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Council Leader Calls For 'Tax' To Be Scrapped

Tuesday October 8 2013




BARNSLEY Council has called for the 'bedroom tax' to be scrapped as soon as possible.

Sir Steve Houghton passed a resolution at a council meeting officially opposing the 'bedroom tax' and called for it to be abolished.

He said the council is seriously concerned about its implications for the poorest and most vulnerable families within the borough.

The motion calls upon the government to repeal the 'bedroom tax' as soon as possible.

In the meantime the council, working with Berneslai Homes, has said it will do all it can to help tenants.

Conservative councillor John Wilson, who represents the Penistone East ward, said it was a 'flawed' motion because 'there isn't such a thing as the bedroom tax'.

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Reply Posted by TheWomble on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:08
Councillor John Wilson is obviously treating the so-called "Bedroom Tax" as something else! Oh, like the "Poll-Tax", which became "Council Tax"... Same thing Johnny boy... If you cared about your area, you'd be standing with our Labour team and supporting them to abolish this "mickey mouse tax"... What next John, Hearth Tax and back to the 17th century???

Reply Posted by MrsMail on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:23
Ooh another bedroom tax thread. Place your bets here before a WABer comes on here and says:

'The dirty gets need to get a job, I werk all weak and av to git up at 6 as doe s my fe,la, we pay our taxis for them to laze on there backsides they all av big tellys and drink Speshial Brew and smoke fags

Maybe not. Too many correctly spelled words in the version above.

Reply Posted by Tarn on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:24
I believe myself to be pretty much left and liberal, but I agree with this policy.

Reply Posted by colleen on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:31
I completely agree with the bedroom tax, at the end of the day people who work have to pay full rent and full council tax with their hard earned money. If u dont want to pay it move into a smaller property if u don't want to move in to a smaller property thn simply get off ur arses and get a job and pay what every1 else has to pay!

Reply Posted by u maggielover on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:51
perhaps people would have the option to move to a smaller property if there were any.I wonder why there aren't enough? oh yes, the Conservative govt of the 1980's sold them off cheap to bolster the shortfalls off they're policies.To make matters worse, the councils could only spend a third of the money they got for for the properties on building new ones. what would you do if you lost your job tomorrow? obviously you wouldn't need any help, you would just go and get one of the millions of jobs on offer to you. social engineering started 30 years ago, and will continue till anybody deemed not worthy, are in ghetto's for those not p.l.u.

Reply Posted by SSS on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:34
This thread will be an interesting read later.

However I do think the benefit cut not 'Tax' is a right move from the Government.

Reply Posted by jim on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:46
what aload of bollux that your sprouting dearest colleen.

Reply Posted by x on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:47
its no wander people call the people of barnsley thick when they read these posts,and its not hard to see why,people are being brainwashed constantly,this government has managed to turn low paid workers against benefit claiments,they are now turning workers against each other with their very carefully planed statements against fire fighters,health workers etc,putting everyone elses life at risk,and not recieving adequate care,if they get what they want ,jesus christ people take just one day out from this bitterness and have a good long hard look at what this government are doing to us

Reply Posted by Shelley on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:56
Completely agree with the comment made by Colleen. The so called 'bedroom tax' or under occupancy charge is totally justifiable. The majority of those moaning about it are just unhappy that they've had their housing benefit reduced by a few pounds a week and for once in their lives are actually having to contribute something towards the cost of the property in which they live. The few pounds per week which they are now required to pay will obviously have to come out of their other 'hard earned' government benefits. Never mind folks i'm sure a few pints and a packet of fags less a week will cover it.

Reply Posted by Steph on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 22:24
Not everyone who are currently on benefits have always been on benefits. Some people way have been made redundant or have had a family crisis or became ill and have had to leave work and some may have other personal reasons disabling them to work. You don't know everyones situation so don't assume everyone on benefits are just lazy and smoke or drink.

Reply Posted by MrsMail on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:58
@Shelley - Do you really beleive that everybody that is unemployed smokes and drinks? Surely you can't be that dim?

Reply Posted by mrs a on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 11:59
Does bedroom tax affect tenants of private rented properties? For example i rent through beecrofts.

Reply Posted by lee c on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 12:05
i believe its just council & social housing that are affected at the moment.

Reply Posted by Shelley on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 12:09
@MrsMail- No if you read my comment I actually stated 'the majority of those complaining about the under occupancy charge' not everyone so no love i'm not dim at all. Start and read comments properly before jumping in with your pathetic replies.

Reply Posted by russ on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 12:26
a few pounds i would say them on 71 pound a week loseing 24 pounds a week before bills is more than a few pounds dont tell me yer next comment get a job another load of rubbish when was last time yer went to jobcentre next yer going to say move to a smaller property there isnt any what next will you come up with everybody saying its great people on benefits should lose money are only an accident away from dole remember that could be you moaning next

Reply Posted by michelle on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 12:42
I pay £11 a week on bedroom tax I had a stroke this year and use my spare bedroom to excise on my treadmill to help me get my strength back I am only 27 years old worked 2 jobs before my stroke and now I after struggle every day

Reply Posted by lepont on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 12:43
@russ - don't be ridiculous. Of course redundancy and ill health would never happen to them. They are hardly forward thinking people are they?

Reply Posted by russ on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 12:59
lepont it does make yer mad dont it everybody working think they have a right to slander everybody on dole as if we never worked before unless they are all in high paid jobs i would keep quiet could happen to them next a jobs not for life anymore and i get sick of hearing yer all drink and smoke does my head in. michelle above prime example about getting sick can happen to anyone anytime

Reply Posted by Common Sense on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 12:58
Vote UKIP to scrap the bedroom tax.

Reply Posted by Shelley on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 13:04
@ Lepont- Some of us hardworking families actually are forward thinking and do make provisions to cover unfortunate events, such as saving a proportion of our hard earned cash in savings accounts, to cover the cost of paying our mortgages should the need arise.

Reply Posted by Lepont on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 13:32
@Shelley - I am hardworking, never claimed tax credits, child benefit or housing benefit. Can you please explain to me how you can save for such unfortunate events whilst living in West London and paying a London mortgage? Pray do tell me. I spend around £120 a month on public transport alone. My money management skills must be lacking!

I still don't slate people who are unemployed. I hope you aren't claiming tax credits because that is a BENEFIT you know.

Reply Posted by Tom on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 13:37
If the bedroom tax is not a 'tax', then it needs to be reduced ASAP.

The government sets the rent in so called 'affordable housing', a.k.a. 'social housing'. Ironically, some social housing rents are now starting to overtake private rents.

Anyhow. The bedroom tax for '1 spare room' is 14% of applicable rent, however, the rent in a property without said room is 8.3%, 9.1% or 10% less.

The bedroom tax for '2 spare rooms' is 25% of applicable rent, yet a property with two fewer rooms has a rent that is 16.6% or 18.1% less.

If the bedroom tax was the removal of a spare room subsidy, then it would be set at 8.3, 9.1 or 10% for one 'spare bedroom', and 16.6% or 18.1% for two 'spare bedrooms'.

The bedroom tax, doesn't just affect the unemployed, it affects working people (over a million workers in this country now need government help to pay the rent - often the rent is set by the government, along with the worker's wage!). It also affects a lot of disabled people, carers etc.

The minimum wage has fallen in real terms for a few years now, the government has ensured the wage has fallen in real terms, it sets it.

So called social rents have increased in real terms every year for 11 years now and will continue to do so, this is because the government has set target rents, and increased target rents above inflation.
All social rents increase above inflation annually - that is a REAL TERMS increase every year.

Now then, consider that your rent goes up above inflation, and your wages go up below inflation. Your rent rises in real term and your income falls in real terms (although both increase nominally).

Rent as a proportion of your income increase much more rapidly.

Social rented properties used to be about 20% of income for a minimum wage worker.
Now they are about 30%, and the proportion is rising.

A couple of years back now, of all new claims for housing benefit, 93% were from WORKING people.
The amount of housing benefit claims has risen massively, whilst the amount of non working people claiming housing benefit has actually fallen.

The increase in the number of housing benefit claims over the past few years is made up entirely of workers, and a proportion of the other claims involve people moving into work, and still having to claim because their wages are not enough to pay the rent.

I'm not going to say wages are too low, because I don't think they are. Rents are TOO HIGH. That's why the benefit bill is going up. The housing benefit bill vastly exceeds the JSA bill. Houses claim much more than the unemployed!

It isn't just the cost of rented housing that has risen due to government manipulation though.

In 10 years, house prices tripled, whilst wages went nowhere. An entire generation has been priced out of home ownership. Multiple government subsidies have been given to landlords, and gave them an ability to outbid first time buyers. Minimum rent levels are set by LHA, and in turn minimum property prices. Landlords can offset expenses such as mortgage interest against tax. (Giving them an advantage over homebuyers - if you are old enough you might remember MIRAS - where homebuyers got tax relief, this was before buy to let was made legal, and home ownership massively increased.)

This week the government launches a new subsidy, for people to get into massive amount of mortgage debt and force up house prices (which are already in a BUBBLE).

And they preach about the free-market, whilst setting rents, lowering interest rates, subsidising landlords, subsidising house prices, subsidising banks and bailing them out. Paying landowners money, not subjecting landowner benefits to the benefit cap, having restrictive planning permission etc. etc.

It is no wonder house price have risen.

It is no wonder rents have risen.

It is no wonder that houses are not being built in sufficient numbers.

Government forces house prices up.
Government forces rents up.
Government restricts house building.

A £500 plot of land once granted planning permission increases to £26 000, and can often increase to over £100 000 depending upon location.
This is a massive subsidy to landowners, the granting of planning permission for a single house is like one big super duper benefit. £26000 straight into the pocket of a person for merely owning some land, they might have never even walked upon.

Land that was stolen from the common man.

Anybody that need a roof over their heads (everyone), who does not own a house, is being ripped off.
Whilst those that own property, particularly those that own many many properties, and large chunk of land, are getting richer and richer due to government manipulation of the housing market.

This is the UK, and to be fair, it has been this way for many many many years. It's fuedalism.

Are you a Lord? Or are you a Serf?

Practically all of us are Serfs.

And now, many have no employment rights, and practically no housing tenure rights either.

We need to wake up and fight for the common man and his standard of living, we don't need higher wages, we need lower living (housing) costs, we need better housing, and it needs to be cheaper.

If we reduced housing costs, we could encourage employment. Work wouldn't flow to China, if a Chinese man had English housing costs.
A common Chinese man on a much lower wage can afford to house himself, he can afford to feed himself, and he can afford to smoke and drink.

Yet a common English man on a much higher wage, cannot do these things.

Reply Posted by Tom on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 14:00
I personally think that the bedroom tax has been a very good strategic move by the government.

I think they have excelled themselves and played a game thinking many moves ahead, I don't for one minute believe they want to have a bedroom tax, and I think they have brought it in with the intention of getting rid of it.

They have brought it in, and levied it upon the poorest, directly, in order to ferment opposition to a land value tax (so called mansion tax) down the line.

They will say that a mansion tax is like the bedroom tax. But it isn't. The bedroom tax falls upon an individual (due to the way in which the government has levied it - what with them having entire control over said person income), whereas the mansion tax fall upon a proportion of a property's value based upon the value of the land (location) underneath it, and it's increase in value that comes about from community spending, investment and endeavour. And it is this unearned increment that we should be seeking to tax, so that we can reduce other taxes (such as income tax).

Adam Smith himself said this;

"Ground-rents are a still more proper subject of taxation than the rent of houses. A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground. More or less can be got for it according as the competitors happen to be richer or poorer, or can afford to gratify their fancy for a particular spot of ground at a greater or smaller expense. In every country the greatest number of rich competitors is in the capital, and it is there accordingly that the highest ground-rents are always to be found. As the wealth of those competitors would in no respect be increased by a tax upon ground-rents, they would not probably be disposed to pay more for the use of the ground. Whether the tax was to be advanced by the inhabitant, or by the owner of the ground, would be of little importance. The more the inhabitant was obliged to pay for the tax, the less he would incline to pay for the ground; so that the final payment of the tax would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent."


I no doubt expect a response from a landlord, saying that we cannot tax him, for he will have to increase his tenants rent. To the contrary, you already charge the highest rent that you can, and cannot increase it any further. A tax on such economic rent, is borne entirely by the person expropriating the economic rent for his personal gain.
Thus a tax on economic rent, is merely returning to the community, the value it has created, which is currently being collected by an individual via a position of monopolistic power.


Reply Posted by T on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 15:36
Well said Tom!

Reply Posted by Shelley on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 14:04
@ Lepont. No myself and my husband do not claim tax credits. Couldn't comment on the cost of living in London, this site is We are Barnsley and as a Barnsley homeowner and both my husband and myself working, my husband working approx. 60 hours a week, myself part time so that I am able to take and collect my child to and from school I was merely pointing out that some of us do make provisions and save for future events. Everything we buy for our home is saved up for and paid in full, as is our car. We don't own credit cards, store cards or have any loans (mortgage only) nor do we pay for anything on the never never thereby avoiding paying ridiculous interest rates. Earning two wages, paying our normal everyday bills and dividing the remainder between savings and monies for holidays etc.

Reply Posted by hard worker on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 15:11
any chance you can get my wife and myself jobs where you and your husband work Lepont cos we sure as hell can't pay all our bills mortgage etc,and save up and have holidays and pay cash for everything we own,and we both work damned hard

Reply Posted by TO SO CALLED HARD ON on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 18:43
GET DI SEN A RYHET JOB YOU NUMPTYS.

Reply Posted by STEVO on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 15:29
Irrespective of your views of the rights and wrongs on the bedroom tax, I think the majority of posters are missing the point in their replies....

So Houghton has FINALLY denounced the "bedroom tax" as "grossly unfair" (etc) ERM, why didn't you mention this earlier Stevey Baby?

You have been incredibly quiet on the Bedroom Tax and so have your back slapping comrades in your newly renovated municipal ivory tower.

Meteoric climdown and backtrack isn't it Stevey Baby?

Just shows the calibre of the idiotic people in this town continue to elect into office at every election.

As for the comments from Conservative Councillor John Wilson - Did you bang your head whilst in the shower old bean?
Or are you that much of a dinosaur you don't actually realise what Is happening in your own constituency or your party in general?

Reply Posted by lepont on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 17:45
@hardworker - I think that comment was intended for Shelley. I can't manage all that either!

Reply Posted by hard worker on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 19:14
please accept my appologies lepont you are right. very sorry

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 20:11
Due to the high amount of unemployed and unemployable within this area it is no surprise to see so many nasty comments made by said unemployed towards the employed. How they have the cheek to slag off the very people who are supporting them through hard times I do not know.

It is a government policy that was thought up by the last labour government and it will not change. Get used to that fact and learn to budget and think about retraining or getting a better education with the idea of getting a job in the near future. then you too can feel aggrieved at all the nasty unemployed who slate you for having an opinion!

Reply Posted by Zzzzzz on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 21:13
Yawn, yet another boring shit stirrer

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Thursday October 10 2013 at 19:35
I am guessing that you are one of the said unemployable with a post like that. Still it is easy to slag off other peoples comments without actually contributing anything to the debate.

By all means do prove me wrong with a real post telling us all where you work and your educational background..... no didnt think so.

Reply Posted by sammy on Tuesday October 8 2013 at 23:00
if you don't like the bedroom tax then move out no ones asking you to live where you do and dont anyone say thee are no jobs or houses i have live in australia for 5 yrs i have returned to barnsley both me and my wife got jobs within 1 wk of our return and our 2 children the week after we returned to the uk as our parents are ill and and need looking after as well as us work 12hr a day each get over yourselfs regardless of your situation/s pay what you are asked how many on here are moaning about paying the tax but own a caravan on the coast and then charge people to rent it bet they don't declare that to the HMRC

Reply Posted by LePont on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 00:18
@Steph - I wouldn't bother posting a view like that on here. The majority of WABers have their judgey pants pulled so high they must be getting strangled!

They think all unemployed people smoke, drink and watch Jeremy Kyle all day.

Sigh. When I lost my job I spent all day applying for jobs here in London. I also visited the library for long periods of time and learnt French fluently. I sat external exams at the Institut Francais in South Kensington. I also passed the ABE Diploma in Business Management. Now I shouldn't be posting this on WAB but the Arabic culture has always fascinated me as I live close to the Edgware Road. I speak some Arabic too (Levantine).

[awaits anti -Arabic comments]

Reply Posted by STEVO on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 06:38
Hats of to you for learning a bit of Arabic.

Nothing wrong with having another language other than your mother tongue.
Half of the buffoons that post on here are all on to string together a sentence in English.

Reply Posted by Lepont on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 00:20
@Shelley - working part time? Living off your husband then love. Don't fancy financial independence?

Reply Posted by Shelley on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 13:13
@ Lepont- Who the hell do you think you are, i take it you're not married with a family then? I work part time and earn a very good wage for doing so and are fortunate enough to be able to do so. Working in Local Government part time actually generates more of a wage than most people working full time in the private sector. I worked full time for 15 years before having a family and it was a joint decision between my husband and myself that i would return part time so that i was still able to earn whilst also looking after my child. Who the hell would choose to palm their child off onto someone else to look after if they were financially able to manage on a joint full time and part time wage. You have no idea what i earn so keep your jealous comments to yourself

Reply Posted by Dave on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 13:15
@Lepont: Can you not read? She has to pick her children up from school fool.Don't waste your time learning other languages, learn to read.

Reply Posted by Shelley on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 20:24
Well said Dave, I think Lepont only reads what he wants to read. His comments are laughable. He obviously doesn't realise that married couples with children work as a partnership in respect of working and childcare and its not unheard of for one partner to work full time, usually the higher earner whilst the other may work part time to ensure that childcare is covered, whilst still earning and contributing to the household income. At least both of us do work and don't live off state benefits.

Reply Posted by high horse on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 20:47
Yeah well done and so what? Does that give you the right to slate every person on benefits now then

Reply Posted by Purple Haze on Thursday October 10 2013 at 19:38
Actually I think Shelley has some very valid points and yes as she and her partner both work they have every right to be annoyed when the unemployed get nasty towards them. She has a right to her opinions after all even people on here are entitled to them as nasty as most of them are.

Reply Posted by Shelley on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 22:16
@ High Horse - Another one that doesn't actually read things properly, what I've stated previously was 'the majority' NOT EVERYONE. Yes there are genuine people who through no fault of their own end up having to claim benefits but then there are the parasites who can't be arsed to work for a living and think its their god given right to sponge off the state. So yes as a taxpayer I do have the right to slate these scroungers.

Reply Posted by high horse on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 22:40
Thats alright then if it's only the MAJORITY and NOT EVERYONE. Got any figures for your nonsense? Or is it just hearsay or the shit you're spoonfed daily in your sun/mail

Reply Posted by Shelley on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 22:49
NONSENSE???? What there are no parasites in Barnsley???? Why take offense to a comment like that unless you're one of them yourself.

Reply Posted by Shelley on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 22:55
Sigining off this now, up early for WORK in the morning. Night to all you idle arses out there.

Reply Posted by high horse on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 23:00
Of course there is some taking the piss obviously but to say they are the majority is NONSENSE. And sorry to disapoint you but I Have a very good well paid job, so i am not "one of them".

Reply Posted by high horse on Wednesday October 9 2013 at 23:10
What an arrogant arsehole don't forget to rush out and buy your copy of the sun you mug

Reply Posted by LePont on Thursday October 10 2013 at 09:49
@Shelley - sure I am jealous. I am not a 'he' by the way. You work in local government? (sniggers). I have met the likes of you in the workplace before. I bet you are first out of the office door and expect your colleagues to carry you because you are 'mum'. I couldn't give a shiny shit who claims what. When you live in London you have more things to worry about.

@Dave - I can read in English and French thank you very much.

@highhorse - What are you doing posting on here at ten past eleven at night? You should be tucked up in bed getting ready for the WORKING DAY. Like the delectable Shelley. Funny how I manage on five hours a night. Maybe Shelley works so hard she needs her beauty sleep.

Reply Posted by mark on Thursday October 10 2013 at 11:11
YAWN its about time people stopped expectin subsidised housing, hve a kid get a council hpuse is wat most of our young people aspire to! i cant afford a 3 bed house all tho id love one but its beyond my means, why should some people get a 3 bedder without paying for it? justify it i dare u!! if u want to moan bout bedroom tax feel free but if u dont like the way council rent works then give up ya house and private rent, join the real bloody world stop expecting to be subsidised, yav had rock bottom rent for years while rest of us paid real rents, bout time it stopped, pathetic whining spongers will complain til cows cone home, decent people wil pay the extra and be thankfull that they still benefit from cheap rent!!

Reply Posted by Jayne on Thursday October 10 2013 at 11:20
Can Shelly also get me a job please. Me and my hubby both work, I work 12 hour shifts on a weekend and he works continental shifts through the week, get no tax credits or anything and we just scrape by. No spare cash for saving am afraid. No way could we afford to buy a car cash( unless it's an banger). Wow to be able to work and live comfortably must be a nice feeling

Reply Posted by Me on Thursday October 10 2013 at 11:31
Bout time it was stopped, n yah I am single mother n my 4 little uns need there mum looking after them n yah I smoke n drink at home, I don't go out so I think I deserve it after looking after ma kiddies all day long cos their fathers arent bothered, n ye I had a job once for 3 months not 1 day off either

Reply Posted by jenna lunn on Thursday October 10 2013 at 11:31
It really gets me mad when people slate people on benefits not everyone is the same! I am a single parent and am.on jsa went 4 a interview Monday and am now waiting t start my new job which as took ages to get this far. I have so many debts by time I've payed them I'm left with nothing and yes BT. Is a big part of that. Ppl assiciate dole with smackheads, alcoholics n waste a space who dont want to get a job. No1 understands how hard it is t pay bills keep a house running & look after a child as a single parent or n I don't drink or on drugs dont judge until u r in the same situation as all single parents!

Reply Posted by michelle on Thursday October 10 2013 at 11:35
@mrs a & lee... yes it does also effect people who rent private... i rent a 2 bed with my 2 children (both boys so they share) i was thinking of seeking a 3bed property to give my boys there own space as the room they share is a tiny box room but was informed that cos i only need the 2beds due to having 2 boys i would be charged the extra "bedroom tax" regardless of whether i have 2 kids or not as being the same sex they are able to share... so this bedroom tax doesnt just effect those accommodated in council or local housing it also effects those who rent private..

Reply Posted by mark on Thursday October 10 2013 at 12:10
oh my god the sooner i can get out of barnsley the better!! intend to retire outside this shithole, comments on ere are unreal "my kids deserve me to be at home cos dads arnt interested" is my personal favourite!! yeah cos its everyone elses fault u opened ya legs for more than one low life, unreal and no amount of discussion will change the attitudes of the barnsley folks addicted to benefits and being at home wi kids, so enjoy ya town its all u deserve al be elsewer were people strive for more than a council house and few absent fathers, disgusting.

Reply Posted by Richard on Thursday October 10 2013 at 12:27
This so called "Tax" which is in fact a BENEFIT cut, was in FACT originally introduced by LABOUR. Now they see it fit to LIE to you all yet again. Personally I agree with benefit cut for a home too big for a persons needs. But at least I'd be honest enough to stand by what I say rather than use the media to manipulate and brainwash people. LABOUR ARE LIARS.

Reply Posted by x on Thursday October 10 2013 at 12:28
see ya mark cos no amount of discussion will change the opinions of those so far up their own asses they can't see the wood for the trees im sure you wont be missed.and no im not on benefits

Reply Posted by A realist on Thursday October 10 2013 at 12:38
Labour are liars all political parties are liars you mug. And it's not just affecting benefit scroungers as you put but it affects everyone that gets housing benefit. I've paid my taxes all my life and never had anything off this government but this bedroom tax is a joke. And to the person that said why have a house hats too big do you think they would give it to someone that pays full rent if became empty no it would go to someone on benefits with three kids or a foreigner with kids and they would move there family in and make a bit of money on the side too

Reply Posted by mark on Thursday October 10 2013 at 13:03
"x" up ny own arse yes, which is a better place than being around the likes of u!! u not on benefits u sure?? tax credits ad bet me last quid on it, and i know i wont be missed cos barnsleyites like yourself dont know wat decent is love ,

Reply Posted by Me on Thursday October 10 2013 at 13:56
Mark we'll said

Reply Posted by x on Thursday October 10 2013 at 14:51
no mark no tax credits love there was no such thing when my kids were small,think youv'e just lost your last quid,i pay my bills with money iv'e earnt without help from anyone oh and when you and that other idiot me have worked as long as i have,has paid as much into the system as i have,and been on this earth as long as i have ,have got kids who pay into the system all their adult lives and now have grandkids who are paying into the system them you will see why i feel i have the right to comment .who and as far as im concerned decent is something you obviously know nothing about.theoh and one more thing mark'im barnsley born and bred and PROUD to be called a barnsleyite

Reply Posted by Shelley on Thursday October 10 2013 at 16:16
@ highhorse - Never buy trashy newspapers love so wouldn't know what crap they're apparently spoonfeeding, you obviously seem to know though. I make my own opinions of which i'm entitled to do so.

@ Lepont - For your information I have no expectations of my colleagues, I am totally responsible for my own workload and get paid for my contracted hours just the same as my colleagues are paid for theirs.. If you have more things to worry about when living in London then why the hell are you wasting your time spouting off on a site intended for the people of Barnsley.You must be one bitter and twisted person, just because myself and my husband are fortunate enough to be able to afford family holidays and have no debts due to the fact that we have always worked and managed to save then you think you can spout your shit. Do us all a favour and go crawl back under the nearest stone.

Reply Posted by crabby on Thursday October 10 2013 at 16:47
god shelley,you sound like youre in a bad mood. Calm down dear, its only words.

Reply Posted by mark on Thursday October 10 2013 at 17:10
oh dear "X" u really do sum up my need to leave this town, me me me and my, ever tried startin a sentence without it? i dont believe i ever said u didnt have to right to your opinion, but without the personal me me me slant would definatly improve your point,however as a person with a loving family who also pays into the system as u so elliquantly put i shall leave u to your opinion and hope that the outcome of the so called bedroom tax is to your satisfaction in the same way i hope it stays, no free rides in this life,, i am pleased that u are so proud to be from our town and i am saddened that not all of us feel the same anymore as used to be a great place to live, times have changed and not for the better, and better places exist that i would rather reside in, i appreciate that you prefer it in your home town and shall remain here, and wen i say appreciate it, i genuinely do appreciate it, and hopefully you will be as happy staying as i am leaving, few years left yet though so we shall have yo share sool for a little longer but provided you dont live next door im confident we will manage :)

Reply Posted by mark on Thursday October 10 2013 at 17:14
*soil

Reply Posted by Shelley on Thursday October 10 2013 at 17:30
@ Crabby - no not in a bad mood at all, just responding to the stupid assumptions that some

Reply Posted by Shelley on Thursday October 10 2013 at 17:31
* people on here make.

Reply Posted by high horse on Thursday October 10 2013 at 17:42
Thats a bit rich "stupid assumptions"! Why are you so angry and bitter love?

Reply Posted by x on Thursday October 10 2013 at 17:44
it wouldn't make any difference if i lived next door mark im much too busy working to be able to socialise,and any way mark i seem to have counted a lot of i i i's on your statement bit of pot calling kettle black me thinks

Reply Posted by Shelley on Thursday October 10 2013 at 20:08
Oh high horse you do make me laugh you're so predictable accusing others of what you're feeling yourself. night night love.

Reply Posted by .... on Thursday October 10 2013 at 20:12
You must smoke too much purple haze with the shite you come out with.What do you contribute on here? Absolutely zero. Just spouting the same old poison you an your little gang post day after boring day. And why would anyone have to write where they work and there educational background ffs!? Are you for real? You are without a doubt the biggest waste of space troll on WAB by a very wide margin

Reply Posted by high horse on Thursday October 10 2013 at 21:05
So i'm the angry and bitter one then? Ok, whatever. It's me is it ranting on about people on benefits is it? Are you taking some kind of medication?

Reply Posted by Shelley on Thursday October 10 2013 at 22:15
Calm down highhorse you sound like YOU need some sort of medication the way you're bleating on. A tranquiliser dart in the hindquarters might do the trick for you love.

Reply Posted by high horse on Thursday October 10 2013 at 22:31
Standard reply, twist it back round, very original. You can't educate pork LOVE

Reply Posted by gi up yor 2 on Thursday October 10 2013 at 22:42
Will your 2 GI up nar an gerrup them stairs!

Reply Posted by Shelley on Thursday October 10 2013 at 22:45
How classy you are high horse ever thought of changing your name to arsehole?

Reply Posted by Equinewoman on Thursday October 10 2013 at 22:51
Oooooooo cannot wait for the comment,s on here when the national consraints come in next year,....for those claiming benefit,s,,.....i,d love subsidised housing !!!,...Welcome to the real world,..graft and input !!!

Reply Posted by gi up yor 2 on Thursday October 10 2013 at 22:51
AL NOT TELL YER AGEN!!!!!! BED!

Reply Posted by high horse on Thursday October 10 2013 at 22:57
Can't say I have

Reply Posted by shelley on Thursday October 10 2013 at 23:02
OK high horse. Let's be pals. Banter over

Reply Posted by high horse on Thursday October 10 2013 at 23:04
Ok nite then

Reply Posted by high horse on Thursday October 10 2013 at 23:06
Oh and horse woman TROT ON

Reply Posted by anon on Saturday October 12 2013 at 09:10
private tenants don't have to pay the bedroom tax.we only got rent rebate on how many rooms you needed, so y shouldn't council tenants. can private tenants put a claim in 4 what they were stung with way before council tenants.