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Big Numbers Affected By Tax, Research Shows

Monday September 23 2013




THOUSANDS of council tenants in the region have been pushed into debt by the so-called 'bedroom tax', according to new figures.

Barnsley, along with Rotherham, are the worst affected in Yorkshire, with almost 2,000 people falling into arrears since the changes came in on April 1.

A staggering 43 per cent of council-owned homes in Barnsley are in the red, according to figures released by councils in response to Freedom of Information requests.

New legislation means tenants have their housing benefit reduced by up to 25 per cent if their home has a spare bedroom.

The idea is to encourage people living in larger properties to move to smaller ones, freeing up space for families who need the room.

False Economy, the campaign group which collected the data, said some families were being given help through emergency funds provided by councils but with that money rapidly drying up, they're predicting the situation is likely to get far worse.

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Reply Posted by LOL on Monday September 23 2013 at 18:37
BIGGER BEGGING BOWL REQUIRED.

Reply Posted by anon on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 07:35
Stop moaning about the bedroom tax, get off your. Backside stop complaining about Polish taking your jobs when it's just an excuse to stay at home and watch day time tv. Sick of hearing people who have no intention of getting a job moaning about the amount of money they get, if you want more money get out and earn it.

Reply Posted by King Eric on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 11:03
Spot on.

Reply Posted by T on Thursday September 26 2013 at 08:46
Couldn't have put it better myself!

Reply Posted by Zoe on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 11:11
Anon..... Couldn't have put it better myself!!! Really winds me up. Fair enough if they can't work due to health but most r just lazy!

Reply Posted by Betty on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 12:20
This is starting to hack me off! What about those who pay private landlords? They would love a council house but unfortunately haven't got a cat in hells chance! The council pay them to live in their houses and this goes off the tax payer! If you're not happy move!!!!!

Reply Posted by unlucky on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 12:57
Maybe if they lowered their alcohol and tobacco intake to reflect what benefit money has been cut they wouldn't be in so much debt! For the people who genuinely receive benefits e.g made redundant, disability etc then fair play i can see why these people have a right to feel robbed but it makes my blood boil with regards to the rest of the dossers whose only purpose in life is to screw the system! My partner and i work at least 35 hours per week each and have 3 kids which we support on our own and hardly get any family time together yet i know people who completely rely on benefits who do not want to and never have worked yet can always afford to go out every single weekend and have all the latest gadgets for the home and themselves and their kids are always in designer gear. Make them pay more or do voluntary work whilst in receipt of benefits until they find a job!

Reply Posted by xxxx on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 13:07
how about 1 of you give up your job and give it to a person where theres no one in the family working unlucky.just think how many jobs would be available if every household who had 2 people working were to give up 1 of the jobs,people on benefits wouldnt be able to say there arnt any jobs then would they

Reply Posted by T on Thursday September 26 2013 at 08:50
Your statement is redundant. Why on earth should someone give up there employment which they have probably worked / studied for in higher education so some one who has sat on their arse since leaving school and pissed it up the wall get his job. Most of the people on benefits couldn't do my job as you need a degree to even apply for it.

You're a headcase mate.

Reply Posted by T on Thursday September 26 2013 at 08:52
xxxx the above is not me. After our conversation earlier this week I think this is apparent.
Above T nice to know you need imitation to get a point across

Reply Posted by T on Thursday September 26 2013 at 11:31
T - I have been using this username since August this year you will find by browsing other posts. So you will find you are imitating me.

Reply Posted by T on Friday September 27 2013 at 14:34
Same here before that even but you want it take it love.

Reply Posted by unlucky on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 13:50
Why on earth would one of us give up a job to then claim certain benefits to get our wages topped up?... For another family to have one person working and do the same? Weve worked years and years non stop while 'certain' people on benefits have been laughing but now their feeling the pinch as their benefits are getting cut one of us should now help them while weve pratically starved to feed our kids just to get by, get real. Also if you'd have read my comments properly i haven't a problem with people who genuinely want a job etc!!!... its the ones who don't and use it as an income to spend on what they want when the money isn't intened for that is it!

Reply Posted by anon on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 14:14
There is jobs out there, but all you get off some is "I've heard it's crap there" or "they don't always pay you". As for giving up one job to give to someone else, why would we want to do that, we work in my family not only to pay our way in life through mortgages, bills etc, we both work to give our kids a good chance in life, take them on holiday's and to have a better standard of living in general. You only get out of life what you put in. Why should the tax payer help people who won't work (not those that can't through illness) live in a house thats too big for them. Time some were paid in tokens to stop them blowing all the dole money on roll ups, cheap cider and weed.

Reply Posted by T on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 14:25
xxxx What planet do you live on? Me and my Partner work to keep our household and pay towards his kids which does skint us while people do not go to work because of I don't want to or my kids are at school! So the households with 2 workers should give a job up? Again something for nothing being given to those who wont work! I don't think so! There is genuine cases out there that need the help and they should be given it however if they wont work because they don't want to why should they receive help or be given a job from someone who has worked to get it!

Reply Posted by xxxx on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 15:11
there will always be people who dont want work but there are thousends out there that do,my point is you are on here ranting about people on benefits but if everyhoushold that wanted to work had 1 person in full time work then there wouldnt be as many claiming benefits,and if you are skint on 2 wages t what about genuine people who are living on £74 a week they still have to pay for all their utilities and food etc and would desperately love to have a full time wage.im not saying if i was in a 2 wage house i would give up my job either,but then again i dont mind for 1 min helping any genuine people out there who have found themselves having to claim benefits iv'e been there and its the most degrading feeling ever,and pray i never find myself in that position again.i am not prepared to damn the many genuine, for the few idol .im assuming that the majority of you passing comment on here are my grown up kids generation,well all i can say is with the lack of compassion and community spirit shown on here its god help my grandchildrens generation
and the attitudes they are going to have towards each other

Reply Posted by T on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 15:57
I would at a guess say that people living on £74 per week have rent paid etc and have less out goings to keep them stable. however the genuine ones out there (and yes I have been there with no hand outs as I didn't qualify) will already have skills they have worked towards which may or may not be compatible with jobs that you are so freely asking people to hand out. In my case if we had 1 person working we would have to ask for help on benefits as again as mentioned we pay for my partners kids so we would then be without in our house hold no electricity etc so why when we have been in work for so long should we give this up? I can appreciate what you are saying xxxx however the people who want to and can work and have the skills to get a job will do as there is jobs out there as I have been and looked. When in a position where you need to have a job I don't feel there is any excuse not to have one there should be nothing beneath you when looking to work! I know people who will not go to work as they don't like the job or it is too far to travel so stay on state handouts?! is this fair?
Yes lack of compassion and community spirit is down these days and that is terrible and things are not as they are not as they used to be. I will give to food banks and stand up for the bedroom tax however I don't see why households with 2 workers should suffer. Would this also go for people with grown children at home? will they have to stop their children working so one of them can go to work? This would not breed the correct culture surely?

Reply Posted by xxxx on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 16:39
T i was one of those people living on £74 a week and yes there was only me but i still had to pay the same for gas,electricity,water,tv licence,food etc dont get me wrong im not saying i should have had more because i was gratefull for what i did get,it took me 15 months and after 136 job applications,gave up counting after that a member of my families friend took pity on me as they knew at 56 and with no formal qualifactions i was unlikely to get a job,considering they now want qualifications for a cleaning job.admittedly i do have some health issues which went against me,but i do know exactly how hard it is for people my age group to get someone to employ you and its soul destroying to read some of the comments on these debates every day

Reply Posted by T on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 16:59
xxxx yes some of the things said are truly horrible and for those in need is genuinely hurtful. Help should be given to those who need it and should be looked into for those trying to fiddle the system.
It is difficult in those times when we need help and no one seems to offer anything. We all have to essentially start again. We should come together those of us who need the help and those who have the potential to help.

Reply Posted by xxxxx on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 17:44
yes your right t it just saddens and angers me that some people are so hell bent on judging everyone else they forget to be gratefull for what they have,and i truelly believe untill youve been in that position you can't possibly understand what its like for the genuine ones out there

Reply Posted by anon on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 20:16
I'm not judging anyone, but when you live in an area where the majority of under 40's don't want to work it's annoying.

Reply Posted by Swifty on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 21:26
All political parties over the years have created a society of work shy people. This has to stop. People can not have something for nothing if they don't put nothing in the pot. The problemn is no party is dealing with theses people.

What all political parties have done is labelled all people including short term unemployed the genuine sick and genuine disabled people as the same.

This is not true the LONG term unemployed that choose not to find a job and not looking to re-train or gain extra qualifications to improve,There chances of gaining employment.

Tackle these people and make the Lazy bar stewards earn there benifits. They should be an official group called " Could Work Will not work" that way the genuine unemployed etc will not be judged like everybody.

Just a thought.

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 21:29
It's a very good thought though Swifty.

Reply Posted by Lee on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 21:44
Swifty I totally agree with your thought it's not a bad idea. The people at jobscentre Plus would be the best people to decide who goes on which list. I could see the working. Drastic times needs drastic measures I for one would be happy with that.

We could shame the lazy twats to get a job and pay there way.

Reply Posted by Rubydoo on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 21:45
Well said Swifty.
Its the 'could work but will not work' category that most people have a problem with. This group has to be tackled and made to work. They duck and dive, full of excuses, it has to stop.
A few years ago a friend said a lad her daughter knew couldnt work, he'd been found a job but couldn't take it as he'd have to catch 2 buses to get there and get up before 6am!!!!!!!!!! What the hell do these people think the rest of us have done or are still doing in our working lives, do they think a chauffeur takes us!!!

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 21:59
We can all see it,why can't them silly chuffs in charge see it? They have the power to sort it,but they just don't.
Today I heard a polish guy asking for housing benefit forms. He was a young guy,so will have paid very little into the pot,so it did rankle me to think he was claiming housing benefit. There does seem to be lots of things wrong with the system. I thought the polish were here to work,not claim as well. Its wrong to my mind I,m afraid.

Reply Posted by Swifty on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 22:21
Let me try and explain about polish And EU members that come to work in this country.
we have a Government minimum wage in this country we also have a minimum amount of money the Government says every individual and couple needs to live on in this country.
No matter how much any Person is paid per hour in the job they are doing. everyone is allowed to have there wages top up to the minimum amount the government sy sew need to live on.

Most if not all foreign workers receive Working Tax Credits. Also any polish worker working in this country that has children back in his home country RECEIVES Child Benefit to send home. They also receive PRIORITY housing on OUR waiting LISTS and health Care and education.


Reply Posted by Swifty on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 22:24
Iforgot to confirm yes they can receive Housing Benefit as well.

Reply Posted by sid on Tuesday September 24 2013 at 22:31
No wonder the country's skint. What are our politicians doing to us eh. There's a lot of unfairness. Its time the ordinary working man was heard.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Wednesday September 25 2013 at 09:44
its not the peoples attitude towards people who dont want to work,its like swifty said most people class everyone whos unemployed the same,i was stood talking to a friend in the street one day and she asked me how i was doing,i told her i was unemployed at the moment and i heard 1 of 2 men whe were walking passed say to the other,another scrounging beeep that we have to pay for,i was absolutely mortified that someone who didnt know me or anything about my circumstances could so readily judge me.like i said i was lucky i got a job but there are so many out there like me who are being wrongly judged by people like this man,and thats why i will always try and fight for the genine ones unfortunately unless we know the person claiming personally we dont know their position so we have to give people the benefit of the doubt in my eyes

Reply Posted by kip on Wednesday September 25 2013 at 10:59
(EXAMPLE) I reported a family of 2 plus 3 adult children, who has never held a job in there life,to the fiddles office.this resulted in black bags being removed from there council home by the tenents (Because the wife claimed that the husband had left her) apparently claiming separately yields more money.They are the owners of a fixed caravan at a well known seaside resort,and visit it for two weeks every month.They own a recently new car,and there home as all the luxurys you can buy.Did I feel guilty or jealous as some people might say by doing the dirty deed.(No) just sick and tired of having to work to put in the pot for people such as this.(By the the way the situation is once again back to the way it was before) dont know way I bothered these people know how to play the system and the system is a joke.

Reply Posted by Swifty on Wednesday September 25 2013 at 18:12
These are the kind of people that should be placed in "Could Work Will not Work" Category

To be made to attend the Job Centre on a daily basis and confirm they have activity seeking work.

And second should be paid in food vouchers not cash in Benifits.

Please don't start sticking up for these people in this group. they have bleed the country dry and given the Genuine unemployed people a stigma.




Reply Posted by Tony on Wednesday September 25 2013 at 20:15
The Tories really scored big on this. They hit the poorest with bedroom tax and at the same time cut tax for the top earners. They are laughing at us.

Reply Posted by Charles on Wednesday September 25 2013 at 22:10
What rubbish you post. I am certainly laughing at you.

Reply Posted by Stevo on Saturday September 28 2013 at 15:09
What a rubbish reply Charles.
I am currently laughing out loud at you as we both know that you are a Tory.
What Tony has posted is absolutely spot on , I know this and you know this too Mr Tory.

Reply Posted by Swifty on Wednesday September 25 2013 at 21:35
Don't forget Tony The Labour Party also allowed the Bedroom tax to be voted in Parliament. don't be fooled by Labour or any other main stream party.

There is NO party out there that looks after The Working Class The elderly and the genuine Sick and Genuine unemployed people in this country.

.

Reply Posted by Tony on Thursday September 26 2013 at 13:11
They are laughing at us being too busy arguing between ourselves. How many of us are in receipt of some benefit or concession? - child (the old family allowance), working tax, housing ... bus pass, prescriptions etc. yet somehow those 'only' getting one or two benefits are taking the high ground against those who have paid their way in society but couldn't afford to buy their council house at the time.

The 'won't work' deserve all your venom, the 'can't work' in council housing deserve some consideration.

As for Labour, totally ineffective, I certainly wasn't banging their drum only expressing concern that the Tory tax break for the few is being overlooked by the many.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Friday September 27 2013 at 14:42
you are so right tony,and the majority of people on here get some kind of benefit or concession.its a sad world we live in when human beings wish harm and poverty on their fellow humans.

Reply Posted by Reaper on Friday September 27 2013 at 21:24
Tony you talk utter rubbish.

neither my spouse nor I have ever had any benefits except for family allowance for our kids and that money goes into their bank accounts for their university fees in the future.

We are in our 40s and have never claimed anything so shows what you know pal. Do not judge all of us based on your own rubbish values.

We all know there are tons of people who will not work and who live off the state. They are in the red because they spend money on the wrong things and another point not mentioned is the small percentage that all of working age must now pay towards council tax. It is about £8 a month and they will not pay that either.

Reply Posted by LV on Saturday September 28 2013 at 00:17
I wonder how many of these people were 'in the red' BEFORE it came into force?? I also wonder how many people are actually trying to pay it - even if just a little at a time until they get smaller houses. I also wonder how many of these people have ever worked in their lives and how many of them have walked into a council house got comfortable and stayed there feeling safe in the knowledge that all the suckers who are going to work are paying for them to live!!

I am in receipt of no benefits and have only ever been on JSA for a total of 27 weeks - 13 of which I was waiting for my CRB check - I couldn't wait to be off it and back in work, the only joy I got from being on JSA is that it seemed my genuine enthusiasm for finding a job actually made the advisors smile and see that their job is worth doing instead of being face by the "can work won't work" population day in, day out!

Reply Posted by xxxx on Saturday September 28 2013 at 18:42
you bone idol scrounger lv i payed for you for 27 wks out of my hard earned wage even though 13 of those were waiting for your crb check, you should hang your head in shame.anyone getting my point yet about refering to people on benefits as scroungers,please accept my apologies lv. just trying to prove my point about everyones circumstances being different so everyone should be treated as individuals.and can i just add lv that i was quite happy to support you during your search for employment

Reply Posted by Unknown. on Monday September 30 2013 at 09:05
This is a debate which goes both ways. There are people who want to work willing to take any job so ends can be met. Others won't and will not work thinking everything will be handed on a plate. I have a next door neighbour at the age of 19 a lout with one child planning on getting pregnant in the next year or so just so she can claim carry on claiming income support so she doesn't have to work. I am a single parent of 2 children I even work 2 jobs. There are jobs out there some are hard to come by because a lot are stating you need experience for this and experience for that others are rubbish hours and hardly enough pay. I recently was effected by bedroom tax until I got my jobs after being out of work a few weeks it's easily paid just means having to do without the things you want but do not need. It's nothing to do with society or the government it's to do with people not wanting to give up in extravagant things and expecting the government to wipe their back sides for them.

Reply Posted by sid on Monday September 30 2013 at 10:06
There's the thing. Years ago if you needs a new telly,or a telephone, holidays cars and other nice stuff,the only way to get them was to work. These things are so easily given now. Everyone still wants them,but some are given so much money that the need to work in,t there anymore. Whilst this carries on,if I didn't have pride,I wouldn't,t work either. One thing I don't get, is if folk have no job,why would they actually need a car? Of course I'm not talking about the disabled, that's another story. My brother in law is quite badly disabled,so get the disability he is entitled to. But,he works voluntary plus he does 2 /3 days per week on reception at a taxi rank. He also refuses to use disabled car parking spots even though he should. He always says there's someone worse than him. He,s a star.

Reply Posted by xxxx on Monday September 30 2013 at 15:29
can i ask, if this government are going to put people on benefits to work sweeping street,cleaning toilets etc,what will happen to the poor people who are employed to do these jobs,will they be laid off one by one and then brought back to do the same job for their benefits. im all for people going out to work but i have to say this idea scares the hell out of me,how long will it be before we all lose our jobs and then have to do the same job for benefit money,going back to the days of slavery springs to mind when the poor worked there backsides off for nothing.i always thought governments were there to serve us,not control every single part of our lives,and treat us as if we are beneath them,as far as im concerned money doesn't give you class,humanity and compassion do's