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Is The HS2 Worth It? A WAB Debate

Thursday May 16 2013


HS2 - Is it worth it? HS2 - Is it worth it?


HAVE you heard the latest news about the HS2 rail link? Is it worth the money? Have your say on our WAB Debate.

The high-speed line, which will eventually run through South Yorkshire, has an estimated £3.3bn funding gap and the benefits for the economy are "unclear", the National Audit Office have said.

What do you think? Are you for or against the proposed plans? Is it worth the predicted £33bn of taxpayers' money?

Have your say on our WAB Debate.

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Reply Posted by mark on Thursday May 16 2013 at 13:10
can anyone tell me what it will bring in real terms to the Barnsley economy ?

Reply Posted by Grim on Thursday May 16 2013 at 13:51
It will bring nothing to Barnsley except for the mess created by all the laying of tracks and tunnels.
There is no stop planned at Barnsley and the tickets will be too expensive for families and it will be full of cooperate types (if anyone actually uses it).
All the building jobs will be for huge London and South East companies. They will recruit the staff nationally but probably yet again from London.
It only knocks a few minutes off the existing trip too.
We are struggling as a nation do we really want money wasting on something that when finished will be out of date?

Reply Posted by nab on Thursday May 16 2013 at 13:54
what a waste of money should spend it on skill centres to help people find work

Reply Posted by mick on Thursday May 16 2013 at 16:34
It will only benefit Londoners . Its an absolute waste of money. As for Barnsley it just cuts straight throught three country parks.Destroying what bit of greenery we have in the East of Barnsley

Reply Posted by les on Thursday May 16 2013 at 17:06
I think its a brilliant idea. what else has the government got to spend all the billions on that they reckon we havnt got.
Its no different to barnsley council spending millions of pounds that they havnt got either.
I just wish i could spend thousands on things i havnt got the money to pay for

Reply Posted by stevo on Thursday May 16 2013 at 17:55
A complete and utter waste of time, effort and green belt land.

HS2 will only get people into London quicker.

Every major infrastructure project goes massively overbudget in this country and the £33 + £3 Billion would only be the tip of the iceberg.

Thanks but no thanks

Reply Posted by Cathy on Thursday May 16 2013 at 18:14
In my opinion its not value for money. Huge capital investment for little or no national gain.
I hope the plans are reviewed and scrapped.

Reply Posted by Paul on Friday May 17 2013 at 09:39
Money better spent improving the existing rail network between Sheffield, Leeds & Manchester and other major towns for the hundreds of thousands that travel every day instead of a few senior executives to travel to and from London and save a few minutes. What is wrong with a major upgrade from Sheffield to London and the East Coast mainline in and out of Doncaster and York. That work would generate economic activity.

Reply Posted by Robert on Saturday May 18 2013 at 11:39
This will be a fantastic opportunity for the people of the north. My business would benefit by having shorter times to the capital, therefore creating employment within my company. I understand what some people are saying and I hear them on FM, but ANYTHING that gives at least a little light to this area, must be worth the investment. It costs £160,000 per missile to kill an innocent family in Afghanistan... I'd rather they invest the money in HS2... and read the maps! Every track has to have sidings! Who knows, Cudworth might get it's station back... it has been mentioned!

Reply Posted by mark on Saturday May 18 2013 at 11:51
What does this bring for us? What does this actually do? Knock a few minutes of travelling times. It doesnt even stop off at Barnsley. All it will do is put prices up because business men in London will be able to afford a house up north,and for those that don't have much won't be able to afford a friggin house.
Stupid idea ,very stupid. The money should be spent on other things like housing and for those that don't have much. Stupid idea.

Reply Posted by Gary on Saturday May 18 2013 at 12:07
Nothing in it for Barnsley, only Sheffield and Leeds and the Londoners will benefit from this. only grief and misery for the people and towns the work will affect, drop in property prices etc. Not really sure what the problems may be caused when the old mine workings are crossed, would probably go under where 3 old mines in Hoyland area alone were sited, at Skiers Spring, Rockingham and Platts Common. It must be opposed, contact your MP and raise your concerns, i have already done this.

Reply Posted by mathew sedgwick on Saturday May 18 2013 at 12:17
i think its money that could be spent on improving britain for the better not for another rail line we already have, all to save a little time on commutes its just silly! i read an article on the hs2 and the rail network reckon its coming and theres nothing wel be able to do, they say we are in the dark ages compared to hong kong, america, etc and britain should be at the front in bringing britain into the future, what a waste of money i say but the money short fall they have they reckon this isnt a problem, as us tax payers will sum up the debt no doubt!!

Reply Posted by claire on Saturday May 18 2013 at 12:20
must be on the go ahead is ive seen national rail inspecting the foundations on the old cudworth rail foundations when out with my dog, but in my eyes a waste of money and spoiling the greenery we have left...

Reply Posted by Bigger Picture on Saturday May 18 2013 at 12:49
I have concerns over the vast amount of money this project will consume...£32billion, the £3 billion funding gap is part of that figure by the way. People of Barnsley, you are right, there will be no stop here and the reason for that....why would thry...what can Barnsley offer? The idea behind the project is connectivity...Yorkshire to Birmingham and the Capital - people of Barnsley will have to do what they do now...get a train to Meadowhall / Sheffield to get to London. The reason this massive bulding project is bring proposed? It's not a vanity project or a waste of money, it's about 'future-proofing our Rail Infrastructure because the UK Rail infrastructure is almost at capacity currently...the predicted growth of freight traffic alone far outstrips what the current capacity can take and the domestic network can't be upgraded because of the same NIMBY attitudes as we see above.
People of the UK, stop being selfish snd short sighted and think of the bigger picture and how this country grows in decades not next week....

Reply Posted by shaun on Sunday May 19 2013 at 19:55
i have to agree with Bigger Picture here...

Reply Posted by Roy on Saturday May 18 2013 at 13:03
Economy is on its backside, country is in massive debt, politicians screwing tax payers money for 2nd homes and fancy breakfasts...oh yeah, lets spend more money we dont have...another project that will more than likely over run budget, and in time will be more costly to maintain...not short sighted, realistic!

Reply Posted by Look at the other side on Sunday May 19 2013 at 23:17
So yeah we won't get a train from Barnsley to London, but is it so difficult to travel to Meadowhall to get on one? You say the cost will be too much, well it works out cheaper than road tax, insurance, petrol and parking to get there! What about those who have to travel for work? It will help them and help raise funds and possibly create the opportunity for more jobs. Do you really want to keep living in the dark ages or move forward with the times? The only problem people in Barnsley have is they don't like change. Yes, it will cost money to start it, but that money will come back from travelling. And as for saying about the green belt, well is it better that everyone has a car and drives then, causes g pollution, or is it better to try and use public transport which isn't as bad! Or if you don't drive or travel, do you never go anywhere other than by foot then? I know I couldn't be without transport of any kind. It's swings and roundabouts like anything else! All you're doing is looking for fault in something because its something all the British public like to do and complain,that's when they're happiest. Look at the other side, Britain is so far behind other countries and if we're ever going to get out of the mess we're in we need to move forward and into the present times, not stuck in the 50's still, because we are!

Reply Posted by Gill on Tuesday May 21 2013 at 12:52
What will HS2 bring to Barnsley ? Misery. Think of a road or rail route into the Town from the south and it will be disrupted. The mainline will have to be closed for extended periods whilst they construct the new viaduct which will pass diagonally over the current Victorian bridge at Swaithe. Rail services into Barnsley are likely to be permanently reduced - as most of the fast trains to Leeds from Meadowhall will be HS2. Wombwell Lane, chaotic now - try to envisage the chaos as the road is moved to enable the line to cross from near the new Halfords under Ardsley. I think HS2 may well be the final nail in the town centres coffin and the politicians and businessmen who fail to recognise this need to finally start to take note. The route remains secret to those in Barnsley who dont have internet access and the Council seems determined to keep it that way.

Reply Posted by jus on Saturday May 25 2013 at 09:49
That money could be used to build more one and two bed houses for those having to pay bedroom tax.
They can build on the land allocated for the rail lines, plus they could use the money to train the unemployed. This will give the unemployed training, and give them a trade at the end of it. Why waste money and land on something that's no good to us

Reply Posted by craigy b on Tuesday May 28 2013 at 19:21
Jus are you for real?
Why the hell should the government build more one or two bedroom houses for those having to pay the bedroom tax?
Get out and get a job and buy your own property if it means that much to you.

Reply Posted by What about on Thursday June 12 2014 at 20:03
Everyone who disagrees is not small minded but realistic
To everyone who this will be benefit too that's great with jobs ECT !!
But are our council considering helping the unemployed with more jobs and skills and helping the people made redundant or homeless or the extra bedroom tax ECT they can not ignore our in and around town people !!! And using billions
And forget us they need some more budgeting for the burrows of Barnsley and the people who reside there !!! No doubt