP despite the Tories telling us it would be "tens of thousands"
Food banks growing at an exponential rate.
The Red Cross distributing aid via food parcels for the first time since the second world war.
10,600+ deaths attributed to welfare reforms.
Press "blackouts" on news stories the Tories don't want the general public to see
Education league tables ranking us one of the worst countries in the WORLD.
Putting the east coast mainline back out to tender even though it is making an extremely good profit for the tax payer.

Ian Duncan smith (George Smith is his real name but changed it to IDS as it didn't sound "Tory" enough is the biggest LIAR this country has ever seen.

Nick Clegg (Your beloved Lib Dem leader) bowed down to the Tories on EVERY MAJOR ISSUE and is nothing more than a Tory pony.

and so on and so on and so on....

Reply Posted by G on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 15:43
Richard you pick and choose at statistics and then portray them as though you are some sort of political expert, you are not. The fact is the country is in a mess, but the current debt is down to the banking crisis and none of the other parties would have acted differently when it happened.

You choose to ignore certain facts given to you by others (i.e. double dip recession) and then just come out with another load of drivel. You are as deluded as old Steve here.

I'm not a Labour fan but here are a couple of facts for you. In 1993 the tory government reached the highest levels of budget deficit in history prior to the 2008 Banking crash, this was 50.8 bn. Labours Budget defecit in 2007 was 36.4 (just short of 14 Billion less) and in 1998 - 2001. So your economics kind of fall down a bit there.

That's not to say Labour were doing well but they were pretty much on an even keel prior to 2008 up some years and down others.

You also go on about the housing boom that caused the bank crash, well what is happening now? The whole uk property market is booming again thanks to foreigners buying up everything down south pushing up the average price of a house. It's just starting to look ripe for another bust, and what has gorgeous George done about this? Stop thinking you have all the answers you just spout off selective bits of information and proclaim that that's the be all and end all.

Reply Posted by G on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 15:45
Sorry second paragraph should have read 1998 - 2001 was in surplus peaking at 16.1 billion.

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 17:08
@Steveo my goodness, you talk a lot of drivvle.

Unemployment is up is it? Are you sure about that?

You spout on about statistics, now we all know statistics can be manipulated....much the same as yours are.

It takes some time to undo the mess created by a Labour government that's been in power for 13 years, yet so many want to criticise and expect everything fixed on their first day on the job. Well perhaps you should try it....especially when all folk want to do is complain! They're complaining because whatever went wrong between 1997-2010 hasn't been fixed yet! It's on the very long to do list and when the piggy bank was left empty by Labour, it just made the list longer and harder to complete.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 19:19
Problem with you Richie Poos is you talk a good game but alas seemed to be clouded in your judgement when speaking of "the coalition".

The "coalition" was NOT elected by the UK populous and do not have the right to govern us, but they do due to an antiquated political system.

You also speak of your love for everything Lib Dem, but as they are part of "the coalition" they ceased being a standalone party and with immediate effect I shall refer to them as "Tories" as they have NO voice whilst being part of said "coalition" due to them being outvoted every time by the Tories.

Unemployment is up, the Tories just changed the way the people were counted, for example, the people who are on the "workfare" scheme are classed as employed and so on and so on

One point I will cede is labour and immigration.

However, Immigration is UP, the Tories promised us "tens of hundreds" but alas net migration was 250k last year, oops!

You mentioned the "bank bail outs" by Labour, this simply had to be done as the country would have been bankrupt without said bail outs.

Labour introduced quantitative easing to stimulate the economy, the Tories and the party formally know as Lib Dems were extremely vociferous in their opinions on quantitative easing and said in would not work.
We now find George (Gideon) Osbourne (who has no formal qualifications in economics) printing more money and introducing it into the economy via said quantitative easing than his labour predecessor ever did.

In order to understand the downfall of the UK economic situation you have to rewind back to the last time the Tories were in power from 1979 to 1997.

In the 80's interest rates were at an all time high of 19%!

Manufacturing suffered badly as Thatcher and the Tories moved us away from manufacturing to the service industry:

Manfacturing in 1980 - 27% GDP - Manufacturing in 1986 - 21% GDP - manufacturing in 1990 - 16% GDP - Manufacturing in 2013 - 9% GDP.

Total loss of GDP over those years is (estimated) at 35% GDP!

You cannot have a major European "super" manufacturer who's gross domestic product was almost 30% in 1980 moved to the service industry and not have any ramifications!

Germany hasn't been effected by the credit crunch / financial collapse BECAUSE THEY STILL MAKE THINGS!

Welfare reforms - A "one stick hits all" Nazi -Esque approach that discriminates against the unemployed and disabled.

The Tories have spent some £450 MILLION pounds on their hare brained schemes and have had little success in getting the long term unemployed back into meaningful employment - a COMPLETE waste of money.

Another "fire sale" of the governments shares in Eurotunnel announced just yesterday even though the chunnel is making a good return on its original capital expenditure (capex).

I could go on and on but I really cant be bothered but have one final question for you...

What does "drivvle" mean?



Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 17:16
Let's talk turkey.

How much did it cost the tax payer to go into Iraq and Afghanistan under Labour? £50bn

Failed NHS computer system £10bn.

Government bail out of the Banks under Labour government £60bn

What exactly did they do right?

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 17:18
Oops nearly forgot to mention immigration. The highest influx of immigrants into UK in living memory occurred during Labour 1997-2010. Fact.

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 22:52
@Steveo....are you suggesting we don't make things then?? Which would mean we don't have any exports? I thought you had a grasp of what goes on in this country. Seems I was mistaken.

Interesting that a HUGE demand for Range Rovers in China was only on the news yesterday. They are made in the Midlands and exported, which has created thousands of jobs and a significant boost to our economy.

Wow, the coalition travelling to China must have been a bit more than just to taste the tea!

How about Rolls Royce? British Sugar...you've heard of Tate & Lyle haven't you? To name just a small sample.

The government has just invested a huge sum (£3.2bn) into a Regional Growth Fund which is generating and protecting thousands of jobs.....and its evident that its working.

Tax dodgers are being caught and made to pay, with agreements with other countries to stop folk hiding their money. Expected to bring an extra £9bn back into the coffers.

Education: all 3&4 year olds get 15 hours a week FREE education and 40% of 2 year olds get the same entitlement. £1,200 per year child care costs.

Reduced repayments for student loans compared to what Labour had.

£2.5bn put into raising standards in schools, as they recognise Labour let standards slip.

Improved NHS service: 5,000 more doctors and 28,000 accessed cancer drugs they WEREN'T ALLOWED under Labour, which of course will improve survival rates.

You talk about complete waste of money and only came up with £450 million.....maybe I need to remind you then about the Millenium Dome...what did it cost again?? Oh yes a cool £1bn.....and who wasted that £1bn again during the government 1997-2010? Labour wasn't it? That's not even mentioning what Labour Barnsley Council waste each year!!!

I could say much more on the subject, but I'm guessing you'll throw in your "helix" quote AGAIN......Do it again, I've nearly got a full house on BS Bingo!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 23:21
Nice one Richie poos!

Hmm now let me see...

Range Rovers - Tata - Erm Indian
Rolls Royce - Privatised under Thatcher
Tate and lyle a proper British company!

improved NHS service?
Are you having a LAUGH?
40.5% RISE of NON QUALIFIED CLINICAL STAFF UNDER THE TORIES
50,000 LESS BEDS THAN UNDER LABOUR

Tax dodgers caught and made to pay, now you are really having a LAUGH?
Tax evasion has never been as high under the Tories.

quote " The government has just invested a huge sum (£3.2bn) into a Regional Growth Fund which is generating and protecting thousands of jobs.....and its evident that its working."

Down south maybe but most certainly not up here old bean.

Protecting their rich industrialist cohorts keeping their grips on their zero houred minimum waged workers more like.

Royal mail sell off - MASSIVELY UNDERSOLD but alas the pension liabilities of £37.5 BILLION POUNDS TO BE PICKED UP BY THE TAXPAYER.

There you go, game set and match to STEVEO.

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 5 2013 at 00:00
Game set and match?? Based on what you said?? Seriously??

You can't win a game Steveo, let alone a match....you're forgetting something....all your pro Labour spouting falls by the wayside, because they are not in power.....and even when they can win a vote on something they harp on about e.g. 'Bedroom Tax', they choose to lose the vote by not stepping up to the plate. How's that for a great way to gain confidence in your constituents?! When things go right, Labour try to take credit, when things go wrong (and its Labours fault) they try to blame someone else. Its like a naughty kid at school with the silly Labour Party.

So Range Rover hasn't created thousands of jobs in the Midlands then? No exports there then? No comfort to the UK economy then?

Even if a company is privatised, they are still liable to Corporation Tax, so they are contributing to the economy.

The NHS service was busy taking a £10bn hit by a failed computer system Labour tried to install, then failed, then threw more money at it....which of course failed. The improvements are happening and are ongoing.....again, which is evident by the 5,000 new doctors. It does take more than a day to fix all the problems Labour left the new government with. Surely even you can see that?!

I notice you didn't mention a thing about the wasted money argument? Hundreds of billions of pounds wasted by Labour. Its no wonder assets needed to be sold, (which you're quick to mention) to pay off debts, as otherwise it'd be my great grandchildren paying off the debts left behind by Labour 1997-2010. So, by your definition, that should be game set and match to me then! That silly arrogance of yours makes this all the more sweet :)

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 5 2013 at 00:02
@ Steveo, tell me about this Tax Evasion you mention. Surely you mean Tax Avoidance. I can explain the difference to you if you're a bit confused?

Reply Posted by Richard on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 23:04
@Steveo....one final one, you state that the Lib Dems have no voice in the Coalition? Care to speak a little about the Inheritance Tax Cut for the Super Rich proposed by the Tories, yet was blocked by the Lib Dems, which enabled ordinary workers to benefit from a £700 income tax cut? Or maybe you'd advise us about the Tories plans to allow private companies to take over and run schools for profit....this too was blocked by Lib Dems.....So for someone without a voice, they seem to be shouting louder than the Tories on a number of issues.

Maybe you'd like to speak factually instead of conjuring your made up stats to appear knowledgeable. I can see straight through it, as I'm sure others can too.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Wednesday December 4 2013 at 23:42
Got you on the ropes my pedigree chum?

Are you seriously suggesting my factual figures are fantasy?

Tis you that googles everything my pedigree chum.

I have absolutely no interest in Clegg and the rest of the party formerly known as the Lib Dems since they have been absorbed into the Tories and they are going to get their arses kicked big style at the next general election.

The inheritance tax cut thingy, don't you think the uber rich have "people" that look after their finances and actively hide it from the taxpayer anyway?

The only thing the Tories shout about is the "super scrounging unemployed great unwashed" as do their right wing media partners such as the sun, mail etc etc

Speaking of which, where HAS Cleggy Poos been this last 6 months or so?
I haven't seen him on the telly much have you?

Oh silly me, the Tories control that too!

38 BILLION RICHIE POOS 38 BILLION!

HAHAHAHAHAHAH TTFN.

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 5 2013 at 00:19
So let me get this straight....one minute you're saying "game set and match", then its "got you on the ropes".....I see you've not addressed a single point I threw back at you, but instead went off on a tangent by saying some quite ridiculous things.

You occasionally give a good argument, but when you're reading your "Labour Party Fun Facts" book, you need to research the author as the worst mathematician and biggest joker known to man! You only have to look at Miliband and examine the resemblance to Wallace (and Gromet) to know he can't be taken seriously!

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 5 2013 at 00:07
The Tories control the telly? Now that is hysterical! I needed a good laugh and I've just found it!

Why is it a former Labour Minister has recently been employed by the BBC on an eye watering £300k? A bit weird of a Tory run organisation to do that? Oh yes, that's because your posts are NONSENSE!

I've seen Clegg, Cameron and Miliband on telly recently and regularly....Maybe you only get CBeebies....don't see them much on there! :-P

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Thursday December 5 2013 at 08:47
Richie poos, Again I refer you to the anonymous protest of 100,000 people that brought London to a standstill recently, I also refer you to the 50,000 that massed in Manchester to protest about the cuts earlier in the year.
Why do you think they were not given any press coverage?
Because the Tories don't want any "bad press" and told the main broadcasters Beeb, Sky and the tabloids if they covered both "actions" then they would face even more scrutiny, please tell me again the Tories don't control the media?

Oh silly me I nearly forgot HS2....

Built with taxpayers' money, infrastructure subsidised by the taxpayer and then sold (privatised) to the highest foreign bidder with share preferences going to party donors.

Think I'm wrong? Come back and remind me of this post when HS2 is built (way over a budget paid by the people) and it's in public hands, running efficiently and at an operating net profit. It will then get sold.


George (Gideon) osbourne has no qualifications to run our economy and couldn't run a bath!

It has just been announced the deficit is 1.2 TRILLION and how does goergie poos try and get some coinage back into the government coffers?
Announced there will be no state pension for people before the age of 68 /69 / 70 adding yet more years on the working lives of ordinary people.
what's next working while 100?

No pension until you're 69-70 years old. Even after pension plans, NI contributions, Company schemes, AVCs, etc.

There'll be even fewer jobs for the young if supposed "pensioners" are staying in them for at least another 4-5 years...

What a way (not) to run an economy.

"Osbornomics has been an undeniable failure. According to official forecasts from June 2010, business investment should have risen 35% by now; it's only increased 1%."


yeah lets cut the budget deficit by decimating welfare benefits, ooh we'll save a billion pounds a year (but you'll have to spend half of that on your hare brained schemes Gideon and George smith)

The back to work scheme - despite IDS and the Tories spending 8 MILLION on the catastrophic back to work scheme to encourage the most "troubled" 88,000 families back into work you would have thought that after throwing such a colossal amount into the scheme they would have got at least HALF of said "troubled" families back into work wouldn't you?

They managed to get just 720 back into work, do the maths it is NOT for good reading...

So lets recap 37 BILLION royal mail pension deficit, 100 BILLION (Conservative estimate, hahahah) Hang on let me get my abacus out.....

So that's £137 BILLION on top of the 1.2 TRILLION deficit (its not looking very good this is it Richie poos) which will saddle our future generations with a deficit the equivalent of £45,000 per household.

George ( giddy poos) is still having to borrow more money year on year despite the so called "austerity" cuts that will NEVER make a dent on the deficit.

Reply Posted by ray on Thursday December 5 2013 at 12:39
Just watched the Autumn Statement, things are looking very good indeed. loved Ed Balls face when Osbourne was giving him a gob full, he got owned!

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 5 2013 at 23:00
Oh dear Steveo, seems you wrote your post before watching the Autumn Statement. I'm happy, progress at last!

Your make believe stats book is starting to make you look silly!

Well done chaps for bringing our country back from the brink....we can eat turkey this Christmas, and next Christmas :)


Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday December 6 2013 at 09:01
Richie Poos, I have been far to busy with work to watch George (Gideon) Osbourne reel his drivel off, I worked 16 hours yesterday, tough at the top innit? haven't seen the papers yet either.
In fact for the first time in my life I will buy the Sun today and see just how biased towards their beloved Tories they are.

I agree with real ray and dez though.

Oh partner is not happy as she has just texted me to say she will have to work till she is 69, what fantastic progress the Tories are making.

I will read gideons statement a bit later and report back, cant stop, work calls!

Reply Posted by ray on Friday December 6 2013 at 09:23
A Tory government doing well and the people of Barnsley get all hot under the collar, who would have thought it eh....

I await your report.


Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday December 5 2013 at 23:02
Wallace (Miliband) won't be eating turkey though.....I hear he likes Wensleydale :D

Reply Posted by Dez on Friday December 6 2013 at 08:52
You must seriously be joking? You really believe the figures/stats they pedal?

On unemployment-do you know how the ONS gather their figures???


Reply Posted by ray on Friday December 6 2013 at 09:04
I suppose you can give us the REAL figures/stats then Dez?

Make sure you take off your redder than red blinkers before you give them to us. Thanks.

Reply Posted by Real Ray on Friday December 6 2013 at 10:32
Only another 12 months and the books will be balanced - George Osborne in his own words, Also there should have been 15% growth by now, Idiots claim a victory when this smidgeon of growth (which according to experts on Radio 2 yesterday will peak in 2014! at around 3%) realists are aware that there is an election coming up and following a double dip recession there is bound to be some growth.

Woo Hoo I also get to work until im 69 now - such good news!

How I laughed yesterday when Gorgeous stood all smug and said the job is not done, you're right George it's barely even started and according to his own predictions this is the first growth forcast he's got right in his entire time in office.

His laughable other predictions over the past few years include 3% growth when actual was 0.2% and even now after lowering the bar significantly he still has the stones to think he's doing a good job.

2014 will be interesting as he will be claiming successes from a 2.3% growth increase and following the plateau around election time we'll see it stay that way or fall again.

Reply Posted by wick on Friday December 6 2013 at 11:12
the job isn't done yet, did you really expect everything to be rosie overnight?

are you steveos brother or are you the man himself?

Reply Posted by dedatodd on Friday December 6 2013 at 10:44
I may be missing the point, and a recovery is a recovery, but a number of 'experts' on the Radio yesterday where discussing this recovery. It seems (and I am no expert so cannot argue either way) that this recovery is actually being driven by consumerism rather than manufacturing and exports? And if the case then the growth will flatten out in a year or so or worse lead to another 'bust'. Is this right?

Reply Posted by Dez on Friday December 6 2013 at 11:47
@ray-You're alright asking me for stats...you need to get your own house in order first mi old. I see nothing of any credence in anything you previously wrote. And yes-I can give you FACTS (if we are going to go keyboard hero and write in capitals...) On the point I was making about the ONS-only 2% of households (both people in employment and unemployed) were surveyed regarding unemployment figures. About 100,000 households. You tell me that these are a true representation of the country as a whole?? So before you get all high and mighty-put the teddy down and get back in your cot.

@wick-Gideon has borrowed more since 2010 than the previous lot did between 1997-2010. I’m in no way supporting Labour either-before the usual mouth pieces pop up...The man is a cretin who has no thought for anyone else than the ruling classes and big corporations-both of which encompass much of the same. If you think he/this lot doing a great job refer to STEVEO’s post above. That contains fact.

@dedatodd-you are right. The economic “growth” they spout about is driven by housing prices on the up (same as before the crash-a fake bubble) and consumerism. Essentially it’s not grown an ounce since Dave and Co got into No.10 (through a 27% balance of election vote and Nick “lapdog” Clegg)





Reply Posted by ray on Friday December 6 2013 at 16:46
Keyboard hero? How old are you, 13?


Reply Posted by Shaun on Friday December 6 2013 at 13:44
Dez needs to get laid. Ray is right, you can't stand a Tory government doing well can you. It sounds like you're the one throwing his teddys out of the cot.
You talk a load of rubbish!

Reply Posted by John on Friday December 6 2013 at 14:11
How is the tory government doing well? Food banks opening up everywhere, energy prices through the roof, cost of living etc etc. They're doing far from ' well'. And I'm no fan of Labour either they're just as bad. We need a viable alternative, and the sooner the better.

Reply Posted by real ray on Friday December 6 2013 at 15:10
Ha ha ha if this is a Tory government doing well then show me what it would be like to see one failing hang on let me think back oh yeah the Falklands I'm loving all these Tory boys thinking anyone that types in a bit of common sense os of the red equation, it's not football you don't need to be on one team or the other to observe the evident failures. You jokers how you make me laugh, the Tories are doing well I'm just off to donate my cans to the foodbank with this in mind ha ha ha

Reply Posted by Dawn on Friday December 6 2013 at 16:12
@real ray

I have a name change for you.... 'Get real ray' that suits you better. Bringing back the Falklands? I take it you're having a dig at the Thatcher government? Ok lets go back to before the tories came to power. Do you remember what the country was like before hand when your wonderful Labour government were in power?

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday December 6 2013 at 18:08
I think real ray was hinting at Thatcher having the lowest opinion poll ratings in the entire history of british politics before the Falkland conflict , the Falklands war happened and her ratings went through the roof.

Reply Posted by Dez on Friday December 6 2013 at 15:53
@Shaun "Get laid"...highly constructive Amigo.

You show me conclusive proof this lot are improving living standards, employment opportunities and helping people that need support from those in a position of trust/privilege and power and I'll agree.

Throwing stupid comments about proves nothing. I rest my case.

Reply Posted by Richard on Friday December 6 2013 at 16:23
Even when a recovery is announced and positivity is all around, the Labour army just won't accept it....and would rather listen to Labour! The same Labour that spouted about abolishing the 'Bedroom Tax' (the same 'Tax' they introduced) then told 47 MP's not to cast their vote to deliberately lose. What a trustworthy bunch they are! NOT!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Friday December 6 2013 at 18:34
The Tories are REALLY trustworthy Richie Poos, Today I saw CAMORON on the news earlier professing his unfaltering admiration for Nelson Mandela....

But alas in the mid 80's (85 to be exact) your beloved Cammy poos was one of the "top boys" in the Federation of Conservative Students who helped make "hang Mandela the terrorist" posters.

Never before in the history of our nation have we ever seen such hypocrisy from a current Prime Minister.

Reply Posted by dez on Friday December 6 2013 at 17:49
Yes Ray. If that makes you feel better-I'm 13.

Reply Posted by Ian on Friday December 6 2013 at 17:52
IF, we ever get councillors or politicians who truly represented the people of Barnsley, rather than the parties they feel duty bound to represent, then we might actually see proper change. It's going to take bravery and not apathy of many to support a clean regime rather than simply spitting vitriol against the current lot - anyone up for it?

Vote them all out, and let's have a ruling "Council of [Independence] Independents" ... or have we already given up? Can you imagine the shockwaves that would send through Labour to make them seriously re-think their local strategy?

Reply Posted by Blah blah blah on Friday December 6 2013 at 18:19
Why can't we just see that it's a positive step and be happy about it. It's not a competition over who knows the most boring information!! Merry Christmas!

Reply Posted by Dez on Friday December 6 2013 at 20:47
He also visited in 89 as part of a pro apartheid "fact finding mission" funded for by Botha.

Lovely bloke. Cameron and him.

Reply Posted by sandra on Sunday December 8 2013 at 15:38
I think 99% of Barnsley would not agree with the original statement

Reply Posted by Richard on Sunday December 8 2013 at 15:56
@ Steveo, you've quite literally lost any respect I had for you after that last comment.

David Cameron was only 19 and a mere boy in 1985. He wasn't exactly cutting his teeth in high end politics back then. How silly and quite desperate of you to go to that much trouble in a feeble attempt at discrediting the man in charge.

Labour make it far easier to identify their frequent and massive errors, but well done you for trying!

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday December 9 2013 at 09:33
Where is the desperation in my sentiment as you so eloquently put Richie Poos?

Some people just cant handle the cold, hard TRUTH can they?

The Federation of Conservative Students also had several "hang Mandela The Terrorist" badges done too, research the FCS is gives great insight into Cammy poos and co's fascination with the Nazi's and how the FCS were "dissolved" as their views were deemed FAR too right wing for the Tory party.

There is also a video of Cammy Poos and his Bullingdon Club pals shouting " hang Mandela,hang Mandela " if you really look for it.

I doubt that would get any airtime on the beeb though.


Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday December 8 2013 at 17:06
At the end of the day this thread is about what is happening in our part of the world not down south or up north and they way I see it from my lowly point of view is that Barnsley is not a nice to live at the moment. Over the past 15 years or so it has gone so far in reverse 1st gear doesnt exsist and the brake has failed.The council has millions in the bank but denies it everytime its asked about it. There is no need for food banks,shops selling nearly off food and all these pound shops in town. All we need is a council that wants to work for the benefit of its residents not the benefit of a few personal bank accounts and Barnsley can become what it once was a great place to live work and shop instead of the laughing stock we now are.

Reply Posted by Richard on Sunday December 8 2013 at 19:31
@ Sarah, that's exactly what I'm trying to explain to people. You said over the last 15 years. That was mostly Labour government and entirely Barnsley Labour Council.

That is the common link (Labour), that is what needs to change.

Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday December 8 2013 at 20:03
The trouble is though Richard is that when it comes to say a fortnight before an election the council sends out street cleaners, flower pot people, put on a smile and charm the folk of barnsley into forgetting what a crappy year theyve had. People just vote them in because they know no different and dont like change as they are afraid but of what,you cannot be a politician and be honest whatever party you stand for but we have to give Barnsley a chance to become great again beating the likes of doncaster sheffield and rotherham for a good saturday day out.

Reply Posted by Richard on Sunday December 8 2013 at 20:23
You're absolutely right Sarah, they will only appear close to election time to do a quick Hoover and dust, but then that's the mentality of Labour. Don't worry, I'll be here to remind everyone of the past 15 years, where they have let us all down whilst having their noses in the trough. It's about time Barnsley had a new council and got the Labour louts out. They've been no good for years (decades), giving them another term isn't going to help and will just keep Barnsley as unappealing as it's been for years.

Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday December 8 2013 at 20:31
I wont be far behind you you can count on it,where I live our councillors come close to being nearly the dodgiest in the area, I have to admit i have never voted labour and never will until they sort themselves out. I think i see a pig flying over my house!!

Reply Posted by Richard on Sunday December 8 2013 at 20:52
Trouble with so many Labour voters is it's like its tradition to vote Labour (because their parents and grandparents voted Labour) regardless of how poor they are. They then go on to complain about everything (even when Labour are in power), but seem to refuse to want to change. The local council are rubbish, yet the Labour voters and Councillors still want to blame others ITS MADNESS!

I've seen so much money wasted by Barnsley Labour Council, it's scary to imagine them continuing to do more damage. They can't fix pot holes, they spend £2m on traffic lights.....THEY ARE JUST TRAFFIC LIGHTS! They complain throughout the Labour Party about 'Bedroom Tax' yet 47 Labour MPs didn't vote against it in Parliament.

Labour council are employing their spouses putting their snouts further into the Council trough.

It's about time people learned that the Labour brand can no longer win votes.....Barnsley needs a Council that actually have to deliver on promises, be available in the constituency to take calls and answer letters (not ponce about up mountains and running marathons around the country). Be scrutinised on what they actually do and be held accountable.

Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Sunday December 8 2013 at 21:27
Richard your a Tory booooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg ****.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday December 9 2013 at 14:56
Richie Poos, I agree with the majority of that post (yes I DO agree with you sometimes, though rarely).

Problem is until there is a viable, credible alternative to the three main parties, Labour, Tory and UKIP then the people in our town will always bet on red.

I also agree with the labour waste money sentiment, in fact just this morning I have received a lovely xmas card from our ward councillors and Dan "The Man" Jarvis, yet another waste of money.
Its just a damn shame I don't have a coal fire or log burner.

You may have also noticed that I have missed out the Lib Dems, their foray into frontline politics speaks volumes and their buffoonery knows no bounds (Sheffield Council anyone?) , they only entered the frontline in "the coalition" as they will NEVER be a credible political party and will NEVER govern this country out right.

People must change their views on the main political parties, they are only in it for the money, whichever pony you back.

As for me personally, and it goes without saying, I would never vote Tory or Lib Dem, nor would I vote UKIP or Labour, so, again until there is a new credible alternative to the above then I will vote independent or whoever floats my boat on the day.

Reply Posted by sarah on Sunday December 8 2013 at 21:02
No dont stop them running up mountains we could do with the dearne councillors running up and not coming back down again!!

Reply Posted by Richard on Sunday December 8 2013 at 21:43
Kilkenny, I might be boring, but sometimes, facts are boring to those not intelligent enough to understand them.

I'm not a Tory.....but to make your statement grammatically accurate, it's you're and not your.

Now please go to bed, silly person, you must still have school in the morning...you never know, with a new council in charge at next election, you might get at least one GCSE.....we can live in hope.

Reply Posted by Kilkenny on Sunday December 8 2013 at 22:10
Richard..You and your comments are Boring,,Bring back steveo at least he writes FACTS!

Reply Posted by Richard on Sunday December 8 2013 at 23:48
Ha ha ha, Kilkenny the amount of facts you post I could fit on a postage stamp!

Seems you just insult people (and Barnsley itself) rather than contribute anything.

You wouldn't know a fact if GOD told you...you're just a simple sheep following a Labour infested cow pat.....which means your opinion is of little if not no value.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday December 9 2013 at 09:37
HI Richie Poos, its been a while, what shall we talk about today?

Reply Posted by Richard on Monday December 9 2013 at 10:25
Errr the desperation is in the FACT that you're trying to resurrect something from when Cameron was still a boy in his teen years.

I'm pretty sure he's developed into a man now. It's a shame you're conveniently missing that FACT.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Monday December 9 2013 at 12:18
Hahahahahaha.

Well erm, yes, Cameron would would still be erm a boy in his erm teen years.
But the fact of the matter still is he jollied along with the Bullingdon boys in their hatred of all things that were no deemed "posh enough" and had absolute psychological hatred for black people.


Your absurdity knows no bounds Richie poos.

Reply Posted by Richard on Monday December 16 2013 at 13:17
Absurdity? Is it more absurd to tell you that there are multiple images far and wide of Cameron and Mandela sharing laughs and jokes in each other's company over the past several years? Its your attempts at raising a non issue from 30 years ago that is perhaps absurd. We are not living in 1985 anymore.

I'm finding greater humour in the recent video and pictorial footage of Miliband's extreme envy at the Mandela event (post his death) because he wasn't able to have a chat and a laugh with Clinton (like he did with Clegg) and instead sat there glaring and looking gutted like a spoilt child that didn't get any ice cream. Perhaps Clinton didn't want to waste his time on a nobody.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 10:45
skeletons in cammy poos' closet more like, the past does catch up with naughty people eventually.
I would have said that at 19 years of age then Cammy Poos knew exactly what he was doing.

I PUT IT TO YOU THAT CAMMY POOS AND HIS FCS / BULLINGDON BOY CHUMS WERE (AND STILL ARE) NO BETTER THAN ADOLF HITLER AND HAVE DEEP PSYCHOLGICAL HATRED FOR BLACK PEOPLE,THE POOR, SICK AND DISABLED.

P.S why do you keep mentioning millibuffoon with regard to any of the content in any of my posts?
I wouldn't vote Labour if they were the only political party.

Reply Posted by AlanB on Monday December 9 2013 at 16:30
Who can rearrange the following in to an accurate statement?

'many labour to years over Barnsley has council many it's a knees you brought'

Reply Posted by Richard on Monday December 9 2013 at 21:46
@ AlanB it'd be easier to just say Barnsley Labour Councillors have done a worse than average job for years and ruined a town that could be something so much better. Time for a change and give the purse strings to those less wasteful, less hungry for a free lunch and more resourceful.

Reply Posted by F.A.O Richard on Wednesday December 11 2013 at 18:48
Richie Poos, Some more stats for you to chew on, The Tories have borrowed more money whilst being in powr than the ENTIRE time Labour we in power last time.

George (Gideon / Giddy poos) has introduced more money into the economy via quantitative easing in the entire history of our country.

The Tories, "were all in this together" what a load of bollocks.

Lots of love xxx

STEVEO

Reply Posted by Warrior on Sunday December 15 2013 at 14:08
@STEVO two of our local Labour Councillors too yesterday started posting Christmas cards in our area. However I had the privilege of meeting him on my drive.

When I had finished in a very professional manner slating local and the National Labour leader for their polices,

Regarding Elderly. the sick unemployed,and the vulnerable members of society. He Just smirked and walked away.

I asked him who was paying for the Christmas Cards. He did not say but Taxpayer came to mind. Parasites
.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 10:47
Their arrogance will be their undoing Warrior.

Show your displeasure with these Labour idiots the net time you vote.

Reply Posted by Richard on Monday December 16 2013 at 01:44
@ Warrior, this doesn't surprise me at all. More and more people are recognising how utterly useless the Labour Party, its politics and Councillors really are.

Well done you for asking direct and difficult questions to the guys pretending to care.

Reply Posted by Richard on Monday December 16 2013 at 01:49
@ observer I'm sorry, but your latest comment was so riddled with errors that I stopped reading it. If what you write is that bad, then I'm pretty certain your argument lacks credibility too.

I'm guessing you're pro Labour, which is typical of your abusive tone, due to the fact that actual Labour arguments fall over so easily when it comes to anything Labour try to do (and fail).

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday December 17 2013 at 10:37
Richie POOS, you have no credibility whilst ever you are talking of the coalition as the only thing they have achieved is to borrow MORE money than Labour did the ENTIRE time they were in power.


Reply Posted by Richard on Monday December 16 2013 at 19:49
And there it is again with the crass personal insults.....how very immature and again very typical of a hardened Labour supporter, because there's no real argument you have to resort to personal insults.

Reply Posted by Fred on Monday December 16 2013 at 20:36
I bet observer is a Barnsley FC supporter telling everyone they will win the league this year as well!

Reply Posted by observer on Sunday December 29 2013 at 08:40
yes fred i am a barnsley fan. but cant see us winning a deal this season. have to laff at richard the tory scum. theres no place on her for the retard. hes poison. no doubt a tory bastard. theres antidotes for poison. he will get some the tory turd.

Reply Posted by Kfc on Sunday December 29 2013 at 11:08
@STEVO rise Sir STEVO a man of reason, common sense, and a voice for the people.

You make WAB Happy New Year Sir STEVO.