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Should HS2 Plans Be Scrapped? - A WAB Debate

Wednesday August 21 2013


What do you think to the HS2 plans? What do you think to the HS2 plans?


SHOULD plans for the HS2 rail link be scrapped? As its predicted cost has shot up again, now at an estimated £80bn, do you think it's time to pull the plug?

Just two months ago, transport minister Patrick McLoughlin told MPs that the new projected cost was £42.6bn, up from its original £33bn.

However, the Institute for Economic Affairs' new report expects lobbying by local councils for extra infrastructure and design changes will inflate the cost.

It wants HS2 to be scrapped and the money spent on other transport schemes.

The line is intended to link London to Birmingham by 2026, with branches to Manchester and Leeds, via Sheffield and through Barnsley, planned by 2032.

Its route's already caused a lot of concern for some Barnsley residents.

What do you think? Are you in favour of the plans? What do you think to the predicted costs? Too much? Worth it for the potential future benefits to the economy? Have your say below.

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Reply Posted by keyboardopinions on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 10:45
If we are not sure about the ins and outs, then in the name of progress I say we grumble for some reason.

Reply Posted by daveyboy on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 11:21
My opinion is that HS2 should be scrapped and the money invested in upgrading the existing line and extra journies from Yorkshire to the capital.
HS2 not only will have a vast impact on the countryside as well as residents who shall be inconveinienced by the project.

Reply Posted by GillianA on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 12:53
Money would be better spent improving trans pennine routes and sorting out broadband in the region. I dont see what Barnsley has to gain from HS2 - mainline services likely to be cut once fast link to Leeds via Meadowhall and the traffic chaos for many many years will be intolerable. Add to that the huge enviromental destruction and misery for many residents - I dont understand why the Council has just 'welcomed' this plan without any debate or consultation.

Reply Posted by Jimmy on Monday August 26 2013 at 15:01
We had a perfectly good direct Trans-Pennine route between Barnsley and Manchester. It was the Woodhead route through Penistone and it was electrified. Instead of being closed in the 1980s it could have easily been converted to 25kv operation. Instead we have to travel on a wardrobe taking ages and changing at Huddersfield or change at Sheffield to go through Derbyshire and Cheshire. Never mind, you can still go on the main line through Woodhead, you just need hiking boots and a cagoule.

Reply Posted by keef on Wednesday August 21 2013 at 21:47
What the hell does "through Barnsley" mean? Does it mean the trains will be stopping at Barnsley? If not then they can get lost. Cities like Leeds and Manchester already have enough quick train services to London, Barnsley and other towns have none at all. They should look at giving every town a link to London before improving services to towns/cities that already have direct links.

Reply Posted by Dawn on Thursday August 22 2013 at 00:43
yes it should b scrapped going 2 disrupt homes ... farms.. peoples lively hoods ...i just came from London 2 Doncaster in under 2 hrs.....whats wrong with that may i ask!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reply Posted by Mick on Thursday August 22 2013 at 01:57
High speed links are useful for countries that are vast. England is only small .The benefits are minimal to say the least .France , Germany are four times the size of England .We have no need for it.Lets spend a fraction of that amount upgrading the existing train line we already have in place and spend the rest on bringing jobs to the north of England instead of pampering to the south who in my opinion get too much money spend on them .

Reply Posted by Stevo on Thursday August 22 2013 at 14:19
HS2 Brings nothing to the North, its all about the south.

Scrap it now, its already doubled in cost.

Reply Posted by !!! on Friday August 23 2013 at 13:43
All that money and disruption to save less than 30 mins is a joke ..

Reply Posted by Strider on Friday August 23 2013 at 17:07
HS2 is vitally important to this country - I cannot understand why so many short sighted people are against it. Reducing the journey time to our southern headquarters will mean that it is much easier to travel between my clients in London and my workforce in the north. It also means that my wife can shop cheaper in Meadowhall and be back in London in time for an evening at the theatre.

Building the track to the plan published will clear some of the mess left by the miners on the landscape of Yorkshire. In addition it will bring welcome contracts to our prestigious construction firms - many of whom are strong supporters of the Conservative party.

Reply Posted by Pacer on Friday August 23 2013 at 17:14
Nar then Strider, where does thar live, an end terrace in Cudeth? Tha posh _ _ _ _

Reply Posted by Martin on Tuesday August 27 2013 at 13:17
So Strider you are going to take almost £1000 off every person in the UK so your wife can nip up to Meadowhall and be back in time for tea, sorry I would need a lot stronger reason.
Oh you say it will give welcome contracts to construction firms. In other words a few will get rich from HS2 at our expense!!!
The money if it is to be spent on the railways would be better utilised in improving the freight carrying capacity, also the electrification of all the network, electricity is cheaper than diesel otherwise we would power our homes with it.

Reply Posted by BusyElf on Monday September 30 2013 at 14:29
Move your headquarters up North, Strider and tha win't waste money on train fares, and wife will still be able to shop at MeadowHall and be back in time for tea and crumpets, Come and live up here and see how great Gods Garden is up here, then see tha house value will plumet cos of some burk's idea to put a railway through it.
Am sorry that thi wife has to come to MeadowHall anyways, Are ya that much of a Penny-Pincher?
You could buy up a nice stretch of disused Colliery at a reduced price and build a nice house on it, giving work to our local community.
Now that's what I call sense.
Short-sighted am I? Not at all m8. am looking to the future, Trees and grass will be around longer than railways, especially if we have another Dr Beeching in our parliament.
Funny you should also mention the conservatives, That will go down a treat in a staunch Labour Ward such as Barnsley ..LOL

Reply Posted by BusyElf on Monday September 30 2013 at 15:45
if you really want faster trains, Invest the £80 bn in improving the rail system we already have and bring them up to modern standards, in a National Railway system under government control once again. and get them running ON TIME! it has been neglected far too long under privatisation. Make it competitive in the transport sector, as we know that oil prices will inevitable rise. Perhaps revitalise the mining industry while your at it. After all, it was the Conservatives that 'killed' it off, wasn't it?
If you really MUST have HS2, then another Idea would be to join with the French as we did for the Channel Tunnel and Concord, and have the HS2 underground. That way everyone would be happy. Out of sight .. out of mind. Plus the French could run it, again, relinquishing any government responsibility for it. And while they are doing that, link it to the Chunnel so we can get on the train in Sheffield and alight in Paris.. What a thought! all those French people living in Yorkshire and working in Paris, or via versa!

Reply Posted by trev on Monday August 26 2013 at 13:53
Well said strider! Uk used to be the place to look at for industry and we should be leading the way! Not only.should we have hs2 it should have been done years ago!

Links to the capital are important and the jobs it wilk create along the way are much needed! Money has to be spent to improve things. 80 billion sounds alot but its not in the scheme of things! Less money on foreign aidnand more on projects like this!

Could a great country to live in again if we invest in it!!

Reply Posted by Jimmy on Monday August 26 2013 at 14:40
It should have been done at the same time the Channel Tunnel was built and under state ownership. French and Belgian towns actually lobbied to have the route close to them to reap the economic benefits. They've had high-speed lines for over 20 years now, bought & paid for. Their routes are in state hands though and not like ours will be, construction paid for by the taxpayer then given away to people the government went to Eton with.

Our railway network is essentially Victorian and not suited to the speeds demanded by ICE and TGV trains. Even on existing fast lines the clearances are not able to handle the continental loading guage. When British Rail built the Class 91 fleet and Mark 4 coaches to run on the East Coast Main Line through Doncaster they were intended to run at 140mph although they can go faster. To save money they've been restricted to 125mph for the past 22 years.

For a country that gave the world railways we're years behind. At the opening of the Stockton & Darlington Railway in 1825 the firm said that if the tracks & the trains that ran on them weren't owned by the same company it would be a recipe for failure. Seems like we've learned nowt from history.