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Plans For New Supermarkets In Disarray

Wednesday July 17 2013


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PLANS for up to three new supermarkets are in disarray as one proposal has been withdrawn after a lack of interest, one is struggling to attract an operator and a new Sainsbury's could struggle to get planning permission.

Sainsbury's announced plans to create 240 jobs by taking over the B&Q store at Stairfoot last month, after exchanging contracts with the DIY giant.

However, it needs approval from Barnsley Council to lift a restriction limiting the building to the sale of DIY products. Planning permission is also needed for other changes such as demolishing a builder's yard and garden centre.

But a source said its approval is 'unlikely to happen'.

It's understood the council's preferred site for any new supermarket is on Westway on the edge of the town centre - directly opposite Morrison's.

However, Stephen Smith, Sainsbury's property manager for Yorkshire, said it was likely the supermarket chain had already looked at that site and decided it wasn't for them.

He said: "If we do not get planning permission, we will not move in."

Uncertainty surrounding approval for the new Sainsbury's comes in the week it emerged the Westway site is struggling to attract any interest.

Meanwhile the developers behind another supermarket site - off Twibwell Street - have withdrawn their plans due to a lack of interest.

Peel Holdings Ltd wanted to build a 130,000 sq ft development with 700 parking spaces and a petrol station on land which includes the former Comet, a large gas holder, the former MFI and Power House stores.

Cllr Roy Miller said: "It's correct that a decision would rest on the change of use. However, it is still very early days - we haven't received a planning application yet.

"When we do we will then have to work through all the issues, as with any other planning application received."

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Reply Posted by BarnsleyFred on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 13:19
We are DOOMED... Roy's on the GAFF...

Reply Posted by unknown on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 13:28
how many supermarkets does 1 town need.all about greed with barnsley council.depends who comes up with biggest bundle of cash

Reply Posted by @@@@@ on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 13:29
jesus we need the job`s....

Reply Posted by Fawkes on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 13:37
Agreed . But supermarkets is not the only solution .We need companies to relocate to Barnsley that pay a living wage and employ people that are English . So pull your self together BMBC and do something other than patting yourselves on the back for doing absolutely nothing !!

Reply Posted by Hoyland Red on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 13:52
"employ people that are English" ???? are you for real. Why say that?? Would it be alright if everyone that was employed by any new development were all from Sheffield or Rotherham rather than Barnsley???

Reply Posted by Stevo on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 17:48
And why NOT JUST employ people that are English in the new supermarket?

Oh yeah I forgot I cant say that can I as you seem to favour immigrants more than our local town folk with your politically correct namby pamby attitudes.

Fawkes has a valid point and yes HR we have had this conversation before haven't we?

More importantly, why aren't the B&Q staff having the first bite of the cherry?

As the "change of use" from DIY shed to Supermarket requires planning, the Transfer of Undertakings Protection of Employees act (TUPE) does not apply.
Shame though.

IF and I do say if Sainsburys get to change it into a supo , then the former B&Q employees SHOULD be considered first for any jobs created.

Of course this will never happen as the majority of the Sainsburys staff that will be employed will be on low wages and on a part time basis, exactly the same as all the other supermarkets employ part time staff primarily to cut costs.

Reply Posted by Hoyland Red on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 21:40
Ankle biter - Can't the Scots / Welsh / Irish have a job here then? Just the English. Thought your family was a mix of nationalities - I trust you'll be telling them they can't apply - assuming of course you have your slanted way of a white, English, blond hair, blue eyes workforce.

Reply Posted by Stevo on Thursday July 18 2013 at 06:52
The "English" part of the post was a quote from the post that Fawkes put on.
Ok then British, is that any better for you cherub?

You also seem to be calling me a Nazi with the undertone of your reply to my post, nothing could be any further from the truth.

Good job i'm not easily offended isn't it?

Reply Posted by Dave on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 13:44
Why are these three proposed site all within a few hundred meters from existing supermarkets? Surely it would make more sense to look for development sites where there are no other supermarkets near by?

Reply Posted by Mavis on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 14:03
Why not put a supermarket in Wombwell. It could use one. Only got Tesco express!! A bigger better supermarket would be great.

Reply Posted by Beep Beep on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 15:00
Because there is a Morrisons at Cortonwood. Spitting distance from Wombwell. Oh and a Tescos on Wombwell Lane. Why would you need any more? Are you mad?

Reply Posted by Moe. on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 22:49
I agree Mavis , if anyone cares to look at all the other shope on wombwell if defo nees one

Reply Posted by Terry on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 14:15
Why oh WHY are they dragging there heals with the B&Q store? B&Q have made there choice to close the store, so rather than LEAVE IT EMPTY as an EYE sore to the area why not just make the choice and lift the restriction OR is because Tesco's at Stairfoot have MOANED that it is too close. More like they don't want the competition more like!!! As said before its not what is needed its HOW MUCH CASH you have simple as that and its typical of local council to do that. MORE MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS at the end of it all!!!

Reply Posted by Tom on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 14:25
I was hoping the new Sainsbury's would be opposite Morrisons. The supermarkets at Stairfoot are for car drivers. Being a younger person I don't drive due to state sanctioned discrimination and legal manipulation of behaviour (excessive car insurance for young people).
Surely young people priced out of car driving living in the town centres are likely to be decent long term customers, so having a supermarket you can walk to is better than one you can drive to. Or do the supermarkets know something we don't?

Are they going to make it proper easy to claim DLA, so young people can afford legal permission to drive, or perhaps reduce insurance costs?

Reply Posted by Graham on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 14:41
I hope that Barnsley council will grant Sainsbury's the necessary consents to develop a store at Stairfoot as their presence in the town would be a welcome addition to the retail mix.
Such a development would then lead to additional retail units being created on the land adjacent to and beyond the Sainsburys store. This should lead to the creation of a substantial retail park which will be an excellent development. Sadly, this will give rise to a substantial amount of extra traffic and thought will need to be given as to how that traffic is dealt with. Surely it cannot all be expected to arrive and depart via Stairfoot roundabout. Consequently a new road will also be required here. Without giving the matter too much thought, I would imagine that a new road linking the Aldham Bridge area with Hunningley lane would be required, with access in to the newly created retail park.

It is unlikely that Barnsley council will need to have a financial input as I would imagine that it would be funded by the private sector. Is it a scheme which Tankersley based Dransfield Properties would be interested in ?

Reply Posted by Stevo on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 17:54
Graham, not very oftern this happens but on this occasion I concur.

Reply Posted by Andy on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 14:52
Don't worry the travellers will take there place at B,Q

Reply Posted by Mo on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 15:25
Stop voting for the labour council we have then, everyone moans about them but then continues to vote for them. Get rid of the labour council and things might change.

You could pin a red rosette on a donkey in Barnsley and it would 75% of the votes, too many chips on their shoulders after the mining era.

Reply Posted by Stevo on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 17:53
Mo, I wholeheartedly concur.

Just a pity that the rest of the people in our town vote these Labour idiots in year after year after year!

Reply Posted by Mo on Thursday July 18 2013 at 14:29
Most on here will continue moaning but won't be answerable to why they keep voting this labour council in. Hopefully this will change in the future, the mining era as ended, the new school leavers who will soon be voting won't have a chip on their shoulders about the mines closing and therefore it won't be an automatic vote for labour. Give someone else another chance to run our town, maybe then we may start seeing differences.

Reply Posted by Noel on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 15:40
What about the supermarket going to be on Royston Comprehensives old grounds in a village that's got an Asda and a coop. What is that going to be?

Reply Posted by eileen on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 15:59
could do with a supermarket in darfield only got coop and taking busses off to morrisons and so like living in the forgotten village no busses no shops no pubs really dead hole don't live in darfield top field and foulstone school site plenty of land for a supermarket

Reply Posted by grinds my gears on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 16:12
What makes me laugh is that most people on here moaning we don't need another supermarket also moan about the lack of jobs. B&Q is closing FACT, Sainsburys want to use the site,if they don't get permission they walk away. Sainsburys would create jobs whilst if planning permission is not given it would only cause unemployment. Why is barnsley council pushing westway? What is their agenda? When morrisons opened people moaned it would be the death of the town centre, 2stores so close to it doubly so? Also with all the moans about the 'druggies' and 'drunks' in the centre who is going to venture through the centre to get to it

Reply Posted by Stevo on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 17:51
I concur!

Where abouts on Westway anway? Near the bingo hall?
Wouldn't have thought there was enough room there?

They are probably pushing westway as they will own some of the land somewhere along the line and will get a big payday from the sale of the land which they will no doubt squander on another ridiculous project.

Reply Posted by me on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 17:47
Sainsburys are still intrested in the site

Reply Posted by grinds my gears on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 20:55
Surely a large multi-million pound company willing to invest in the area is a good thing. If treated correctly this could be used to attract more companies to the area, but this been barnsley the council will mess up again and scare any future investors away. I mean why invwst in an area where the local authorities try to block you at will and don't seem to care what you can bring to the area

Reply Posted by grind my gears on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 20:59
I do like Grahams idea of turning the area into a retail park, moving some of the chain stores to larger premises to stock more of their ranges and in a two fold move clean up the town centre to cocentrate on specialist shop, boutiques and burgeoning stores

Reply Posted by deano on Thursday July 18 2013 at 18:16
supermarkets and out of town retail parks have already destroyed Barnsley town centre.
if anything these big retailers should be encouraged to use the town centre instead of more out of town areas.

Reply Posted by dantheman on Wednesday July 17 2013 at 21:56
Im more interested in knowing who this 'source' is whose comment the whole article is based on. Somebody who doesn't want to be named is always suspicious to me. Plus, how the Sainsbury's Property Manager doesn't know if they looked at the Westway site I'll never know!

Reply Posted by Paul on Thursday July 18 2013 at 20:31
Wow ... Slow down people, if you lot have not noticed in the last few years we have been in a recession , not our faults but big businesses , councils , governments , we don't need more supermarkets , we need local shops selling local produce.
We need to stop voting labour , because they created the mess that barnsley is in, by trying to make our town into a city . I could go on ,but supermarkets is the moan.
In the last 10 yrs the supermarkets that you all love have made over £90 billion profit ,,where does go ,,well it does,nt go into our communities does it ,,
Wake up people , get off your arses an go local , we will all benefit in the long run

Reply Posted by Rick on Saturday July 20 2013 at 19:19
Stevo - It would be illegal to have a policy to just employ English.

Reply Posted by Stevo on Sunday July 21 2013 at 11:09
Rick, it SHOULD be illegal to employ only eastern Europeans but that doesn't stop a large majority of firms in town.

Reply Posted by D. Man on Saturday July 20 2013 at 20:22
Just to think outside the box a bit, why not turn the B&Q into an 'out of town' indoor market, there's plenty of parking spaces with food vendors nearby, there would be no need to demolish anything, the garden center bit could be an outdoor market or a small ornamental garden with a pond or somethin. It would give people an avenue to start up their own business and maybe flourish and move into the town center. its free parking so it would attract more people from over Sheffield, Rotherham and Doncaster way plus its easy access from the motorway.

Reply Posted by danhall on Sunday July 21 2013 at 14:47
As an ex DIY store manager i'm amazed B&Q stairfoot lasted as long as it did, the huge threat from on-line purchasing was looming over 10 years ago when I worked for their competitor (which is why I changed career)... Sainburys are a different style of employer to B&Q but this is because slow paced, higher ticket retail is different to fast paced lower margin food retail... sainburys are not a bad firm to work for, managers treat employees with respect, but doubt they'll allow employees to stand around and talk in groups of 2 and 3 while seemingly trying to actively avoid customers who want their help, often on approaching these little clicks they scatter in all directions except the customers.... funny to see though! obviously no offence meant, some of the B&Q staff their are brilliant and cant do enough to help

Reply Posted by Jon on Monday July 22 2013 at 16:47
Roy Miller says... One day you'll do a report which comments on Roy Miller doing something instead of just talking about it. If Roy's on the game then expect a derelict building and 18 months of empty promises as he'll drag it out for more meetings so he can get expenses.
Is there no one else that you can get to comment on stuff for the council instead of Mr broken record. Perhaps he ought to be working on behalf of his elected parish instead of commenting on anything and everything else that he doesn't get done.

Reply Posted by Debbie on Tuesday July 23 2013 at 00:16
Don't need any more supermarkets in Barnsley, just like we don't need another in Royston, another Supermarket will just take trade away from others & this will have a knock on effect resulting in job losses, Barnsley needs some better shops to bring in outside shoppers, you are ok to shop if you like pound shops or charity shops!

Reply Posted by jules on Tuesday July 23 2013 at 05:38
End of day our opinions dont count for owt does it matter what supermarket goes where and how its the public that choose where to shop at end of it so its not goner matter I WILL AlWAYS USE ASDA as my main supermarket end of day they all only see pound signs ££££££££££££££

Reply Posted by Me on Tuesday July 23 2013 at 07:51
Goldthorpe n thurnscoe could do with better super market then asda. That charges a fortune. They dont flog items like in bigger stores which are cheaper. Local shops charge more cause they think if ya need it u will pay. Towns got it all on that one stretch uve got a lidl n morrisons both cheaper than asda. Council should consider bus route s when they build food stores as folk cant drive pay for taxis. Aldi at wath is out of way if u dont drive

Reply Posted by Melanie on Sunday October 20 2013 at 14:05
Posted by Melanie on Sunday 20th October 2013 at 12:59pm
I find it very difficult to believe that people think this is a good thing for Stairfoot. Do we not have a Tesco ? Do we not have an Aldi ? Do we not have a huge Asda a stones throw away from Stairfoot ? Where is the nearest DIY superstore if we lose B&Q ? A DIY store that will offer as much as the current B&Q ? As for 240 jobs being created...what about the jobs that will be lost ? People being made redundant,people of a certain age that will find it difficult to find another job. It is my belief that the current staff at B&Q will not be given any preferential treatment ,they will be given an interview but have no guarantee of a position within Sainsburys ! Is another superstore really what we need? I am both disgusted and disappointed and strongly believe that we need to put a stop to this before it is set in stone.What has Sainsburys got to offer that we can't get at either Tescos cheaper or Aldi even cheaper !!! B&Q serves the people of Barnsley very well.The staff are brilliant and nothing is too much trouble for them.I think it will be a great loss to the community if this was to go ahead.I thought B&Q cared about their staff,it seems to me that they are yet another company overcome by greed !

Reply Posted by harry on Sunday October 20 2013 at 14:23
b & q far too expensive,sainsburys would give you more competition,more jobs,more choice,how many does b&q employ at stairfoot,not 240,