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Grimethorpe Residents Ask Council To Take Ownership Of Land

Thursday April 11 2013


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RESIDENTS in Grimethorpe have asked Barnsley Council to take back the ownership of a dyke and green, as it's costing £16,000 a year to maintain.

Dave Milner, who's the spokesman for the estate, said a meeting will be held on Monday at Barnsley Council with resident representatives, Barnsley Council leader Steve Houghton and local councillors.

The £80 a year charge for each household is written in the deeds of the properties.

Mr Milner said a green space for residents was part of the plans when the homes were built about two years ago.

But he said residents are forking out the maintenance costs when everyone else is using the area.

"It has footpaths along it and people from anywhere in the village walk their dogs through there and horses are put to graze down there," he said.

If residents do not pay the upkeep costs Dave says they cannot sell their homes as the debt needs to be paid beforehand.

Maintenance includes cutting the grass and keeping the dyke clear of rubbish, he added.

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Reply Posted by John on Thursday April 11 2013 at 12:09
Did the residents know they would have to pay the upkeep costs before they bought their property? Yes? Well get it paid!

Reply Posted by Kerry on Thursday April 11 2013 at 13:31
Yes, the charge was written into our deeds - but it also stated that the land would be for sole use of the resident of the estate, not for the general public to use, dogs to fowl the land and horses to graze on.

Also Dave Milner doesn't own one of the houses on the estate, he has been assigned as the spokesperson for the estate, he is the post master of the local post office.

Reply Posted by Kerry on Thursday April 11 2013 at 14:57
There are also other things are also written into the deeds, but nobody seems to be able to enforce them such as:

"To Let" boards are not to be displayed on the gardens (they have to be inside the property)
Commercial vehicles are not to be parked on the estate by owners (IE Scrap waggons, large transit vans... etc)
Caravans & Camper Vans are forbidden to be parked on roads or driveways


All these other covenants that are in the deeds have been broken by several homes, the council won't do anything, Haslam say it is nothing to do with them - so what is the point of them being in the deeds ??

Reply Posted by Terry on Thursday April 11 2013 at 12:48
Dave Milner is in fact the Post Office master who lives above the Post Office on High Street.
The estate is also called ALLEGRO COURT ESTATE, Not Kingsway Estate

I know, as I live there myself.
And yes, the charge was mentioned in the legal park when we purchased the houses, however we were under the impression that the "green space" would be a private plot of land for the use of the residents of the Allegro Court Estate only .... Instead we have horses dumped on the ground, and the company in charge of the upkeep of the land I have never seen in the whole 5 years I have lived here.

Reply Posted by Terry on Thursday April 11 2013 at 12:49
Whoops - that should have said "legal pack" -- not park.. lol

Reply Posted by Rick on Thursday April 11 2013 at 14:05
I used to live in Hemsworth and had to pay for the upkeep of Hemsworth Water Park in my council tax but there's a lot of people that use it in the summer especially that don't actually live in the Hemsworth Town Council area. You signed the deeds, if its not a public area and it belongs to the estate and you are paying for it, then the Public are in effect trespassing, trespassing is a civil matter so feel free to take each and every person to court for it, at your own expense of course.

Reply Posted by Rick on Thursday April 11 2013 at 19:09
A green is an open space, granted not public but how do you police and stop someone who does not live on the estate using it? If you fence it off, the residents cannot use it. If the council do take ownership, nothing will change as to people dog walking etc. As for signage, commercial vehicles, caravans, fair enough not on the roads/pavements but if I'd have paid hundreds of thousands of pounds for a property, who's business is it of anyone else that I have my van or caravan on my property? If a van comes with my job, where am I to park it?

Reply Posted by Kerry on Thursday April 11 2013 at 20:05
You agree when you purchase the house that you will agree to the covenants placed on the property, you sign a contract which is then also registered with a solicitor.

Therefore if the covenants state you are not allowed commercial vehicles or caravans to be parked on the estate and you break these covenants then you are in breach of your contract.
If you have a commercial vehicle or a caravan and are planning to purchase a property with such covenants in place then I suggest you look at another property without the covenants - they are in place to make the estate look cleaner.

Reply Posted by Grim on Tuesday April 16 2013 at 19:01
We have the same issues on our estate with regards to some people abusing the deed covenants. We have campervans, caravans, works vans plus nearly everyone has ripped out the trees and block paved their fronts. Plus some houses have been resold and I am guessing that the new owners do not know anyway.

Trouble is that most people in society think they can do what they want and are shocked to be told they cant and then angry.

Sorry but it seems that you will have to pay the £80 and put up with dog muck and campervans just like the rest of us.

I cannot wait to live in the middle of nowhere with no neighbours at all!

Reply Posted by baz on Monday April 15 2013 at 22:18
it should be council maintained as its a public place what the hell do you pay your council taxes for , same as any estate up and down this country the council maintain public places , these guys are right to want the council to pick up the tab for this while other from off the estate are using this , these guys have done nothing wrong just bough a house in the wrong area

Reply Posted by bone man on Wednesday April 17 2013 at 17:27
Ha ha , and i thiought i had it bad with my neighbours ,, who dumps a horse ??? bloody grimethorpe gypsy cod heads !

Reply Posted by Dawn on Wednesday April 17 2013 at 17:34
I have to say i dont believe there is a cat in hells chance of barnsley council taking that land back they are at this moment out to fleece anyone they can by checking deeds house plans etc. to see if there is anyway to extort money out of us Barnsley folk and believe me this is true as my husband and i have been in dispute over access to our land for 2 years and have had to involve solicitors .They are a set of greedy B******ds who dont give a stuff about anyone only their highly inflated salaries .

Reply Posted by andy s on Wednesday April 17 2013 at 17:46
barnsley council rocks,it aint there problem,phone tesco see if they want the horse






Reply Posted by bone man on Wednesday April 17 2013 at 18:07
Its true Dawn ,,,, the greedy Fat cat B******s in their ivory towers are after extorting every panny from us !!!
But we are proud Barnsley folk , and we stand together !!!! only way to get money out of our pockets is with a good deal on a bucket of buchers best tripe or a 2-4-1 offer on WKD int tarn !!!!

Reply Posted by kim,jung sun on Sunday April 21 2013 at 17:07
i will take care of it with a neuclear test as i is runnin outta space in my own country and the yanks are watchin