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Thousands Of Infant School Pupils To Get Free Hot Meal

Tuesday November 19 2013


Nick Clegg Nick Clegg


MORE than 8,000 infant school pupils in the town will benefit from a free hot and healthy meal at lunchtime from September next year.

Nick Clegg announced the coalition government will fund schools in England to provide free meals for all children in reception, year one and year two in a measure that will save families £400 a year per child.

At the same time, the coalition will extend free school meals to disadvantaged students in further education and sixth form colleges.

Free school meals are currently available only for eligible students at school sixth forms.

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Reply Posted by June on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 11:44
So even high earners get free meals for their children who then come home for another meal

Meanwhile children of low income families eat at school because their parents cannot afford to feed them

Why are we paying to feed ALL children? In other words they took away child benefit and then gave it back to high earners this way.

Oh and it means that when free school meals used to be a guage of child poverty it no longer is. So it doesn't exist anymore? How will this effect pupil premium etc,?


They must think we are idiots

Roll on the election

Reply Posted by Meee... on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 12:11
Roll on the election - too right!! Its about time "high earners" got something for there kids too. After all high earners are high tax payers and pay for school meals and dont get child benefit!! To be honest though i think if u cant afford yo look after n feed kids without benefits you shouldnt be having them & expect others to foot the bill, i know people circumstances change & fair enough we should look after these but there a minority!

Reply Posted by x on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 12:22
yep cos high earners need help dont they,its not the kids fault the way they are living cant believe anyone would begrudge a child an hot meal,your a sad little weasel that needs to lose everything,maybe then you just might appreciate how fortunate you are ,and no this free meals doesn't benefit me as my kids are grown up,i did pay for my kids meals when they were at school but you know what meee i would have willingly contributed a small amount to ensure no kid was hungry because they were unfortunate to get the wrong parents,the only thing kids with high earning parents need is an appreciation of how lucky they are and that costs nothing

Reply Posted by Sarah on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 12:39
X Maybe if your kids were at school now you wud start to get fed up with freebies. My kids can no longer have milk i paid for as the school cant afford to give it free to those on benefits, my child can only go on a school trip if enough parents "contribute" to the costs to cover those who dont, if i take my kid on school during term i will be fined, this will be automatic to me discretionary to those on benefits. My kids have packed lunch as its cheaper option, we work get no help, dont drink, smoke have expensive things - pay plenty in tax so dont tgink its unreasonable my kids get a hot meal at school age 4-6.

Reply Posted by June on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 12:52

There are very few individuals that pay enough tax to actually cover more than they take out in terms of services including education, transport, healthcare etc

Your taxes don't even pay for you let alone anyone else unless you earn at least 5 figures.

Don't kid yourself

This means nothing except it fools people into believing that the government cares about the low income workers

If they really did then there wouldn't be need for tax credits and stuff like this. There would be investment for jobs that actually pay enough to live on and caps on profit for companies such as utilities so that people can afford to work and live without help.

It nothing to do with begrudging anyone anything it's to do with what's right for the country and not being distracted by the shiny things the government offers to fool you

Reply Posted by Me on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 13:06
Do u mean 6 figures June?? 5 wouldnt attrack tax these days.

Not convinced though as the same £1 is taxed so many times, paye, vat, council tax, corporation tax via profits made on things ive bought etc etc.

Reply Posted by rach on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 13:14
It will be nice for the people who work to get something free for once. Me and my husband work but we are not entitled anything apart from child benifit which is 80quid a month. School meals are roughly that amount each month anyway.

Reply Posted by June on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 13:31
Yes 6 figures I meant :) bloody phone

The latest figures I've seen show that that domestic public spending for 2010-11 was £692 billion which is roughly £22k per household so each family would need to pay taxes above that to be in deficit

Reply Posted by Kay on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 15:50
My husband works 50 hours a week and earns a fair wage yet i'm having to stop paying for my daughter's school dinners and give her sandwiches as we can't afford to pay for them anymore as the cost of living and our mortgage is so high. So it's about time the workers got something back from the state as my husband pays enough tax to pay for the freebie school meals those on benefits seem to get.

Reply Posted by Baz on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 17:42
Rubbish

Unless as stated above he is paying over 22 grand he even covering the cost of his own let alone paying for anyone else

It's a fallacy and leads people to an artificial sense of entitlement.

Income tax pays for very little from the vast majority of people, most people pay council tax at some level and everyone pays VAT. Even those on benefits,

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Wednesday November 20 2013 at 17:09
Hmm so its ok to expect to have benefits and all the other top ups but anyone who works should have zero expectations. I hear from so many on here who think that because they are single parents or depressed or similar that they cannot work and then they get benefits, hosuing allowances, council tax allowances and of course things like school dinners.
Surely there are plenty of people who work but are struggling financially and could do with their toddlers getting a hot meal. I have 3 kids and they are on packed lunches as dinners cost £40 per month per child a total of £120. Which is ridiculous. More nutritional school dinners would be better for growing children instead of packed lunches every day surely?
BTW June do tell us of your financial circumstances and then we can all judge you instead of you judging everyone else.

Reply Posted by minnie on Wednesday November 20 2013 at 17:23
I would be ashamed @Purple Haze to begrudge any child getting a free dinner..You for one should realise,it,s not the kids fault there parents don't work,drink or take drugs,or are complete low-lifes.think about the poor kids which may only get one hot meal aday,Kids need us has loyal servants to society to hope when at school there are cared for..because sadly when at home behind closed doors,,NOBODY knows what goes on..I work full time and pay for my kids meals,but I would never begrudge any child FOOD,,you sould be ashamed as a parent!!!

Reply Posted by x on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 19:55
sarah i paid for my kids dinners at school but i can honestly say not once did i ever begrudge any of the less fortunate kids a free school meal and with 2 wages and child benefit going into your household neither should you or anyone else who is earning enough not to qualify for any help,and as for school trips its not a childs fault if the parent doesnt have the money to contribute and if you pay plenty tax on your 2 wages then your on a decent amount and can afford to pay

Reply Posted by grrr on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 20:20
As middle earners yes we manage to bring money into our household but we work hard to do this, extra hours, weekends etc etc. We struggle to meet the monthly bills and you only have to turn the news on to see that many benefit claimants actually have a higher income per month than those working - that is indeed the entire problem with this nation that you can be better off for not going to work than if you do.
So why shouldn't my child get free dinners. In the same way that hoards of people come on here telling people not to judge them and that they know nothing about their finances whilst they claim benefits I would say ditto - don't try and make claims that we can afford this or the other just because we work hard for a living.

Reply Posted by Sam on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 21:41
To all those commenting I understand where all coming from however I'm a single Mum NOT on benefits I work and I don't get free school meals even though I'm not on the best wage because I'm not on benefits I also don't get free school meals for my son cos he is in year 2 or younger how is this fair?????? It's not so I will continue to work fund my own university course to try better our lives and also fund my son through school single handed to which I don't mind and do you know why I brought him into this world not the government so I'll provide for him! End of my rant

Reply Posted by aaa on Tuesday November 19 2013 at 21:49
you don't receive child tax credits!

Reply Posted by Sarah on Wednesday November 20 2013 at 07:21
X Why should i pay for someone else's children? I cant afford to have more kids, cos i cant afford time off work. We sit in jumpers limiting heating to save cash, i shop around to save every last penny. So im sorry im never gonna agree that i should then give money i simply dont have spare myself to fund other peoples kids!

Reply Posted by Joe on Wednesday November 20 2013 at 08:09
Sarah, What the heck have you been taking! what makes you think you are superior to me.where does it state you yourself are going to pay for my kids school meal..you sound such a selfish person..If this means kids have a warm meal and I am certainly all for it..Remember it's not the kids who sould go Hungry!

Reply Posted by x on Wednesday November 20 2013 at 16:11
its a sad world we live in when someone who is a parent themselves would see another child go hungry,shame on you sarah and any other parent who would see any child suffer for the sake of a few pence,thats whats wrong with this country, people are so greedy and selfish and dont give a shit about anyone but themselves,and you asked why should you pay for someone elses child sarah,well i will tell you why,because children don't get to pick their parentsand dont have any say in the way their parents are,its up to every single adult to protect these kids who are unfortunate to have losers for parents,and part of that is making sure they have an hot meal it could be the only meal they get.

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Wednesday November 20 2013 at 17:13
Totally agree x. typical split on here. There are people on here who should know better. If the government want to spend the money then they will and we should be happy that kids are getting fed.
the selfish attitude on here is sickening.

Reply Posted by x on Wednesday November 20 2013 at 19:39
i really despair purple haze at what this country will be like in a few years time,if people with sarah's attitude have their way we will be finding kids rooting through our bins,and starving to death,i pray to god if ever any of my grandkids were hungry they would not bump into the sarah's of this world or they would starve

Reply Posted by June on Thursday November 21 2013 at 11:57
@purple haze

Why not actually read my posts? I've judged no one except the government

Do I believe that households with 50k+ income should get free school meals? No

Do I think this is genuinely the government wanting to help low income families? No

It's a national disgrace that households with 2 workers need assistance to feed children. It's a shambles that parents who work have to rely on benefits such as tax credits. For childcare maybe but for anything else it stinks.

A full weeks work should earn enough to feed and clothe your family

But for many it does not because wages are too low and prices for utilities and housing too high.

All because of privatisation.

But the Tories say they are for the workers.

If we had gas and electricity state run we could limit prices

If we still had plenty of council houses then people on housing benefit would not need private accommodation which is a major reason why house prices and rents are so high.

So they stuck you with higher utility costs, mortgage/rent and then have tax breaks to corporations and high earners.

But they are the party for the workers? Rubbish,

They


The benefits cuts that make real people endure real suffering you applaud because you think they are to blame?

Think on this - if Starbucks paid their full tax bill then it would pay for every child in Britain to have free meals and milk and much more.

But politically they want you to blame those on benefits because they want your vote

And if you fall for it then damn right I will judge you

Reply Posted by Wayne on Thursday November 21 2013 at 13:52
Be hopes there isn't no pork in these meals don't want to be upsetting them Muslims.....

Reply Posted by Sarah on Thursday November 21 2013 at 13:59
Think people on here read what they want not whats actually bn written.

Joe my comments were directed at X. Im in support of free meals for all kids at school. X thinks i should despite struggling myself I should gladly support everyone else's kids.

X when have i sed kids should starve, i sed people should not irresponsibly have kids they cant support. I think we should not pay benefits in cash but to give food tokens etc then kids would get the tax benefit themselves. On my way to work i walk past gatherings of benefit parents discussing tonights, last nights & tomorrows takeaway that starts to grate on me wen i have to fund there kids school trips n my kids miss out on things like milk.

Baz - vat is a tax on luxury items, so people on benefits shouldnt be paying much of it.

June / Baz - Surely £22k cost per household includes those not paying a share, just taking from the system thereby bumping up & distorting this figure.

Reply Posted by June on Thursday November 21 2013 at 14:54
The 22k is a straight calculation based on spending out of work benefits are only a small proportion of that.

VAT is supposed to be on luxury goods but clothes over a certain age have VAT, sanitary towels, some food stuffs, any hot food purchased, furniture, gas, electricity, telephone bills, petrol, toys and even stamps.

The point however is that people sit and say "my taxes pay for this" and begrudge others when the vast majority of people don't cover their own bill.

We should all think on the old saying "there but for the grace of god go I"

It's not the people caught in benefits traps you should be blaming, it's the people that created an economy where you work all the hours god sends and still can't afford a decent life.

Is the answer really to grind others down to save maybe £5 per household per year? Or is the answer to tax businesses properly, to prevent them making huge profits on utilities when there is no competition, to regulate the housing market and to invest in the country to make more jobs, improve wages and generally get us BACK to the days when decent work meant decent pay and wages and cost of living actual were linked.

That's what the country really needs not oppressing those already in the crap at the bottom. Yes there are those taking the pi$$ on benefits just like there probably is someone in your workplace who does bog all. The difference being you wouldn't judge everyone by the same standard as people seem to do those on benefits.

Reply Posted by STEVEO on Tuesday November 26 2013 at 18:04
I couldn't have put it better myself June.

All this Tory "welfare reform" nonsense is to shove people into minimum wage jobs to get the dole figures down.
If someone takes a minimum wage job then they are going to have to claim Tax Credits to top up their wages anyway, which the taxpayer has to pick up so it doesn't make sense does it?

Tackle the crap employers that pay crap wages, scrap the hire and fire agencies and zero hours contracts, then and only then will people have a chance of a better life.

Will NEVER happen under a Tory government though, they want to keep the poor in poverty and keep them subservient as it stops them from marching to parliament with their pirchforks!

Reply Posted by Lyndon on Thursday November 21 2013 at 15:51
Very well put June, absolutely bang on

Reply Posted by x on Thursday November 21 2013 at 18:19
sarah,from what i gather at the school my grandkids go to the pupils who's parents recieve benefits have to pay the same as my grandkids do so i don't think you pay for other kids school trips,and youv'e just proved my point about not blaming kids for their parents with your statement about parents discussing there recent or next take away,the important word in that statement being parents,its not the childs fault if parents wont cook but people like you choose to punish the kids for it. and can i say well said june you are spot on

Reply Posted by Me on Saturday November 23 2013 at 22:35
X Sarah us right in regards to the school trips. Only voluntary contributions can be asked for, therefore trip costs are at a premium to cover those who don't pay. I work in a school so know this to be true. Most schools know exactly which parents and how many will pay and I'm afrad to say its always the same ones that don't. Parents in a school I worked at, the ones that normally pay goit together and then refused to pay for a trip resulting in the trip being cancelled. People pay its not fair to make the kids suffer just because there parents can't or won't pay, however I think if your going to give children something free it should be all of them. Just because a parent earns good money how do you know how well there kids are fed. I do agree with Sarah that benefits should be given in food vouchers etc and not as cash.

Reply Posted by x on Sunday November 24 2013 at 11:22
i never said that all children shouldn't get free meals me,what i was annoyed at was the statement why should i pay for someone elses kid,and as i stated we have to pay for these kids because a lot of their parents dont give a damn and thats not the childrens fault,and id like to know how this voluntary contributions works because my nephews child is unfortunately in the situation where he can't afford to pay for his son to go on the trips and it's a case of you dont pay you dont go

Reply Posted by Me on Sunday November 24 2013 at 11:36
X where does your nephews son go to school. Any school in Barnsley can only ask for voluntary contributions for currriculum related trips, ie museums, castles etc. The only chance of kids not going is if there aren't enough contributions then no one goes. It doesn't however apply to trips such as a day at Alton Towers. Your nephew need sto check with school.

Reply Posted by Xxxx on Monday November 25 2013 at 00:47
Me and me husband both work full time and get what you would think to be decent wages but with cost of living rising and 3 children to raise be just get by. I too am surrounded by parents who wear latest fashion, have cigs, booze, holidays 2/3 times a year and yet they don't get off their backsides all day....yes I get annoyed I have 2 children in primary and cannot afford the £80 a month it would cost to pay for school meals.....I think free school meals should be for all, at least all at primary to the age of 11......but when all said and done I agree that it is not the child's fault the way they are raised and I wouldn't begrudge any child a hot meal....I work with children and see first hand how having crap parents that don't give a damn affects them......so I blame the government and no one else.......

Reply Posted by sid on Monday November 25 2013 at 00:58
No Xxxx, Its the crap parenting to blame. These people should not have kids if they are not able to look after them,and I don't necessarily mean with money. Its not the governments fault how some parents choose to raise their kids. The government are to blame for a lot of things,but not that. I don't begrudge any child a meal,in fact I'm happy about it. And hats off to you,it is enraging to see these rubbish adults taking the mick!

Reply Posted by Xxxx on Wednesday November 27 2013 at 19:35
Sid - what I ment was its the governments fault for letting these layabouts stop at home and keep paying them to......I too agree that these people shouldn't have kids if they have no interest in raising them it's awful t see how kids suffer from neglect it just naffs me off that we work all hours and cannot afford to do half of what they can.....there are a lot of parents for many different reasons that cannot work but then there are those who choose not to because they are better off t home and take the Micky with it......hence me blaming the government......I am neither better off or worse off if I did not work but I love the feeling that all that we have I have earnt......