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Council Reveals Gypsy And Traveller Site Plans

Monday August 6 2012



A COUNCIL report has highlighted potential locations for new gypsy and traveller sites in Barnsley.

Sites in Darfield and Carlton have been earmarked as ideal locations for new gypsy sites as the council has been told by the government that it must provide space for 39 more pitches by 2016.

One suggested location is behind the former filling station on Doncaster Road (on land which borders with Ardsley), and the other is on land to the south of Shaw Lane, Carlton.

The plans are now out for public consultation and will be available to view at Wombwell Library on August 10 from 10am-2pm.

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Reply Posted by king louis on Monday August 6 2012 at 12:58
Carlton gets my vote, Ardsley/Darfield is far too close for my comfort to have all those police chases ending at the gypsy camp. Their disregard for life has been shown on TV by police stop and the likes and so they are always better farthest away from me ...I VOTE CARLTON

Reply Posted by ann evans on Monday August 6 2012 at 13:47
Shaw lane at carlton is a very busy road already and would be made worse by placing a gypsy site there.they have to find somewhere away from housing estates,communities do not want them why should the price of our houses drop because they are living nearby.put them far away from decent working people i do not want them in Carlton........

Reply Posted by Lynn on Monday September 3 2012 at 11:36
Totally agree - Got a flyer yesterday re the Carlton proposal & a residents meeting regarding it yesterdaty.................It's all very well saying Carlton gets the vote, this is also a residential area where they are looking to put it!!
The Council have already devalued our properties & graced us with one great big eyesore in the monstrosity of a school they erected on Greenbelt land which they railroaded through despite all residents being up in arms about it. Funny old thing they didn't send any letters out about that to actual residents either!!!
The last time we had Gypsy's squatting in this area a young man attacked me late at night at my home which the police could only put down to their presence in the area.
Don't get me wrong I agree they should have somewhere to go & not all are bad but sadly the ones who are make a bad name for them all. Put a camp away from residential areas if they must put one anywhere.
Pogmoor & Ardsley didn't want this camp in their areas, well neither do we!!!

Reply Posted by Lynn on Monday September 3 2012 at 12:23
I will add before anyone goes off in one, that I grew up around gypsys and agree with some if the comments left by respectable ones on here. No they are not all bad, in fact some are great! We had support from a great family close by when we had a horse in the next field to them but sadly as many have said some "travellers" are not of true decent and have no morals, hygiene, manners etc etc

Reply Posted by Dave on Monday August 6 2012 at 14:04
What wrong with wood head pass, that would be perfect, don't you think?

Reply Posted by cheryll evans on Monday August 6 2012 at 14:42
hiow about the town hall car park no didnt think so ,so why should we have them in our back gardens

Reply Posted by Dave on Monday August 6 2012 at 16:38
Nice one Cheryll, great idea. I live in Darfield and have CCTV of a gypsy delivering a quad across the road on our street, before he drove off he urinated at the side of his van with kids playing on street. The quad was provably nicked, but that of course is just my opinion.

Reply Posted by Richard on Monday August 6 2012 at 18:35
Travellers? Keep travelling.

Reply Posted by NEIL on Monday August 6 2012 at 20:34
weve got too many in carlton already,WEVE got a campsite at smithies already,so think weve got are share already ,I VOTE IN MIDDLE OF THAT FIELD DOWN THE M1 .ABOUT JUNCTION 1 I THINK LOL too much stuff get took out of gardens already,youve got to have ya eyes and ears open all time,

Reply Posted by mart on Monday August 6 2012 at 21:00
town hall car park , is that why its got big fence around to lock em in ,carlton a BIG BIG NO NO

Reply Posted by Rubygloom on Monday August 6 2012 at 21:06
They'd set up camp on the car park of the Claycliffe Business Park at Barugh Green last weekend - we went to one of the units on Sunday and the area was just strewn with litter, and dirty nappies, just wanged anywhere.
Like someone else said - they should keep travelling...

Reply Posted by boston on Monday August 6 2012 at 21:14
will they pay rent and rates on the 39 pitches ? or will it be down too us mugs who pay our taxes ! . They are travellers so why do they need pitches in the first place .

Reply Posted by lesley on Monday August 6 2012 at 21:18
Every village, town and city has a community made up of good and bad, honest people and thieves, criminals and law abider's. How many people who have posted have written true facts or are they media myths. Gypsies have a right to a home and in the style they choose. Im surprised that 'We are Barnsley' are allowing for this serious example of inciting racial hatred to be published - the sites are doomed before they're even built. Its an open invitation for trouble causers and racists to visit these sites are cause damage and ill-feeling to the families and CHILDREN who will live there. Live and let live - we are all human beings!!!

Reply Posted by caz on Saturday August 11 2012 at 09:49
Lesley...Do you live in Cawthorne, or are you a traveller?, cos you seem to be the only one defending them!!!!

Reply Posted by Tracey Butters on Saturday August 11 2012 at 21:25
Live and let them live in your garden then! Not mine!

Reply Posted by Rob on Wednesday November 26 2014 at 23:22
I really feel you are completely missing the point, I know a great deal of gipsy's and wouldn't trust one of them! Even though I do business with them, you are truly deluded, local people do-not attack these sites as to do so would leave you very much the worse for wear! I am very respectful to people's views, however it's attitudes like this that cause the problem's we have today.

Reply Posted by andy on Monday August 6 2012 at 21:20
The Travellers have left a trail of destruction in their wake in areas near to the old Barnsley main pit site. They have total disregard for for any moral or civil duty to behave responsibly. The site at Darfield is not acceptable. It will ruin a area that is becoming more natural. Travellers sites are no go areas for most, they are intimdating places and become so far removed from society they only exist to show how multiculturism in this country has failed.
Nearby house prices will fall, crime and litter will increase, incidents of antisocial behaviour and the fear of crime will be on the rise.Councilors please do not place these sites near to residential properties. Travellers do not intragrate into society any suggestion that they do is yet another lie. Please do not place this site near any residential council tax payers.

Reply Posted by rob on Monday August 6 2012 at 21:21
Weve already got them in darfield and we dont want anymore does anyone know where all the councilors live i bet its not darfield or carlton.il go look at the plans on friday i wonder if anyone from the council will be there

Reply Posted by Tracey Butters on Saturday August 11 2012 at 21:27
I say rather than mine and my landlords garden (behind the old filling station) build them a site at Cannon Hall or Wentworth Castle!

Reply Posted by Richard on Monday August 6 2012 at 21:30
@lesley. Its got nothing to do with the media.it's real life experience..oh there not Gypsies. Why bring racial hatred into it? Are you trying to start somthing?

Reply Posted by Andy on Monday August 6 2012 at 22:00
@lesley... Lesley Im sorry but I do speak from personal experience. Ive seen all too well the mess and massive amounts of litter travellers left just off Tank Row last year. Every time they stop Barnsley Council has to apply for a court order requiring them to quit the site.Please do not play the 'race card' Im more than happy to welcome people who wish to come to this country and intergrate.There are no true gypsies any longer, they have evolved into scrap metal merchants not paying tax and con men quoting extortionate prices to unsuspecting folk for poor quality work, Ask Barnsley trading standards how many complaints they have had in relation to them. They refuse to pay council tax and only conform to benefit handouts. please do not play the race card.

Reply Posted by james on Wednesday August 15 2012 at 22:24
i find your comments full of hate , there is plenty of rubbish in your back gardens and back streets , and if you ever hold a huge event iv never seen so much litter in my life , andy , if this was another race your was talking about you would be i big trouble in little china and as for true gipsys i am one ,and have a huge family , we have been ion this country for hundreds of years , we dont need to intergrate , we are probebly more english than you are , and as for trading standads , your type of people are perfect , they dont rob banks , they dont stab people , dont rob people at cash pionts and batter old people to death , i think you need to look on your own doorstep befor you say anything about another race , and most of the people who are doing bad work on not gipsys ,

Reply Posted by J on Thursday August 16 2012 at 15:11
Hate to dissiliusion you Andy - there are thousands of true Romany - but most of us are settled now and in houses - our children are educated and work in all professions - doctors - nurses - prison officers - police - armed services - accountants - university lecturers - authors - cancer researchers - sportsmen and women - lawyers - barristers - usiness men and women - the list is endless - They live in anything from a mobile home to a mansion - the ones on the roads are mainly Irish and new travellers - so please don't associate or mix up true Romany with them please - many of us learned long ago to integrate into the villages - small towns - cities -

I don't live in your area - but I know what some of them can do and we do not want to be associated with them - our ways aren't theirs and never were and never will be

Reply Posted by danielle on Monday August 6 2012 at 22:21
ye why not bring travellers closer ? errr no!!! and before anyone goes ranting i know that we have criminals and thieves and whatever other low lifes in every community. and no not ALL gypsies are the same i sure? but the majority are! we dont react in this way for nothing.... lets put a gypsie and traveller site right on the lane where all main scrapyards and some garages are. where people have actually built their own buisnesses from scratch (which is not easy these days) and let them have free run of whatever they want and take whatever they want, which they do already but put them on the doorsteps of it and whats that?

Reply Posted by mick on Monday August 6 2012 at 23:44
Send em up CAWTHORNE where all the rich live .They will not do they will they. Just send em to working class areas because we cant afford to get the lawyers out

Reply Posted by tomie on Tuesday August 7 2012 at 08:47
Heres an idea, if they have to make 30 odd more pitches then why dont they just add a few more pitches to the traveller sites we already have rather than creating a new one???, sounds like common sense to me.

Reply Posted by TC on Tuesday August 7 2012 at 09:23
I would still really like to know why it's always Darfield, Stairfoot & Smithies. Why is Barnsley West never considered? Why are the local councillors not asking this question? I'm going to write & find out & I encourage others to do the same. You can email from here: http://www.writetothem.com/

Reply Posted by c on Tuesday August 7 2012 at 10:37
The land where the old filling station on Doncaster road is where 3 families live, one of them being the owner of the old filling station, what are the council going to do, a compulsory buying order? Darfield already has a gypsy site they don't need another!

Reply Posted by Wendy on Tuesday August 7 2012 at 10:41
I'm with you Freedom losing our green playing fields around these parts will be a crying shame !

Reply Posted by Carmen on Tuesday August 7 2012 at 11:42
Why are the plans at Wombwell library !!!, why is the meeting at Wombwell!!!, If this is a meeting concerning Darfield surely we should have the right to have the meeting in Darfiled, and not have to travel to wombwell. Can anyone tell me why the meeting is been held in Wombwell, call it cynical, but is it just to put people off going, bad enough it's held in the day, when workers can't go, never mind in another Village.

Reply Posted by Rubygloom on Wednesday August 8 2012 at 07:04
@lesley... Media Myths??? No, I saw it with my own eyes thank you! Travellers have got this reputation because of their own actions, not because other people are racist... As for your notion that 'trouble causes and racists' will visit the traveller sites to cause damage etc etc, you really aren't for real, they are the most intimidating places, I have had the displeasure of working near one in Sheffield, and even the CHILDREN are on guard at the gateway! So please get off your high horse, I bet you wouldn't want them setting up site in your back yard.
They drag areas down, because they just live in squalid conditions without a care for anyone, therefore most people do not want it near them, and rightly so!

Reply Posted by c on Wednesday August 8 2012 at 09:46
I agree with you Rubygloom, i remember when i lived on Springfield crescent at Darfield, Gypsies moved on to the football pitch at the end of the road, it was horrendous the state it was left in, metal, rubbish, nappies, human waste & needles. It was so scary to live there at the time. The Gypsy teenager riding quads up & down the street, running riot, abusive & stealing everything that wasn't nailed down. Darfield already has a gypsy community at the top & bottom of Darfield , one one the Ings the other just off saint Mary's road.

Reply Posted by FREEDOM on Wednesday August 8 2012 at 10:24
No disrespect towards our local gypsy folk but to put another in this area where they are proposing will de value the italian estate substantially. This is one of the nicest areas in darfield to be spoilt. There is lovely walking around this area which I do on a daily basis. If anyone thinks I will be walking around there with that to spoil it.I dont think so. I am sure I am not the only one going to be fighting to have this stopped in Darfield. Darfield use to be a local village for local people only. I have lived there all my life and hardly know anyone, Half of them cant even speak bloody English And to top my anger off I have heard about making the playing field into a housing estate. Where the hell is local people going to go, That field is not only used by football teams, its used by local people walking their dogs, kids playing, If this is removed for a housing estate Darfield will not be the same. Moan over!!

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Reply Posted by caz on Saturday August 11 2012 at 09:10
Why not have them in Cawthorne , Penistone, or Cannon Hall.... Plenty of space there..

Reply Posted by c on Saturday August 11 2012 at 09:23
Land too expensive :(

Reply Posted by dave on Saturday August 11 2012 at 10:02
Here we go again the stupid electrate are against the political correct idiots so lets call them far right racist biggots. If gypsies are human then let them behave like humans, don't go round taking out of peoples gardens and leaving the place like a war zone. Ever thought why they travel from one place to another, maybe its because they have become well known to the police so its good to move on to where your not known!!! The fact that we dont want them has nothing to do with racisum, but rather because of the way they live and the mess they leave behind. Are the council racist for moving the gypsies on every time they make a camp on industrial estates etc???

Reply Posted by K on Saturday August 11 2012 at 11:04
Every time they came in the shop I worked in the stole things ! The kids stole too and the parents defend them ! They are aggressive and rude ! My thoughts on the matter are pretty much the same as every one else. My big fat gypsy wedding shows the better bunch and would welcome some into our community but the ones that do come are vile creatures and and no respect from land, people, business and other residents ! And they wonder y the are unwelcome because ppl will tar them all with the same brush

Reply Posted by E on Saturday August 11 2012 at 14:48
I wondered how long it would be before Carlton was mentioned by the council, we have a super school that we did not want and now seems we will have a site for the gypsies, anything else the council would like to dump on us?. As far as I am aware there are no councillors living in Carlton,so I vote for them to move next to where the councillors live and let them put up with it. These meetings should be held where the proposed sites are so ppl can attend them and have their say so listen up Barnsley council

Reply Posted by D! on Saturday August 11 2012 at 17:19
My god, I just got out of Darfield in April, feels like a lottery win, just moving out of that dive!
But I must say that the old school are great, its this new generation that's vile

D

Reply Posted by shaun on Tuesday August 14 2012 at 16:57
If these Travellers were proper gypies.. I would not have a issue, but they ain't.. They are just a group of people who refuse to conform to the rules of the land. We should not be made to make space for them... We should be building affordable housing first......

Reply Posted by john james on Wednesday August 15 2012 at 10:24
scrap metal theft at a all time high so why not put a gypsie site next to all the major scrap yards in barnsley. sounds a great idea NOT. dear scrap men of barnsley would you like to give your scrap away for free. then why not have a gypsie site next door.

Reply Posted by james on Wednesday August 15 2012 at 22:11
hi there john , i surpose your kind of people dont steal to they , and dont rob banks and beat up old people for the money , no your race is perfect ,

Reply Posted by J on Thursday August 16 2012 at 15:24
at least the Romany don't rob the cemetaries and war monuments of metal - we are happy to leave that to non-Romany - our girls aren't drunk on the pavements every night with legs spread wearing next to nothing - the boys don't mug old people - shall I go on

Reply Posted by chris on Wednesday August 15 2012 at 10:32
i have nothing against gypsies they make brilliant tv. but i wouldnt want them too close to my back garden the site would be 100 yards away from poor peoples houses im sure that they would be more suitable else where. its ok mr thackray selling land at carlton when he lives in a big house in monkbretton or thailand.

Reply Posted by Paul on Wednesday August 15 2012 at 19:45
According to the 2001 senses Barnsley had a population of around 250,000 a very rough guess would have seen the population rise by between 10% and 20% since then so lets go on the high at 300,0000... compared to most other towns and cities we are still tiny so WHY do we have to provide 39 more sites? adding around a further 4000+ gypsies to the existing ones, I would like to know how many sites the sleepy hollows down south have to provide and how close is the nearest one to Mr Camerons house, I bet his children have never even met a gypsy let alone tried study in the same class as one, they're not all bad we know that but lets face it a lot of them are bordering on the unbelievable, I had one aged about 11 come into my shop and demand the use of the staff toilet as she "needed a fu**ing sh*t" as she put it! Don't get on the councils back over this because they've been backed into a corner, as a town we should stand upto those millionaires in the south and not allow this to happen. We are being exploited because we're seen as crappy pit town up north who matter not!!!

Reply Posted by james petulengro on Wednesday August 15 2012 at 21:53
Hi there . I have read most of your comments here on this site , I am shocked and horrified about your attitude,
firstly , there is no such thing as a gipsy , it’s a corruption of the word Egyptian , its Romany , not gipsy .
And for your information there sites that are being built are for you type of people , not Romany’s , as your lot have hippies that call there selves travellers , so the council are not providing sites for gipsy’s / Romany’s , as most have settled down and don’t travel .
its only your kind of people who are living in caravans saying they are gypsy’s , my advice is to you all is go clean your kitchens up , and go for walks as you spend far too much time on the computer , and looks to me most of the people here have far to much to say about others , look after your own lot , and as for people peeing in the streets , your youth have no respect as they go out and show everything they have to offer and bed hop like there is no tomorrow , teach your children some morals , and mind your own business , love and light to you all .

Reply Posted by Sharon mackenzie on Thursday August 16 2012 at 02:09
I had to write a comment as I found what all of you had written was hilarious ..I am a true Romany gypsy as you call it, and I've never travelled in my life, I've always been in the one area and have now lived in my own house for years. I don't live in a council house as many of you people do, I pay my mortgage and have always paid my bills.. We are not associated to the travellers on the Big Fat Gypsy wedding and lead totally different lives to what they do..as we are a totally different type of gypsy.. There are many different types of travellers but you always bunch us all together and tar us with the same brush.. Your comments make me laugh you talk about us not mixing with society, have you ever thought that we don't do that because we don't want our children mixing with people who have no morals, you don't see our children pregnant before marriage, nor do we have rapists, pedophiles, hookers or drugs addicts among our people.. We are taught to work hard for a living not stand in a dole cue..before you all start throwing comments around you should firstly take the time to get your facts right, and also realise there are many different races among our people, and we find it very upsetting to read comments that hold no bearing to us, all because you can't be bothered to fact find first.. I'm embarrassed that a nation as great as ours holds so many ignorant people in it that claim to be smart and intelligent.. We would never leave comments about people without finding out the facts first, as we wouldn't want to embarrass ourselves... Just as theirs good and bad among gypsys , there's also good and bad among non gypsys , yet you forget about that when you write your ridiculous comments about us... Instead of spending so much time gossiping and writing unkind things about people that are hurtful. Why not put your time to use doing something good for others .. You have men, woman and children among your own kind that are starving and homeless.. Why not put yourself to good use and try and help feed and home them. One thing that can be said about us is we would give our last penny to anyone that needed it.. We go out of our way to help people and I mean your people as well as our own.. Can you say that ? while you sit around trying to wreck the chance of people to trying to get a stable and permanent home? What if it was YOU without a place to lay your head at night? Would you be happy seeing people trying to stop you getting a place to live? You should all be ashamed of yourselfs.. So next time you leave a comment, make sure you find out who your talking about, as we are all different.. So don't label us all with the same brush...

Reply Posted by Gypsy cooper on Thursday August 16 2012 at 14:34
Well said Sharon,couldnt have put it better.Shame people dont do research first.

Reply Posted by Sharon Mackenzie on Thursday August 16 2012 at 02:24
I just wanted to add to my earlier post by saying, I and my family have many, many
Non gypsy friends. I'm even married to one.. and never in all my days have any of them ever said anything derogative about me or my life style. My children go to school and have best friends and sleepovers just the same as your kids do... We are NOT bad people, only ignorant bigoted people that don't give thereselves the chance to no us think like all you do who have left unkind hurtful comments on here...

Reply Posted by Andrea on Thursday August 16 2012 at 09:53
I've only lived in Barnsley for a short period of time and never had a negative view of gypsies until I moved next door to couple who live in their own home . They have no respect for private property and think fists are ways to solve problems. I've even been told by them when asked to please stop parking on my drive." do you know who we are"? . They use the fact that they are travellers to bully the community around them if you dare confront them. I am sure they are not all like this and want to live peaceful in the community like most people do but my first and only impression of gypsies ain't good . I feel bullied, my children feel under threat and all we want to do is live a quiet life .

Reply Posted by gypsy cooper on Thursday August 16 2012 at 14:30
Can any of you tell the difference between romanichal Gypsys and travellers???Gypsys are nomadic and have lived in this country since 1100,travellers have not.Do some research at least people before tarnishing everyone with the same brush.I could say you go out every friday get drunk and end up in the nick for being to d.a.d.But i dont because you are not all like the hooded teenage chavis that think asbo is a goo title to have.

Reply Posted by Sharon Mackenzie on Friday August 17 2012 at 15:36
It's very unfortune Andrea that your first impressions of a traveller was so horrible.. No one should be made to feel under threat in there own home as that is so wrong.. That's why I stress the difference between us all as my generation of ppl would never do that we are all peaceable ppl as tend to keep to ourself... Like I said before there's good and bad in both your people and and gypsy ppl , the lady that works for me who is a non gypsy had a very abusive marriage and felt threatened in her own home so you see it works both ways.. All I would say to you is to be open minded like we have to be, as we are discriminated against constantly and have been for generations before we even open our mouths and you get to no us.. And that could make us where we don't trust anybody and tar you all with same brush, yet we DON'T as we no there are many nice ppl out there that do trust us after taking the time to get to no us. It's just all those other ignorant ppl out there that don't bother, or take the time to get there facts right.. I really hope you get sorted with your neighbours. Report them and don't let them get away with threatening you. As if you let them they will keep doing it.....

Reply Posted by Sharon Mackenzie on Friday August 17 2012 at 15:54
Everyone uses the word GYPSY to label us all which is very unfair as there are many different creeds among us and just like non gypsys don't like being associated with dead beats and scrounges , us romanichel Gypsys do not like being associated to them amongst us that theive, threaten, leave rubbish everywhere, don't wash, don't send there children to school ect... Do you get where I am coming from...... Do not tar us all with the same brush.. If our girls had dared to dress like those on Big fat gypsy wedding, our parents would have gone CRAZY... And GRABBING... What's that? Id never heard of it until I watched that show.... Those ppl may be allowed to act out that way but my ppl would Never do anything like that...... For such a smart population you really should do your research on us and find out the different races and creeds . As if we didn't do that with your ppl and treated you all the same as some of the low life scum that you have in your population you wouldn't like it would you ??? Hurts doesn't it what I've just said? Well that's how you make me feel most of my life, when you tar me with the same brush . So please in future think before you speak as we aren't all the same, so what you say hurts us ok.. Thank you..

Reply Posted by Rob G on Monday August 20 2012 at 11:47
I'm sure that not all travellers are a problem, but its the ones that are causing trouble that make a bad name for the rest. In terms of human rights, the site at Carlton is right next to the active railway and several very large scrap/breakers yards and don't forget the land proposed has already been deemed as contaminated by the council and has been used as a DTS dumping ground for several years after the sites historic use as the Wharncliff Woodmoor Coal Mine. In my opinion this is a hazardous area, regardless of how much the council is willing to 'process' the land, it is still unsuitable for habitation. Have you ever tried sleeping next to a train line in a caravan? I don't think this would be seen as generous proposal from a traveller perspective. Developing families need facilities, access to shops, security, none of which will be provided at the Carlton site, thus Darfield sounds like the way forward!

Reply Posted by RG on Monday August 20 2012 at 11:59
Since the proposed site at Carlton is close to several large residential developments, what is the council going to do to compensate the current homeowners for the value they will lose when eventually selling their homes. Regardless of who you are, even Barnsley MP's would think twice about buying a house next to or in the proximity of a traveller settlement. Honestly, if this does go ahead, I will be selling my home prior to the site being completed. I've already had badges taken off my cars on my drive, hanging baskets stolen, gates stolen and that's before the large site goes in. I doubt this appeal will have any affect, as there is already an illegal settlement of 2-6 caravans across the road in an alotment and the council have done nothing to move them on. What an absolute mess this country is turning into.

Reply Posted by Amadine on Friday September 7 2012 at 20:45
Amanda theres no gurantee that the proposed site will be as u put it nice ROMANCHEL gypsys ,unfortunately the only travellers we have had thro are villages have been thieves,scruffy ,untrained traders of tree felling ,scrap merchants,or roofers with vans sign wrote with mobile numbers ,leaving behind a trail of destruction of filth and ruined land . the site proposed is not fit for human residence it has methane deposits, arsenic, close to a live railway line, and has a covenant on it that it should never be built on due to the poisons on it ,it should meet 8 criteria and it cant meet 1 , the land has had soil test done and his definately unstable land due to the pockets of methane gas,i dont care what i was nobody should be told that land is safe. Also going to a preivious comment the traveller who has pitched himself on a allotment ,also has now been dumping rubbish on land at the wharncliffe so all u romanys ,and travellers take yourself a ride down carlton then u might agree to y people are so upset over this proposed site , infact seen has u all speak highly go tell him to stop dumping and feed his poor horses hes dumped in the field ILLEGALLY , BUT hey ONE RULE FOR ONE

Reply Posted by Mike on Monday November 12 2012 at 21:15
I have experience stretching back 50 years of gypsies/travellers, non of the experiences have been good ones. When I was 8 years old a friend and I were trapped in the quarry (filled in now behind Oakes Crescent near Kendray) by Gypsy kids who stoned us from above and ripped our clothes, they were like feral dogs urging each other to escalate the violence - only a passing miner saved us. When I was 10 years old I worked on Barnsley market and was involved in a fight with a gypsy thief, I was triumphant - then others gypsies arrived including adults who held me while the loser kicked and punched me so bad I was hardly recognisable. A few years later gypsies arrived and tipped used tarmac on my drive while I was at work, they told my wife that I had asked them to do it. They demanded money before doing anything else and intimidated her so much she fled to a neighbours house, I arrived and another fight ensued - I was rescued when my huge neighbour (Adrian P) intervened. Later still I was robbed (twice) by gypsies ( they stole 6 x 18' long 6x6 universal girders for a fire-escape and other stuff) to the tune of £3000. They were seen taking the stuff and were traced to Wakefield's notorious gypsy camp, Police were called but would not enter the notorious camp because of the threat of violence. On another occasion I was cycling with my son (now a teacher in Barnsley) past a gypsy camp and suddenly ambushed by gypsy kids who threw huge bricks one of which buckled a wheel, we were lucky to avoid serious injury.
Now add the irrefutable proof of the experiences of others (that I know personally) of the activities of these itinerant types and again it is all bad. Here's a couple of incidents; A friend, owner of a small engineering company (and father of a respected Wakefield councillor) had his Ford Transit stolen by gypsies from Rotherham, he had his keys virtually ripped from his hands by a passenger of a car traced to a gypsy camp. The police investigated but even though they were interviewed and identified there were no arrests! Poor Mr (MS) never got his vehicle back. Another friends wife paid £400 for a gypsy to get the materials for a job (similar scam of he's been asked to do it) - of course he never came back. In Leeds (Gelded Road area) they were driven off land leaving behind such filth that the council workers used masks to clear the debris, The gypsies then broke into the nearby British Oxygen Co and pulled in their entire camp - they completely stripped and vandalised the entire site. For those who good natures and cosseted existence leads them towards disbelief. Please!! I watched them do it.
There are lots of others examples. Add that to the huge amount of scams, thievery, intimidation and fly tipping that is prevalent near every location ever used by these whose inbred natures are traditionally inclined towards crime and low moral standards and you have an indication of what to expect.

I have also travelled extensively in England (not in a caravan) and see everywhere the filth left behind by the ones that still do roam around our country. They move on when conditions get too insanitary even for themselves leaving behind the unmistakeable signs of their mostly illegal and always unwelcome tenancy, gas bottles, fridges, tree cuttings, plastic guttering and discarded bags of the rubbish they could be bothered to bag whilst leaving the majority that they couldn't be bothered to bag to be widely distributed by the wind.

These people are used to defecating on their own doorsteps and then moving on, they have a callous disregard for everyone but themselves. If you make them 'static' what the hell do you expect to get?

I live on Weetshaw lane, when I wanted to add a bedroom to my home so that my son could come to live with me planning permission was refused.
So please do us all the honour of advancing these time proved parasites the same consideration.

As for saying that the Government demands it, what a disingenuous excuse! your responsibility is to us! Local government! 'Local' being the operative term get it? And besides Governments are like buses - wait a bit and another one will be along in a minute.
Let travellers and gypsies go do what they say they love doing, Travel!
For goodness sake don't let them put down roots! It will lead to an infestation far worse than Himalayan Balsam. Ask those who live near such places.

PS Just got home, the Anvil (a real one) outside my home as a garden feature as been nicked, so.. its started already.

Reply Posted by Jill on Sunday October 20 2013 at 22:30
I'm definately one of the NIMBY ones with regard to this issue- why do "we" have to provide these pitches? I do not understand the need to provide these sites- it has been shown that these "travellers" will down stakes where ever they wish- whether or not they own the land and then cannot be removed except at a huge cost to - yep you guessed it- the good old tax paying suckers. I have seen a super parcel of land I would like to live on- unfortunately the Queen already lives there- but does she really need all those rooms ?. Come on travellers we expect only one thing of you- to travel- keep it up.