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Residents Complain About Chanting Apostles

Thursday June 27 2013


Apostles in woods Apostles in woods


RESIDENTS have written to a social housing landlord to complain about the noise being made by members of a religious sect during their early morning prayers.

Learnard Radzokota and his Christian group the Friday Apostles, don white robes and regularly pray and chant in woodland behind a New Lodge estate at 5.30am.

However, some residents on the estate have complained to Mr Radzokota's landlord, Yorkshire Housing, about the disturbance being caused by the prayer ritual.

Learnard, of New Lodge Crescent, said most people wanted to understand more about the Friday Apostles when they were revealed as the mystery worshippers just a matter of weeks ago.

"However, others just wrote letters to Yorkshire Housing saying because of the praying in the wood, and at our house, we need to be removed from our accommodation," he said.

But Learnard - also known as Father Isaiah - said they have little choice but to pray outdoors as they do not have a building to worship in.

"We have been looking been looking for a place in Barnsley where we can congregate but we're struggling to get a permanent place," he said.

"As we don't have a permanent place of worship in Barnsley, we sometimes carry out our early morning prayers in the wilderness.

"In Africa, all our church members carry out their services in the open space, commonly called wilderness, because by praying in the wilderness we are close to nature and God."

Celia Cashman, of Yorkshire Housing, said it firmly supports the right of people to worship in the way they choose.

"However, it was brought to our attention that religious meetings hosted by Mr Radzokota, at his home, had been causing a level of noise which had affected his neighbours at various times of the day.

"We're keen to work with Mr Radzokota and his neighbours to find a compromise which suits both parties.

"We have been trying to help Mr Radzokota find a more suitable venue for his religious meetings, such as a local community centre or a nearby church hall."

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Reply Posted by mine on Thursday June 27 2013 at 10:42
big difference you aint in ****** africa,,
someone should go up n set some ****** snares n shit,teach the fuckers a lesson,

Reply Posted by John on Thursday June 27 2013 at 10:44
There used to be something similar happening early mornings down by the fleets at Honeywell quite some time ago, but this has ceased..
I think there had been complaints, and might have been in the Chronicle at the time.

Reply Posted by doomby on Thursday June 27 2013 at 10:50
Oh dear "mine", you are a very, very sad, uneducated individual. If you knew anything about the world in which you live, you'd know that we are all from Africa.

Reply Posted by king hell the third on Thursday June 27 2013 at 11:30
What is the difference between someone
doing meditation and a park full of drunken drugged up kids at night..?
The first arnt drunk and drugged up you incensitive asshole.

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 17:30
getting drunk in the park is a coming of age thing, we've all done it one time or another, im not sure about the drugs, that relatively new, but drinking is deffo a coming of age thing

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 11:54
well, mine, is actually right, doomby and kill hell the third, just because someone has a different opinion on something doesn't mean they're sad or uneducated, or insensitive, end of the day, if they're waking people up at half 5 in the morning by chanting and making noise then they should be made to stop, because it's not fair on the other residents, and yes we all came from Africa originally as a species, but if you wanna be a real smart arse about it then we all came from the sea originally, but that is besides the point, if they can pray in the 'wilderness' they they can surely take a walk down from new lodge and go in the fields across from the golf course out of the way, i'd be pissed off if i were being woken up at daft o'clock

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 11:54
well, mine, is actually right, doomby and kill hell the third, just because someone has a different opinion on something doesn't mean they're sad or uneducated, or insensitive, end of the day, if they're waking people up at half 5 in the morning by chanting and making noise then they should be made to stop, because it's not fair on the other residents, and yes we all came from Africa originally as a species, but if you wanna be a real smart arse about it then we all came from the sea originally, but that is besides the point, if they can pray in the 'wilderness' they they can surely take a walk down from new lodge and go in the fields across from the golf course out of the way, i'd be pissed off if i were being woken up at daft o'clock

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 11:54
well, mine, is actually right, doomby and kill hell the third, just because someone has a different opinion on something doesn't mean they're sad or uneducated, or insensitive, end of the day, if they're waking people up at half 5 in the morning by chanting and making noise then they should be made to stop, because it's not fair on the other residents, and yes we all came from Africa originally as a species, but if you wanna be a real smart arse about it then we all came from the sea originally, but that is besides the point, if they can pray in the 'wilderness' they they can surely take a walk down from new lodge and go in the fields across from the golf course out of the way, i'd be pissed off if i were being woken up at daft o'clock

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 11:54
well, mine, is actually right, doomby and kill hell the third, just because someone has a different opinion on something doesn't mean they're sad or uneducated, or insensitive, end of the day, if they're waking people up at half 5 in the morning by chanting and making noise then they should be made to stop, because it's not fair on the other residents, and yes we all came from Africa originally as a species, but if you wanna be a real smart arse about it then we all came from the sea originally, but that is besides the point, if they can pray in the 'wilderness' they they can surely take a walk down from new lodge and go in the fields across from the golf course out of the way, i'd be pissed off if i were being woken up at daft o'clock

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 11:54
well, mine, is actually right, doomby and kill hell the third, just because someone has a different opinion on something doesn't mean they're sad or uneducated, or insensitive, end of the day, if they're waking people up at half 5 in the morning by chanting and making noise then they should be made to stop, because it's not fair on the other residents, and yes we all came from Africa originally as a species, but if you wanna be a real smart arse about it then we all came from the sea originally, but that is besides the point, if they can pray in the 'wilderness' they they can surely take a walk down from new lodge and go in the fields across from the golf course out of the way, i'd be pissed off if i were being woken up at daft o'clock

Reply Posted by doomby on Thursday June 27 2013 at 12:55
Aidan, after millions of years of evolution, if that's the best argument you can make, you may have been better staying in the sea, although the whale song would probably nark you just as much.

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 15:11
end of the day, you wouldnt want to be woken up in the middle of the night or stupidly early morning by a group of people making a load of noise would you? all i've done is effective and reasonably put out there a solution. make them go futher away so there aren't any houses close by

Reply Posted by craig on Thursday June 27 2013 at 16:45
doomby, you are a muppet mate dont stgart a stupid argument.

Reply Posted by laura on Thursday June 27 2013 at 13:02
well said aidan, i would be very pist if i was getting woken up early, some have kids, work nights extra, people should have consideration for others xx

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 15:06
doomby well after millions of years of evolution the best argument you can make is that 'we all came from Africa' as a response to someone stating that african culture and laws dont apply here in barnsley, that the custom of making a racket a half 5 in the morning is not one that is part of barnsley's culture nor is it accepted, however, getting pissed in the park at 14-15 years old is and has been for many years. end of the day, your argument is invalid about being from africa or whatever

Reply Posted by doomby on Thursday June 27 2013 at 16:19
Which is it? End of the day, middle of the night or stupidly early morning? Dude, give quiche a chance!

Reply Posted by Aidan on Thursday June 27 2013 at 17:24
what the **** are you on about?

Reply Posted by trees on Thursday June 27 2013 at 18:06
Why don't the idiots just stay in bed a bit longer and pray when everyone else is getting up at 7/8? Half 5 ffs, why on earth would you get up at that time by choice?

Reply Posted by Grim on Thursday June 27 2013 at 18:53
They can come down our end if they want theres plenty of wasteland for em to pray on.

Reply Posted by Grim on Thursday June 27 2013 at 20:15
Why are they here anyway?
More African immigrants to feed, clothe and home for free,

Reply Posted by The Real Grim on Wednesday July 3 2013 at 18:17
As the real grim I do not appreciate such comments posted as me. see above. Get your own moniker. I will be changing mine now Troll.

Reply Posted by . on Thursday June 27 2013 at 21:39
chanting noises and peaceful prayer / or teens underage drinkin getting in trouble screaming and shouting ???
id rather this than teens getting pissed i think. people just get too heated over silly things when did people start being so up tight??? oh yea when our governments ****** up our country and made us all miserable be happy and spread kindness and love x

Reply Posted by Rate Payer on Friday June 28 2013 at 02:25
When in Rome !!!
If yer don't like this place we call home and our culture
Then FOOK OFF back to where yer came from and tek yer chanting FOOKING BUDDIES with yer

Reply Posted by king hell the third on Friday June 28 2013 at 23:28
People always talk bollocks on thes pages.
When in rome.
You talk absolute shit and what do the english do in benidorm or other cheap holidays.
Yes the polite travellers from great britain.
The respectfull people of this land.
Yes they get pissed up vomit all over the streets pull there trousers down showin there arse waving there small penies around and shouting at the local tallent to get there tits out.......
Get an education and think before you make out were so perfect

Reply Posted by king hell the third on Friday June 28 2013 at 23:52
Aidan you know nothing about culture or the law drugs have been going through peoples bodys for over two thousand years.....not a recent thing..
Drinking and getting rat arsed and humping somebody elses won is another trait thats been done for thousands of years ...not a recent thing.
And before you or anyone else critisises any foreigners i suggest you go have d n a
done you may learn that you too are foreign in fact i bet 80% of you come from somewhere else. wouldnt be sick if you found you were from india or pakistan not 2 or 3 hundred years ago.
You would have to top yourself out of shame that your pulling your own people down

Reply Posted by stevo on Saturday June 29 2013 at 03:56
Don't know why you bother Les, its like trying to knock a nail in a knot sometimes on here.

Reply Posted by Aidan on Tuesday July 2 2013 at 16:34
well i don't need a DNA test to know my roots, I'm Hungarian and the family tree runs back to 1460's in Szombathely,Hungary. however, Barnsley is my home, it's where i grew up it's where my friends are, i accept and embrace the culture and the traditions of the town. so no i dont have to top myself just yet. :) where are your roots?

Reply Posted by king hell the third on Saturday June 29 2013 at 23:11
Stevo if you read this acknowledge. .
I will give you something to listen to.that is more interesting than this crap will check at noon tomorrow. sun...

Reply Posted by Ry. on Sunday June 30 2013 at 15:40
It's not our culture is it? It's not their country is it? They want a building to go and pray in then they ought to pay and build it themselves didn't they?

Reply Posted by Daz on Sunday June 30 2013 at 16:01
Oh god just what the town needs, a group of religious fruit cakes.

Reply Posted by king hell the third on Sunday June 30 2013 at 16:01
What is our culture..
Without saying . is it

Reply Posted by Bibile on Sunday June 30 2013 at 16:07
It's fine if thay wanna pray but thay can do it in there own country not ours

Reply Posted by LV on Sunday June 30 2013 at 16:08
It doesn't matter what they are doing, they should be aware of the time and move further away from residential areas at those times, I get woke up at similar hours by drunken folk walking home from town - I go to the window and tell them to be quiet - but even when drunk they should have consideration for the fact that people are trying to sleep.

The Friday Apostles are aware of what time it is and that people are sleeping, they have moved out into open space to carry out their prayers due to complaints from the neighbours; in light of this they should be aware of how close they are to residential areas and seek advice from people in nearby areas to ask if they were disturbed at all.

Reply Posted by Jesus christ on Sunday June 30 2013 at 16:19
Amen to that brother

Reply Posted by Jon on Sunday June 30 2013 at 17:31
I really don't think there can be many places as racist , insular and narrow minded as the comments on here make Barnsley appear to be .
The attitudes of many Barnsley folk disgusts me

Reply Posted by Jen on Sunday June 30 2013 at 19:56
Here here Jon!

Reply Posted by king hell the third on Sunday June 30 2013 at 21:54
Well ry as you didnt respond at all.
I take it you either have no culture or you dont no what the word means.
I take it that you dont buy clothes or shoes
or go to a takeaway or own a car or a mobile phone or computor.or a mattress on your bed or tv or drink tea or coffee
or have a washing machine or microwave
or have a carpet on your floor.or furniture or motorcycle. i could keep going for another 30 minutes .
So you despise foreigners so much and you think they take all your jobs well look at your own families parents etc where did they work and why now is everything made abroad and sold to you cheaply.
I dont think you people are racist.
I think you are either ignorant.or thick.
Thats why your not making cheap phones
and things leave other people to live there
lives. they dont stop you living yours

Reply Posted by Her Indoors on Tuesday July 2 2013 at 21:23
I live smack in front of where they have been praying and chanting etc...they are going down the backs of Standhill Crescent, New Lodge...its not what they are doing that's the problem, its the chuffin' time of day they are doing it!! I couldn't give a monkeys what they want to do down there as long as I'm not being woken up at daft o'clock because of it.

Reply Posted by donna on Wednesday July 3 2013 at 00:06
Hmmm not convinced, if your tierd ull sleep through anything. Think mountain and mole hill springs to mind. They have a right to do as they please as its a free country. If your not happy noise level can be monitored but bet it's under the legal limit. And I would rather have them living Nxt door to me than have half the scroats that hang about the town center. Give me singing over, syringes and sirens anyday.

Reply Posted by The Real Grim on Wednesday July 3 2013 at 18:16
Can I just say that I Grim did not put the comments above. I was hijacked as many others have been. As a result I will no longer use the name Grim after today.

I find it very sad that someone has nothing better to do than be a troll.

My actual thoughts on the subject is that no not every teenager gets drunk in the park and that is a poor argument. All religious people should be allowed to pray even at 5.30am. Not that half of you on here have ever seen that time as most of you do not get up until lunch time. Plus the same bigoted comments posted on here are usually by children and as such should be invalid as they obviously shoulb ne seen and not heard until they reach an age were they can act and talk responsibly. Instead of like twerpy teenagers.

Reply Posted by king hell the third on Wednesday July 3 2013 at 22:19
Aidan i dont think you read and understood anything that i wrote.
The story was about people hating foreigners when we all originate from somewhere else so therefore we are all foreign.
And seen as you ask im scandinavian and my wife originates from spain. and i have no. dislikes of what any culture does apart from war.
As far as noise is concerned traffic makes the worst noise.
If they lived in insbruck austria they would have to listen to church bells ringing all the time.
There are all different kinds of noise.
What about when its hot and your all out with barbys till late with music playing